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Rule -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/30/2006 8:04:32 PM)
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
I watched the video on prison planet talking about thermite and showing the corners of the building burning looking up from street level.to the left in the video (2:49 long) the smoke is white and in the vicinity of the faceted corner caps of the building (the they cut across the 90 degree of the corner at a 45 degree angle) the smoke is black and billowing about straight up, given that the wind at that level of the building (and no, in cities and in a sky scrapers vivinity winds are not homogenous throughout the erective) flows in a direction from right to left in the picture, overall.I can assure you that those faceted endcaps contained a huge amount of PVC coated, glass based fiber optic cables for that building and the black smoke is consistant with the burning of the PVC covering on the cable (and noxious as hell) and the yellow glop running down the corner is consistent with melting glass...........no mystery there. Some of those cables in that chaseway were 6 or 8 inches in diameter alot of brokerage boiler rooms in them buildings and high speed computer gear and whatnot. Awesome to look down some of those chaseways....you should see some of them on Pearl and Wall Street---- I (ahem) have very specialized knowledge of the old NYNEX company and its cabling, trunking, switching and central offices, and more. Not gonna claim to be an expert, though -- so some of you can put away the scimitars, and go back to the samovars, K? Now I have dabbled for about 10 years of my life in the metallurgical arts and therefore whatever cold fusion knowledge the shit for brains that got kicked out of BYU possesses is worth about a gnats ass in terms of his metals nomenclature and is dismissed out of hand with extreme predjudice since he calls it iron in about the first paragraph and that is right up on my shit-list with heineous overstatement as is the term hermeticaly-sealed.
Seems like a good and admirable interpretation to me, mn. Well done. If we have seen the same images: I never took that corner fire as indicative of thermite (unless it was activated accidentally out of sequence). Your interpretation clears that up.
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
There was another site I visited, What really happened at the WTC (or something on that order) and saw a fireman in the foreground of the picture staning in front of one of the heavy cord I (or H if you prefer) beams, it disturbed me one flange (the left side of the H) was rusted at the top (indicating it had either seen air a long time or water) and the web (the crossbar of the H) and and one flange was at about a 50 or 60 degree angle to the horizontal and there was clearly cutting dross on it. OK, but upon further reflection, it can just as easily be postulated (since it was several days after the downfall) that it was cut with a plasma torch (that is what the cut appears absolutely like) with the web cut first and the foreground flange cut at the last away from the cutter to aid in digging and manueverability at the site (had you boys goin' for a second there, didn't I ?) The cut by thermite would have been raucious and would have left much much more dross in large globs as opposed to overlapping and steady rivens.
I do not quite get everything that you say here - must be language problems. Anyway, the image that I found convincing in one of those video's was that of a beam dropping with one end hot and smoking when one of the towers collapsed. Then also there were the pools of molten and hot metal that were found in the pit weeks or months after the collapse.
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
The rust covering the cores is red and fuzzy moisture rust, as opposed to black and pitted heat rust.
So, no conspiracy evidence there, though it proports to be so at that site.
But, I am willing to hold my self-admittedly non-expert opinion in abeyance in this matter (that's right folks, Jack-of-all-trades, Master of none (this includes my personal sex life for any of you hawt babes who want a cerebral fucking)) if the following can be answered to my satisfaction: first we must pre-suppose a stipulation, and that is that one core cut would not cave the building, so several thermite charges have been set, what possible mechanisms would set them off (fuck a bunch of radios I get that), I am talking fuzes..........how would you account for the many NYC building inspectors, building maintenance, janitorial staff, repairmen--- ad nauseam (to say nothing of the interested and incessantly nosy tourists of NYC architecture that have been on tours throughout those buildings) having never discovering these carefully placed and admittedly larger than a deck of playing card sized (by several scales of mass) thermite bombs?
There have been a lot of weird things that occurred in the WTC towers in the three weeks prior to 9/11, such as the guards changing the length of their shift, an unusual powerdown that disabled the electric locks on all doors in the towers, a host of 'engineers' that swarmed through the towers, the withdrawal of the bomb sniffing dogs. The core supports were not accessible to the public, many floors were not occupied, or only partly occupied, a lot of offices must have been not occupied during the nights and guards may have been able to give the demolition teams access to them. Thus there was plenty of opportunity and time to put the explosives in place in the weeks prior to 9/11.
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
I will look at some more of these sites you have so kindly provided Rule, but as yet, no reason to believe the gist of the conspiracy........
Except for the site quoted in post 131 I did not provide any sites. (Actually RealOne was the first to supply that site.)
Thank you for your post, mnottertail. You have enlarged my knowledge.
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
You win.
*sigh* So typically American / competitive.
I am not interested in winning, Sinergy. I am interested in an honest discussion with appropriate facts and arguments. I am interested in the probabilities that alleged facts are true.
I thought your thermate hypothesis interesting, but as far as I recall that has been your only significant contribution to this thread. Everything else has been disinformation or plain wrong.
Now take mnottertail: his arguments do impress me. He observes and analyzes and thinks. What is even more impressive: he makes me think and teaches me.
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