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gooddogbenji -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 10:32:34 AM)

On the topic of monkeyboy (As discussing the rest seems futile, the well behaved right wing has yet to post facts)

In the interest of PC, could we not agree on "Differently evolved simian entity?"  Because really, calling him "dumb as shit but not as pretty" does make him look a bit bad.

Yours,


benji




ToGiveDivine -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 10:34:30 AM)

FAST REPLY:

Both parties have baggage they need to lose on their extremes and the leaders of these parties need to stop talking to us like we're morons that believe all the smarmy crap they say.  Nancy Pelosi, in a news conference after a conversation with Bush, said she was willing to work to him in order get Washington working in the right direction.  Then she added, "for the kids" - man, I hate that crap.  It's all pandering for the cameras and just makes me feel that everything she said before that statement was as much bullshit as those last 3 words.

I always have to remind myself that these "leaders" are still politicians and that politics will always trump policy.  Even though Bush has been a management disaster, at least he stuck to his priniciples (no matter how misguided) and didn't live off poll data.  If all your decisions as a leader are dependent on what the polls say, then you aren't leading, you are only reacting.

If we could get four more powerful political parties, then they would actually have to accomplish something or they wouldn't have the power to control the elections.  Oh well, so much for happy thoughts




FirmhandKY -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 10:58:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I repeat... I find your posts juvenile... and if you consider that name calling, you are the one that started it... if it is name calling for me to repeat your words back to you, well there you are...



Then, I guess, the adult thing would be to back off and leave us "idjiots", "rightwing whackjobs" and "enema flushes" alone in this thread, ya think? [:D]

It seems like you are too emotionally invested in the whole thing. 

WWSD?  (In case your not familiar with WWJD, the "S" stands for Sinergy in this application).

FirmKY


If you are an evangelical corrupt republican that held office, yes that enema comment includes you.

BTW People who insult others in a passive aggressive manner and then claim complete innocence after the fact are what I call dishonest.
 
I will post where ever I like BTW, and there is not much you can do about that other than block me. And yes, people who call my Dominant immature while they pretend to be somehow morally superior to us lesser mortals will get back a little of what they dish out. If she can't stand the heat she shouldn't have come into the kitchen, perhaps she learned something about insulting people while pretending that she is better than the rest of us. I doubt she will though, because you are HER example, and do the same thing.

I have to say my Daddy was never rude to your submissive even when attacked by her, you turned around and attacked him too, then claim you didn't. I know it, you know it.. and that is good enough for me. Like I have said, I will keep my values as opposed to your so-called moral republican better than ones.



You know, julia, I can be pretty sarcastic and vile when it suits me.  As a matter of fact, I had a hilariously funny response to this post, but on reflection decided that you are obviously upset enough.

Why don't we just agree to disagree, and get back to the discussion, rather than taking potshots at each other?

FirmKY




philosophy -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 11:00:22 AM)

"Decorum and it's appreciation isn't always a strong point of many left of center people (exceptions noted), however they really do seem to really hate opposing viewpoints"
"I did not start this thread as an invitation to debate"

....and this is evidence of right wingers being open to debate and opposing viewpoints? Pot/kettle/black syndrome methinks.
The part of the post, where you state that right wingers are under-represented in these fora because they have jobs, and therefore imply that the left wingers are jobless no-nothings was sheer cowardice. You want to insult me, come right out and say it. The hypocrisy of implying insults whilst stating, "Most right of center posters seem to have better manners, in that name calling and juvenile displays of frustration and sarcasm isn't something that they like to get involved in for the most part." is blatant.
These are public fora, all can post and no-one is barred from participation unless they breach TOS...it is not a partisan issue who gets to be mannerless or not...your posts in this thread prove that.
 






gooddogbenji -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 11:01:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I repeat... I find your posts juvenile... and if you consider that name calling, you are the one that started it... if it is name calling for me to repeat your words back to you, well there you are...



Then, I guess, the adult thing would be to back off and leave us "idjiots", "rightwing whackjobs" and "enema flushes" alone in this thread, ya think? [:D]

It seems like you are too emotionally invested in the whole thing. 

WWSD?  (In case your not familiar with WWJD, the "S" stands for Sinergy in this application).

FirmKY


If you are an evangelical corrupt republican that held office, yes that enema comment includes you.

BTW People who insult others in a passive aggressive manner and then claim complete innocence after the fact are what I call dishonest.
 
I will post where ever I like BTW, and there is not much you can do about that other than block me. And yes, people who call my Dominant immature while they pretend to be somehow morally superior to us lesser mortals will get back a little of what they dish out. If she can't stand the heat she shouldn't have come into the kitchen, perhaps she learned something about insulting people while pretending that she is better than the rest of us. I doubt she will though, because you are HER example, and do the same thing.

I have to say my Daddy was never rude to your submissive even when attacked by her, you turned around and attacked him too, then claim you didn't. I know it, you know it.. and that is good enough for me. Like I have said, I will keep my values as opposed to your so-called moral republican better than ones.



You know, julia, I can be pretty sarcastic and vile when it suits me.  As a matter of fact, I had a hilariously funny response to this post, but on reflection decided that you are obviously upset enough.

Why don't we just agree to disagree, and get back to the discussion, rather than taking potshots at each other?

FirmKY


Cuz quoting the quote of a quoter quoting a quote, to quote a quote, is quite quizzical, to quiet your quota.

In other words, edit the damn quotes, people!

Yours,


benji

Edited to add:  Queer would have worked, too, but then Mike would have objected.




ToGiveDivine -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 11:09:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

"Decorum and it's appreciation isn't always a strong point of many left of center people (exceptions noted), however they really do seem to really hate opposing viewpoints"
"I did not start this thread as an invitation to debate"

....and this is evidence of right wingers being open to debate and opposing viewpoints? Pot/kettle/black syndrome methinks.
The part of the post, where you state that right wingers are under-represented in these fora because they have jobs, and therefore imply that the left wingers are jobless no-nothings was sheer cowardice. You want to insult me, come right out and say it. The hypocrisy of implying insults whilst stating, "Most right of center posters seem to have better manners, in that name calling and juvenile displays of frustration and sarcasm isn't something that they like to get involved in for the most part." is blatant.
These are public fora, all can post and no-one is barred from participation unless they breach TOS...it is not a partisan issue who gets to be mannerless or not...your posts in this thread prove that.



You're a baddy-bad-bad.  (Consider yourself insulted in the lamest manner I could come up with on the spur of the moment - glad I could be of assistance - ROFL)

Well, the thread was getting intense - it was time for stupid humor  ;-P




gooddogbenji -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 11:12:40 AM)

Baddy McBadderson.

Calling him a republican would actually be quite offensive, I feel.  No one wants to be called that.

Yours,


benji




UtopianRanger -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 11:18:08 AM)

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The problem is that republicans run toward a religious right whackjob base that seeks to bring about the end of days so that their bibical prophecy will be played out. These people are the snake handlers of this country and they are the only people that vote republican that can be counted on.. they control the conservative agenda.. Americans are just learning about these people, and to be honest, if the republicans do not distance themselves from the Evangelicals they will lose more elections.



I’m completely with you until I get to this paragraph. I think you and many others give the religious right way more credit than what’s due – They’re the weakest of pawns in the big scheme of things.    

I’ve touched on this before, but I’ll mention it again  : The neoconservative movement has taken advantage of what they consider to be, the weakest and most exploitable part of their republican voting bloc -  Their religious views.  

By infusing Bush with a sort of ''divinity'' and having the media exploit the virtues of faith-based issues, they set up all types of competing loyalty scenarios that force people to draw a line in the sand and examine their inner-most convictions and morality. It's the unmoral using morality as the ultimate form of deception and manipulation.  

Sure the religious right played/plays a part in the current administration…..but it’s not one of power. They’re thrown a bone from time to time for the purpose of maintaining their allegiance, but there’s no way any sector of thought that’s prone to such exploitation could ever achieve or maintain any true power. There's always something else behind the scene pulling strings  ; }



JMHO




 - R





ToGiveDivine -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 11:19:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Baddy McBadderson.

Calling him a republican would actually be quite offensive, I feel.  No one wants to be called that.

Yours,


benji


I want to be called that!!!!!   You are either with me or against me on that too  ;-P




philosophy -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 11:21:52 AM)

.......i quite fancy being called Badolphus the Bad..........at least it's not as big an insult as calling me English......lol




FirmhandKY -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 11:41:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I repeat... I find your posts juvenile... and if you consider that name calling, you are the one that started it... if it is name calling for me to repeat your words back to you, well there you are...



Then, I guess, the adult thing would be to back off and leave us "idjiots", "rightwing whackjobs" and "enema flushes" alone in this thread, ya think? [:D]

It seems like you are too emotionally invested in the whole thing. 

WWSD?  (In case your not familiar with WWJD, the "S" stands for Sinergy in this application).

FirmKY


If you are an evangelical corrupt republican that held office, yes that enema comment includes you.

BTW People who insult others in a passive aggressive manner and then claim complete innocence after the fact are what I call dishonest.
 
I will post where ever I like BTW, and there is not much you can do about that other than block me. And yes, people who call my Dominant immature while they pretend to be somehow morally superior to us lesser mortals will get back a little of what they dish out. If she can't stand the heat she shouldn't have come into the kitchen, perhaps she learned something about insulting people while pretending that she is better than the rest of us. I doubt she will though, because you are HER example, and do the same thing.

I have to say my Daddy was never rude to your submissive even when attacked by her, you turned around and attacked him too, then claim you didn't. I know it, you know it.. and that is good enough for me. Like I have said, I will keep my values as opposed to your so-called moral republican better than ones.



You know, julia, I can be pretty sarcastic and vile when it suits me.  As a matter of fact, I had a hilariously funny response to this post, but on reflection decided that you are obviously upset enough.

Why don't we just agree to disagree, and get back to the discussion, rather than taking potshots at each other?

FirmKY


Cuz quoting the quote of a quoter quoting a quote, to quote a quote, is quite quizzical, to quiet your quota.

In other words, edit the damn quotes, people!

Yours,


benji

Edited to add:  Queer would have worked, too, but then Mike would have objected.


Point take, benji.

I'll strive diligently to edit my quotes down to the bare minimum.

Ooops!  [:D]

FirmKY




mnottertail -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 11:44:03 AM)

Holy Christ, seems like we are developing a quorum if not a compromise.

Henry Clay






FirmhandKY -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 11:46:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

I’ve touched on this before, but I’ll mention it again  : The neoconservative movement has taken advantage of what they consider to be, the weakest and most exploitable part of their republican voting bloc -  Their religious views.  

By infusing Bush with a sort of ''divinity'' and having the media exploit the virtues of faith-based issues, they set up all types of competing loyalty scenarios that force people to draw a line in the sand and examine their inner-most convictions and morality. It's the unmoral using morality as the ultimate form of deception and manipulation.  

Sure the religious right played/plays a part in the current administration…..but it’s not one of power. They’re thrown a bone from time to time for the purpose of maintaining their allegiance, but there’s no way any sector of thought that’s prone to such exploitation could ever achieve or maintain any true power. There's always something else behind the scene pulling strings  ; }



I might argue with some of your phrasing, and it's inherent assumptions, but I can't argue about the final conclusion.

But I'd go even a bit further.  I don't think the Republican "powers that be" in DC simply throw a bone to the religious members of their party.  I think they do the same thing to the conservative members as well.

Sometimes "religious" and "conservative" are the same universe, but sometimes they aren't, either.

I think Bush truly does have a religious bent.  I just don't think he's much of a conservative, and much of his inner circle aren't even that.  Few Republican Congressmen are conservative, and many of the ones who were, were relected.

Which brings us back on topic.

FirmKY




FirmhandKY -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 11:49:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Holy Christ, seems like we are developing a quorum if not a compromise.

Henry Clay



ohhh ... I like Henry Clay!

I think, once the worst of the emotional tantrums get out of the way, there are some really smart and intelligent people here, on both sides of the equation.

FirmKY




servantforuse -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 11:51:45 AM)

If the Republicans had not rejected the conservative values they ran on in the first place, they would still have control of both the House and Senate. The conservative voters threw them out.




FirmhandKY -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 12:04:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

If the Republicans had not rejected the conservative values they ran on in the first place, they would still have control of both the House and Senate. The conservative voters threw them out.


I agree, and that sentiment is what started this entire thread.  If you follow the link in treasure's OP, it will lead you to a statement from Tom Coburn, a Republican Senator from OK (U.S. Senator Tom Coburn, M.D. (R-OK))

The money quote:

"This election does not show that voters have abandoned their belief in limited government; it shows that the Republican Party has abandoned them. In fact, these results represent the total failure of big government Republicanism."

I'm not familiar with Senator Coburn, but based on just this sentence, I'd vote for him.

FirmKY




UtopianRanger -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 12:13:45 PM)

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I think Bush truly does have a religious bent.  I just don't think he's much of a conservative, and much of his inner circle aren't even that.  Few Republican Congressmen are conservative, and many of the ones who were, were relected.


Sorry brother....I'm not one to believe that Bush is a deeply religious man like most have been led.. For me....Bush is about as religious as Tammy Faye Baker - I see it as nothing other than a tool for manipulation. And no one here can make such an argument that says Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice or Hadley are deeply religious people.


The rest I agree with you.



 - R




Sinergy -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 12:14:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

because he has some class and does not refer to him as fuckwad.....which I shall;
since I haven't an ounce of couth.

Ron


My mother taught me to give people the benefit of the doubt, losttreasure.

Sinergy




Sinergy -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 12:19:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

Even though Bush has been a management disaster, at least he stuck to his priniciples (no matter how misguided) and didn't live off poll data.  If all your decisions as a leader are dependent on what the polls say, then you aren't leading, you are only reacting.



Hello A/all

I completely disagree with this.  I think Monkeyboy spent all his time listening and pandering to the Religious Right element in the Republican party, which would qualify as reacting to what one learns by polling people about their issues.  The only difference is the sampling population.

One of his biggest problems he had, both in his administration and generally in life, is that he surrounded himself with yes-people and never listened to anybody who might offer him a different perspective on an issue.

A perfect example of this would be not listening to his military (aka the Generals) about what was involved in the Iraqi invasion.

Sinergy

p.s.  And I was able to write that entire post without commenting that if Monkeyboy listened to anybody, it was the voice inside his melon that calls itself "God." 




Sinergy -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 12:24:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

The part of the post, where you state that right wingers are under-represented in these fora because they have jobs, and therefore imply that the left wingers are jobless no-nothings was sheer cowardice.



Hello A/all,

I have a job as a highly paid union worker in one of the best unions in the country.  Sometimes I get 2-5 hour breaks in the middle of the day.  Some days I show up and get on the payroll and go home.  Some days I show up and work my ass off.

The latter days are few and far between.  I am learning how to pick the good jobs.

I once had a job as a system administrator for a web site.  I got to spend 8 hours every day building Linux servers and surfing the internet.  Whether I wanted to do this from 8 to 5 or 9pm till 5am was completely my own choice.

I once had a job where I had to wear a pager and be available to go on trouble calls at a moments notice.  I was paged 15 times in 18 months.  The rest of the time I taught martial arts and hung out with my kids or at the beach.

My ex-wife once asked me "How come you always get these jobs where you get paid a lot of money and dont have to do anything?"

I looked back at her and replied "Because Im smarter than you?"

Just me, probably wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy 




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