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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/14/2006 1:20:48 PM   
LovingKitten


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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

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ORIGINAL: LovingKitten

 My own personal experiences, though I too may be young in age, have led me to believe that some people will not tolerate a respectful difference in opinion.



There may be a difference in opinion at hand, but we don't know.  The OP has stelthily posted rather than giving us an example of what he's talking about.  Enough of us here have said we've not seen it here in the forums for this to make for interesting subject matter should it be unveiled.


Well, if you had read my entire response, Madame, then you would have seen that I was referring to the chatrooms here, rather than the forums. And what the majority of you have done is make references to his age, to his sex life, and to his experience in real life rather than the topic at hand. A simple question most usually deserves a simple answer, especially in this case.

But, as I have seen once again, people here feel the need to question motives, question age and experience whenever they are talking to someone in the lifestyle. I know that if you were to look at my profile one would assume that I only have a year of experience. I assure that is highly untrue, and in fact I have six years, though a few were against my will.

So experience and age out, why don't some of you just answer the question, instead of questioning him in return?

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/14/2006 5:45:32 PM   
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Some people thrive on drama and negativity. Their lives are not complete unless they have some problem or something to complain about. It has nothing to do if they are a Domme or not.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/14/2006 6:00:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CaptveDesre
Furthermore, when the rare submissive respectfully presents a differing opinion on this claim, he is pounced upon by the Domme and her... hm.. posse. Spoken to in a rude and callous tone due to his preference in actual thought rather than immediate, blind, and stupid submission.
Why is it that a submissive can not socially disagree with a Domme, in a chatroom or forum nonetheless; where tasteful and respectful ideas are intended to flow freely? Why is it one like this is frowned upon?


I certainly have seen posse-like behavior in the Collarme forums, with a pack of regular posters pursuing and rending a fledgling poster for unwittingly violating an unseen norm.  But I am not sure that it occurs in this particular forum anymore than on this site as a whole.

You have been registered in this forum longer than I, so I assume you have been reading it for a longer period of time. Perhaps you can mention a few examples which stand out in their unfairness?  If we have concrete examples, it might further the discussion.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/14/2006 6:35:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

Some people thrive on drama and negativity. Their lives are not complete unless they have some problem or something to complain about. It has nothing to do if they are a Domme or not.

Master Fire



Can I hear an AMEN for the wise words of the delegate from the Tarheel State!  I was trying to come up with concise words but Mater Fire beat me to it.  Superb.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/14/2006 6:37:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: razzberries

quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptveDesre
Furthermore, when the rare submissive respectfully presents a differing opinion on this claim, he is pounced upon by the Domme and her... hm.. posse. Spoken to in a rude and callous tone due to his preference in actual thought rather than immediate, blind, and stupid submission.
Why is it that a submissive can not socially disagree with a Domme, in a chatroom or forum nonetheless; where tasteful and respectful ideas are intended to flow freely? Why is it one like this is frowned upon?


I certainly have seen posse-like behavior in the Collarme forums, with a pack of regular posters pursuing and rending a fledgling poster for unwittingly violating an unseen norm.  But I am not sure that it occurs in this particular forum anymore than on this site as a whole.

You have been registered in this forum longer than I, so I assume you have been reading it for a longer period of time. Perhaps you can mention a few examples which stand out in their unfairness?  If we have concrete examples, it might further the discussion.


Unfortunately the specific event in question (and most all I've noticed) were located in the chatroom portion of the site.

I have -once or twice- seen similar occurances here on the forums, but at that time my mind was not on the priority of preserving links and specific quotes in the off chance I'd post later, as some in this thread (not you, please don't take offense) have expected of me.

I'm glad that there are others who have seen the same situations about, as some of the more negative posters here have swayed me to believe for a moment that I was the only witness to it.


To clarify though, to nobody in particular, my questions in the origional post wern't restricted to Dommes in chatrooms, in forums, or even merely online. In fact, I think its rather inappropriate behavior in any case, Domme or otherwise, to bestow lovins on the butt kissers before flip flopping in policital fashion to scream at them for kissing their butt so much. Not to mention giving the online equivalent of the finger to a submissive who's only fault was that he disagreed with her stance.

I dont doubt there are submissives with bratty attitudes and deserve the finger, so to speak. I only hope that the others can cast aside doubt that there are submissives who lack the bratty attitude and were given it nonetheless.


But if that is too hard, they could always go with the tried and trusted method of discrediting me because of my youth, or even making the assumption that I am undersexed. ;]


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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/14/2006 9:19:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CaptveDesre
In fact, I think its rather inappropriate behavior in any case, Domme or otherwise, to bestow lovins on the butt kissers before flip flopping in policital fashion to scream at them for kissing their butt so much.

I clipped this portion specifically because I feel this is the sum total of it.  It IS inappropriate ... whether in an online situation or real life ... and it does happen in both.  Sadly, I see this same behaviour in a corporate atmosphere ... equally inappropriate.  Let's face it, as one poster stated previously, there's always someone who likes the drama, who stirs the pot.  I quit trying to figure them out a long time ago; I shake my head & move on.  I think the important thing to take from it is to look at yourself with an honest eye & ensure your own actions & words are carried through in an upright manner.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/14/2006 10:51:17 PM   
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LotusSong,

Most male Subs say they had fantasies before puberty. I'm 21 now and I can remember having a pattern of daydreams about getting kidnapped going back to when I was about 6 or 7. It was only when I was about 13 or 14 and I found out what a strap-on was that they evolved into anything more.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 1:06:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Morrigel
.  I can see from the progression of your posts that you see this as yet another opportunity to suck someone into your narcissistic persecution complex.
-M



Ah but you started the bashing of me first.. Remember your line after my post..

Speak of the devil.....

So perhaps you could not aim posts at myself please or atleast mention my nic so atleast people know you have a hard time getting over peoples comments.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 2:29:29 AM   
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CaptveDesre,

Ah, I get it now.  

See, it's like this .. chatrooms are like bars (with loud music and lots of alcohol) and forums are more like library's (except the political threads which are more like war zones). I think the behavior of which you speak, at least that which is taking place in chatrooms, is often because people (regs) of the chatrooms tend to spend lots of time together, know one another in an RTS sort of way and there appears to be more opportunity for mob mentality to develop.

Most of those who are respectful on 'this' side of the fence don't get bashed in the manner you've observed even when they have a difference of opinion. There are, of course, exceptions.. but chatrooms and forums are completely different animals.

There are, of course, certain subjects which are going to bring out the worst in people because there is so much passion regarding them (fat threads, prodoms, definitions etc), but, by and large, the group here is fairly mature most of the time and I really think if you 'believe' you are seeing such behavior as a steady diet, perhaps you should try out some of the other forums or threads and just stay out of the chatrooms all together. Why be somewhere that makes you unhappy or uncomfortable?

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 5:16:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: imtempting
Ah but you started the bashing of me first.. Remember your line after my post..

Speak of the devil.....


I used the line because I was teasing you, hon.  You charge in to yell "SEE!  SHE'S TALKING ABOUT ME!  ME ME ME!!!"  every time someone says anything potentially negative about any male poster.  Provided he has self-identified as a submissive and behaved poorly on this forum.

You assume automatically that if someone is talking about poor forum behavior from a male submissive, that they MUST be talking about you.

I wonder why that is? 

Anyway, I realize I shouldn't bait this narcissistic delusion of yours, but honestly there are times that I just want to rub a little lemon juice in it.  There are some attitudes that bring out a sadistic streak in me.  This particular stripe of egotism--where someone assumes it is All About Them, All the Time--may have inspired a touch of my native cruelty.

I apologize for teasing, and I will not reply to your posts again.  Please TRY to assume in the future that if I'm referring to poor posting behavior, I am not talking about you--because I won't be.  I don't really remember any posts which were particularly unattractive, probably because I haven't been here long enough.  By the time I got here, you were already in Eating Worms Mode and singing "Everybody hates me, nobody likes me" because of posts you had made in the past--even to people (like me) who had no idea who you are.

--M

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 6:15:45 AM   
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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 7:15:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: imtempting

quote:

ORIGINAL: Morrigel
.  I can see from the progression of your posts that you see this as yet another opportunity to suck someone into your narcissistic persecution complex.
-M



Ah but you started the bashing of me first.. Remember your line after my post..

Speak of the devil.....

So perhaps you could not aim posts at myself please or atleast mention my nic so atleast people know you have a hard time getting over peoples comments.


Fuck....are you STILL going at it?  It's OT.  Take it private! 

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 7:41:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LovingKitten


So experience and age out, why don't some of you just answer the question, instead of questioning him in return?

   Some people would rather have someone agree with them instead of answering a question whose answer stems from actual experience.
 
After a time, we can see the "beginning" proposed..and we already know the "ending" of the story.  We have seen it played over and over again.
 
So simply accept the answers as we have had to accept the questions.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 10:30:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: LovingKitten


So experience and age out, why don't some of you just answer the question, instead of questioning him in return?

   Some people would rather have someone agree with them instead of answering a question whose answer stems from actual experience.
 
After a time, we can see the "beginning" proposed..and we already know the "ending" of the story.  We have seen it played over and over again.
 
So simply accept the answers as we have had to accept the questions.


Are you implying the answers to the question are:
-Im just 'too young' to 'get it'
-I don't have sex enough
-I've not yet had a long term Domme
?

And if so, you want me to just accept that?

Those have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, yet its all the drumbline keeps pounding at. Why is it too much to request that someone not psychoanalyze me to unveil some twisted motive for asking this question, and instead just provide a response that is based off a miniscule amount of logic and reasoning? It doesnt have to be an answer I enjoy, or even agree with. But it should at least make some sense.


And if I took your response the wrong way, please accept my apologies.


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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 11:02:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CaptveDesre


And if so, you want me to just accept that?



It's only one view.  I can see where you will just have to learn it on your own.  Experience is the best teacher. And where do you get experience?  Find someone of your own level of experience ad explore together.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 11:15:22 AM   
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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 12:33:09 PM   
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Well you did make a blanket statement inwhich if I did one you would of been all over myself. Think about it, its true.

At mispandora, maybe you should be directing your comment at morrigal as she was the one to make the blanket statement in this thread, not myself.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 1:07:57 PM   
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But but but........blankets are nice this time of year!

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 1:10:46 PM   
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But but but........blankets are nice this time of year!


I hear blankets are the new "coat" this year :)

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 3:00:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CaptveDesre
I'd like to begin this post by disclaiming some likely first impressions. I'm not writing to step on toes, to flame or troll, or because I am saddened by an empty inbox.

Why would a Domme take the position of a victim, who is constantly molested by a throng of submissive 'yesmen?' Males who have yet to mature to the stage of critical thought?
I should be clear here, my confusion doesn't rest in Dommes who display their distaste in these men. I feel that frustration. I feel their dead weight strapped to my ankles, preventing the repuation of a male submissive from reaching further than that of a pathetic worm (literally).
What does vex me is that this given Domme -and I refer to many that I have noticed- posts a self-promoting and mildly controversial tome of propaganda, rewarding the yes men (who jump at the chance to nod their head eagerly out of despiration) with attention and praise, only to turn around and speak sour about the type they choose to invite moments later.

Furthermore, when the rare submissive respectfully presents a differing opinion on this claim, he is pounced upon by the Domme and her... hm.. posse. Spoken to in a rude and callous tone due to his preference in actual thought rather than immediate, blind, and stupid submission.
Why is it that a submissive can not socially disagree with a Domme, in a chatroom or forum nonetheless; where tasteful and respectful ideas are intended to flow freely? Why is it one like this is frowned upon?

Is it wrong of me to consider this sort of dominant behavior and attitude silly and contradictory? Or should I shut up and nod like the rest of the sheep, next in line for her lambchop dinner rant?

I would also be interested to hear thoughts on the female submissive / male dominant dynamic as related to this subject, since I've noticed similar occurances and complaints.

Thank you sincerely for your time.



Captive Desire,
In my opinion, I'm not certain that what you've phrased as a question is anything more than a statement or series of opinions, veiled as questions.  That said, you've asked for answers to what you've claimed to be a question as quoted above, and in fact you've received many responses.  You've chosen to discount most, if not all of them.  In my view, at least some had merit that you could have chosen to at least acknowledge and could have thanked those who replied in some small way (who it would now appear that they perhaps have wasted their time in posting their responses to you), by at least offering to consider the validity of their responses and to ponder upon them.  I suspect your failure to do this is at the root of the problem you so loudly protest.
 
I've read your profile, and not to sound overly critical, but it reads "ME, ME, ME!" yet tells nothing about you or what you might have to offer a Domme.  I'd highly recommend that you re-think your profile and rewrite it to say something about yourself as a person as well as what you have to offer a Domme as a submissive, instead of just what you want from the Domme you'd like to meet. 
 
Now when thinking about Dommes in general, what is it that attracts you to them?  Is it not the fact that they indeed have opinions?  As a sub, do you not ultimately desire to submit to their decisions?  In no way am I suggesting that you should have no opinions of your own, only that the women of which you speak, are women whom you should expect to have very strong opinions which are likely to differ from your own!  When speaking to them, I suggest you learn to speak in terms of "in my experience, this is what I've found...", "it seems to me...", and "Based on my experience, my preference is..." as opposed to speaking in absolutes, black & white terms, or even worse: trying to win an argument with one at all costs.  Letting others know that you value their opinions, that their opinions have merit, are worthy of consideration, that they have given you a different viewpoint than you might otherwise ever have considered, or are something new that you'll have to spend time thinking about, are all things anyone will feel complimented to hear.  In saying any one of those things, you've still completely retained the right to keep your existing opinion and it has cost you nothing to validate the opinion of another person in the process!   You might find that taking such an approach will get you much further along toward reaching your ultimate goal and will pay dividends to you in other areas of your life as well.
 
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