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ToGiveDivine -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 2:40:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Star Trek? Again!?

Maybe its better just to give in and "assimilate"......... can you get anoraks in UK size 12 though?

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Hey, my Star Trek theory is just as good as any other theory in this thread - in fact, it's actually better than some theories that have been posted so far.

It's not the Klingons, they have no finesse and it's not the ferengie as they would have to have some profit motivation.

The Romulan are smart, like Vulcans, they could make the whole thing happen and make it look like OBL did it.

Hey, maybe OBL is Romulan - has anyone ever seen his ears????




LadyEllen -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 2:44:28 PM)

Hmmm TGD - you may be on to something there. Maybe thats the reason for the head dresses and burkhas and all that?

Set phasers to fun

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ToGiveDivine -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 2:45:54 PM)

Okay, officially we are all dorks - ROFL




LadyEllen -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 3:07:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

Okay, officially we are all dorks - ROFL


I wanna be an elf though!





Rule -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 4:27:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
I'm not so sure that evil has a function in society

Evolution theory requires it.
 
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

we flock together and then want to do one another down?

Quite: we flock.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
A plot, if that it be, on the scale of 9/11 though is just too much for me to accept.

I know you a bit, I believe. I refuse to believe that your mind cannot conceive of a plot on such a scale.
 
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I cannot see why a plot on that sort of scale would be needed to achieve the ends desired (such as we know them so far, if we attribute subsequent actions to the plot).

Evil shuns the light of day. What better cover than to commit a crime and do it in such a way as to suggest that it is the result of a series of coincidences?
 
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Surely a more effective strategy would have been to destroy congress whilst in session,

Then the population would know who are evil and would be unruly. Saddam destroyed democracy in Iraq by doing that very thing. Besides: every member of congress is part of the conspiracy. The USA is a one party state. Why murder your loyal supporters in Congress - whether democrat or republican?
 
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

and cause all power to go the Whitehouse for long enough to do far more, far more quickly, in a national emergency from which total power could be derived in a chaotic situation which could be kept going for as long as needed, or even forever?

Seems to me that is already happening, isn't it?
 
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

It could equally have been blamed on Islamist terrorists, striking at the heart of US democracy and government?

There are a few crazy islamic people. We know, though, who supports them: Saudi Arabia and Iran. The rulers of Saudi Arabia are friends of the family Bush, and the ayatollahs in Iran were put in power by France and the USA. So who is ultimately responsible for the creation and existence those few mind-fucked, crazy, islamic people? The USA and its non-islamic allies.
The best lie is the biggest lie.




sissifytoserve -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 5:06:09 PM)

People shift into mindless group-think when leaders present them with an outside "enemy" wether real or promulgated.

The US creation "al Qaida" was the perfect ruse.

The government used thye "attack"...like a fine tool to get what they wanted.

Outlined in the PNAC (Project for a new American Century) document.

Totally planned and pulled off with Military precsision. A perfect psychological attack on the the American mind.

Kind of like hitting a beehive with a baseball bat.....only..when the bees came out....father government was there
saying..."Look....there is your enemy!" Go get them!!

Next thing you know.....

Get them damn A-rabs...we know how dirty they are!!! Some guy in a cave planned all of this.
You are either with us or with the terrorists. Don't you dare question!!

I remember the first year after 9-11. It was truly like Nazi germany.

Police and military everywhere.


.....while the border stayed wide open.



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Kaledorus -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 5:13:02 PM)

After the tragedy in OKC Bill Clinton presented to Congress, within a day or so, a several thousand page antiterrorism bill, which almost nobody read before they voted for it.
That was 1995. Nothing has changed except the speed with which the Demopublicans are creating the police state. 




mnottertail -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 5:14:30 PM)

I will steadfastly support about half of what you say here, but am unable to go the whole hog; as I am oft wont to quote:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
This much is certainly true, but I am unable to see any hardcore evidence of an adminstration promulgated conspiricy in the WTC drops.  I will not say yet that there isn't one, I am wading thru  the sites provided  me, but the chief  complaint about these  sites is that many --- and you fuckin' A I am going to say it-- tin foil hat wearing fuckwads--- are poised prominently throughout these sites that you have to spend the greatest portion of your time, scouring through them  to find cold hard fact.
So, it is far to early to take a wait and see attitude, as it were.
Ron





sissifytoserve -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 5:23:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kaledorus

After the tragedy in OKC Bill Clinton presented to Congress, within a day or so, a several thousand page antiterrorism bill, which almost nobody read before they voted for it.
That was 1995. Nothing has changed except the speed with which the Demopublicans are creating the police state.


Very astute.

Couldn't have said it better.


And after each event, they take more and more of our rights away.


Frog in the pot of water slowly brought to boil.




Real0ne -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 6:13:36 PM)

havent found that pic yet but i have found these

i circled what i felt looked a bit out of place on this one.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/cuts0031.jpg

8 ton beam bent in a horseshoe with virtually no cracking.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/h8tonhbeam002.jpg

Melted blobs of iron.  Could jet fuel have done that when nist claims the temp from the jet fuel only reached 1/3 that of anealing?
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/ironmeltedintoconcrete002.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/ironmeltedintoconcrete.jpg




sissifytoserve -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 6:28:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

havent found that pic yet but i have found these

i circled what i felt looked a bit out of place on this one.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/cuts0031.jpg


Looks like a shape charge did that...look at the diagonal cut. Im no expert though.

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8 ton beam bent in a horseshoe with virtually no cracking.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/h8tonhbeam002.jpg


I don't think a Kerosene (Jet A) Fire did that.

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Melted blobs of iron. Could jet fuel have done that when nist claims the temp from the jet fuel only reached 1/3 that of anealing?
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/ironmeltedintoconcrete002.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/ironmeltedintoconcrete.jpg


I don't know what the hell that is.

I do remember seeing those NASA satellite Thermographs of ground zero.

....for WEEKS...not days after the event..the basements had molten pools of steel everywhere.

Seen from space.

A jet fuel fire couldn't have done that.





mnottertail -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 6:37:10 PM)

Yes the first link is like one I have seen, but this one is a box core, and not the H beam I saw  and that has absolutely been torch or plasma cut and not thermite cut, here is why; if we examine the dross (that is that grey looking stuff to anyone who looks at this picture). If we look at it in map directions note the rusty edges at the nnw and ssw corners, that is wet moisture rust, that has been cracked awhile.  No dross near it either.  Hard to say cause of the shadow but I see no irregularity on the west side, indicating to me that it was cut from the outside (west) towards the inside to the (east) note the curve under the upper (nnw) and continuing onto but not into the lower rusty part (ssw)... that angle is about 50-60 degrees downward as is the other side, on about the same plane, if I have aught for perspective. The red circle--  this is where I think  a beginning blowhole was made just to the west is another one and looking at the dross the guy running the hatchet came from the north around to  the east and looking at the nne corner he built up dross coming around the corner plugged the spray hole with dross and had to start again...Now your blue circled area.....we see the dross on the outside, once again supporting my opinion that he started either on the west side where the cracks were or the north side (more likely) and then the east side or part of it, did the west side (all the while whatever was cut off was being held in the air by a crane and tipped towards us.  and that is why the south cut is not level on its plane and dwindles toward the ssw corner since I see the cutter propped with one hand behind the north side and stretching in to cut the inside facing us, using the torch in his right hand (in all other cases he could use both hands and draw the hatchet towards him.....extend your left hand onto a door jamb and lean at about a 30 degree angle on it so that your right hand is in an open doorway, if you have a rather heavy rolling pin, or a typical 9 inch cast iron pan hold it in your right hand and draw an imaginary line horizontally in the air (swinging your wrist), you will readily see that you want to drop it as you  travel from left to right in your vision.  I would have expected to see at least baseball sized globs of dross (with alot of pencil sized or larger visible holes in it if it was thermited, since thermite creates oxygen.........nope, that was cut with the presence of a lot of noble gas.......not consistant with thermite reaction......either trust me or google this all out, but I believe you have run a gas hatchet havent you? You then know this to be true, whether they used acetylene or plasma (argon/acetylene/oxygen) that beam that is round............uh uh, that aint no beam, it was built that way at its installation.note the  inner and outer lip at the top no sign of inner or outer lip on the bottom, note also that  it  it has a top slope , but the  inner and outer circumfrences are perpendicular to each other and the structure.........fucker was built that way or the inner and outer edges would have went somewhat along the lines of the slope.  I would like to report that on both sides of the flap of metal in the foreground (I don't have a clue what the fuck that is) it can clearly be seen that it has been ground.  How come?  Who the fuck knows, but it don't look dastardly to me............

maybe more later.

Ron




sissifytoserve -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 6:41:43 PM)

We will never know...

The crime scene was taken away and shipped to (conveniently) to New jersey..then to China for scrap metal.

A crime scene removed AND sold to foreign nations.

Yup...that makes sense.

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Real0ne -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 6:48:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yes the first link is like one I have seen, but this one is a box core, and not the H beam I saw  and that has absolutely been torch or plasma cut and not thermite cut, here is why; if we examine the dross (that is that grey looking stuff to anyone who looks at this picture). If we look at it in map directions


is there something missing in your post here?

So you are saying they didnt blow thru it? they just slagged it on the surface?  Hmm?

i never cut anything that shitty as it is on top...  and why the ridge that is uncut and untwisted?

More on the molten core
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_cC37d5kOs&feature=PlayList&p=F6C5C0F6BFC2C0C5&index=3

then there is probability:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bi3SoCLJ0I&feature=PlayList&p=F6C5C0F6BFC2C0C5&index=1

can anyone tell me what would take a human body body and convert it to bone fragments that are less than a centimeter and toss them onto the buildings across the street?

Is everything an inexplicable mystery?

oh never mind about the uncut peice thats just a spacer welded on there





Sinergy -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 6:54:47 PM)

 
Hello A/all,

I may not have the quote verbatim, but...

"Wars are never determined by the people of one country or the other.  Wars are determined by the leaders of the country who then force the people of that country to fight them.  In the future, a better approach would be to put all the leaders of countries into a room and let them fight it out amongst themselves, and determine whoever survived as the winner of the war."

Erich Marie Remarque.  "All Quiet On The Western Front."

Sinergy




sissifytoserve -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 6:55:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


can anyone tell me what would take a human body body and convert it to bone fragments that are less than a centimeter and toss them onto the buildings across the street?

Is everything an inexplicable mystery?





Nope..just like the pulverized-to-dust concrete to MICRON level is caused by "A-rab Tuuuuuurists" not explosives.

right?

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sissifytoserve -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 6:56:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy


"Wars are never determined by the people of one country or the other. Wars are determined by the leaders of the country who then force the people of that country to fight them. In the future, a better approach would be to put all the leaders of countries into a room and let them fight it out amongst themselves, and determine whoever survived as the winner of the war."

Erich Marie Remarque. "All Quiet On The Western Front."

Sinergy


If the politicians had to fight the wars they are so fervently in favor of...all war would end.

Overnight.




Sinergy -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 6:59:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

We will never know...



That is the first time I have seen you state that you dont know something.

I have read your information.  I have read information which contradicts your information.

I personally think it is intellectually lazy to insist that my own predilictions suffice to prove extant reality, but that is just me and I could be wrong.

Sinergy




mnottertail -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 7:15:47 PM)

Forgive me, my friends,  computer is suffering some kind of malaise, but I got back in in time to finish some more of my post, it may make some more sense now.

Thanks all,

Bugs

But hey!!! guys, lets not call it iron, we have not used iron in structural steel since around the civil war in america, it is steel with vastly different properties.




sissifytoserve -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/31/2006 7:23:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy


That is the first time I have seen you state that you dont know something.


hmm..I disagree..but there is a first time for everything.

I CERTAINLY don't think those buildings were brought down by fire.

The evidence I SEE shows otherwise.

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I have read your information. I have read information which contradicts your information.


Just as I see information and facts that contradicts YOUR information.

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I personally think it is intellectually lazy to insist that my own predilictions suffice to prove extant reality, but that is just me and I could be wrong.


You might be. Personally...i think its ignorant to dismiss anomolies in the 9-11 story just because you really want to believe that "Them thar towelheads done it!".




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