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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 3:07:57 PM   
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You're a very attractive person, pixelslave.. and I'm not talking about your cute, little scruffy face here. One day, someone amazing is going to snatch you up and keep you forever. Others would do well to follow the example you set.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 6:42:28 PM   
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Hi CaptvDesre, I've seen the situation you describe and understand where you're coming from.  If I were you sweetie, I wouldn't let it bring you down.  There is always going to be habitual fault-finders.  Do NOT invest too much of your time pondering the reasons why.  Life is too short.     Pay them no mind.  Focus on people more like yourself and keep walking forward; it's the only thing you can do.    ps.  It's not a crime you didn't (yet) acknowledge those that offered you good advice--perhaps you were too busy defending yourself. ? If you did find some advice worthy of a thank you, I would, if I were you, be sure to do it at some point. Good luck    

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 10:24:45 PM   
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I think there is an inherent tension between being an independent person and being submissive.

I imagine for Dommes, too, there is a tension between wanting a submissive and valuing an individual's independance.

Like any relationship, though, a D/S relationship's success depends on how much the Domme and Sub put into it. With a proper amount of time, attention, caring, patience, and interest --- I think two people can get the nuances right.

In my D/S relationship, the D/S augments my connection to my Mistress. We have an independent relationship (two equals) and a D/S one underneath of it. There is a flavor of independence and sub/Domme flowing most of the time. In the end, we can each be ourselves with very little obstructive dogma and jargon attached to what is "us."

Next, if I strip my D/S relationship to the bone, I find two people who do want to spend time together. This is the real essential. The D/S just helps make it more extraordinary.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/15/2006 11:11:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
You're a very attractive person, pixelslave.. and I'm not talking about your cute, little scruffy face here. One day, someone amazing is going to snatch you up and keep you forever. Others would do well to follow the example you set.

Celeste


That's very kind and generous of you to say that Celeste!    And to think I thought I was flying just below the radar all this time!    

After reading your comments, I might have restless dreams tonight brought on by fears of being "snatched up" by some woman I've never met who might want to keep me forever!  Too bad I've never had a kidnapping fantasy!

- pixel

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/16/2006 1:13:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pixelslave

Captive Desire,
In my opinion, I'm not certain that what you've phrased as a question is anything more than a statement or series of opinions, veiled as questions.  That said, you've asked for answers to what you've claimed to be a question as quoted above, and in fact you've received many responses.  You've chosen to discount most, if not all of them.  In my view, at least some had merit that you could have chosen to at least acknowledge and could have thanked those who replied in some small way (who it would now appear that they perhaps have wasted their time in posting their responses to you), by at least offering to consider the validity of their responses and to ponder upon them.  I suspect your failure to do this is at the root of the problem you so loudly protest.


In my opinion I have. I apologize for not convincing you further, pixel. My deeper apologies go to the posters who have come forward with thoughtful responses, whom I have not all individually thanked. It seems to me, their answers bring abundant evidence to my question being a question. Some have answered it and even discussed it among others in turn, which was the entire intent of this thread. Many thanks to them.

My only defense would be to say I've spent that time instead defending myself and the thread's topic from a select few who are rather intent on derailing it. Why, I don't claim to know, but since this board is so very reliant upon evidence, I'll use a snippet of your last post, if that is alright:
 
quote:

ORIGINAL: pixelslave
I've read your profile, and not to sound overly critical, but it reads "ME, ME, ME!" yet tells nothing about you or what you might have to offer a Domme.  I'd highly recommend that you re-think your profile and rewrite it to say something about yourself as a person as well as what you have to offer a Domme as a submissive, instead of just what you want from the Domme you'd like to meet. 


I'm very pleased you took time from your writing to delve into my personal profile, though I can't say I'm as pleased knowing it was simply for the purpose of trying to lure me into some sort of side quarrel.
What does my profile have to do with this thread, pixel? Anything?
If you read it and have the taste that it was too much about me, I'd only say in response that I'm comforted. At last check, someone's profile is actually supposed to provide information about the respective person and their hopes, and I would be fearful of a profile written outside that understanding. But I digress, this is exactly the sort of bickering that I was spending so much time trying to arrest. My apologies... though I thank you, pixel, for providing me with an easy highlight on the issue.

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ORIGINAL: pixelslave
Now when thinking about Dommes in general, what is it that attracts you to them?  Is it not the fact that they indeed have opinions?  As a sub, do you not ultimately desire to submit to their decisions?  In no way am I suggesting that you should have no opinions of your own, only that the women of which you speak, are women whom you should expect to have very strong opinions which are likely to differ from your own!  When speaking to them, I suggest you learn to speak in terms of "in my experience, this is what I've found...", "it seems to me...", and "Based on my experience, my preference is..." as opposed to speaking in absolutes, black & white terms, or even worse: trying to win an argument with one at all costs.  Letting others know that you value their opinions, that their opinions have merit, are worthy of consideration, that they have given you a different viewpoint than you might otherwise ever have considered, or are something new that you'll have to spend time thinking about, are all things anyone will feel complimented to hear.  In saying any one of those things, you've still completely retained the right to keep your existing opinion and it has cost you nothing to validate the opinion of another person in the process!   You might find that taking such an approach will get you much further along toward reaching your ultimate goal and will pay dividends to you in other areas of your life as well.
 
 - pixel


I never supported the notion that others, Domme or not, were not entitled to an opinion. I've mentioned this often.
As a submissive, I ultimately desire to submit to one's decisions and opinions, not the entire lot. As can be seen in various mediums, there are partners both submissive and dominant that have unhealthy behaviors, and while I still respect their right to do as they wish, I respect myself enough to not subject my mind and body to every command and perspective that is brought to me. In my experience, this is not an unreasonable way to go about social life. However, it seems to me (again) that answering your questions about myself are not helping the thread's topic progress. My preference is to find common ground in cases where two ends won't meet...

Therefore, if a simple response to the topic at hand is too difficult because you feel my personal influence is involved, consider the scenario hypothetical, and respond in kind based on your experience, how it seems to you, and what your preferences are when encountered in a similar tight spot.

I do value your opinion pixel, I'm just patiently waiting to hear it as it pertains to the topic. Not about me.

Lets hope my dividends pay well this time. ^_^  <~~ (You even got me to add the all important smiley!)


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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/17/2006 9:41:23 AM   
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"little bante rooster subs" ????
Love it! Gonna use it!
Well said.



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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/17/2006 9:43:47 AM   
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FYI, and not at all smartass.

if you use it, it is properly:  Banty (Bantam)

Sincerely,
Ron(ne)

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/17/2006 2:50:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptveDesre

However, it seems to me (again) that answering your questions about myself are not helping the thread's topic progress.


The problem with the thread's topic, and any progress thereof, is that when your question is translated into plain English it reads thusly:

"Why are all dommes such hypocrites?"

Questions of this sort are called "beating the dog" questions.  They are phrased in such a way that no one can answer them directly without admitting some fault or crime.  E.g., "When did you stop beating your dog?"

I do not agree with you that a majority of dommes "gang up" on anyone who is polite in disagreement.  I do not agree with you that a majority of dommes are hypocrites who say they want one thing from a man and actually want another.  And I do not agree that the progress of this thread, if there is to be any, is best achieved by your refusal to describe your own experiences with this phenomenon explicitly.

This thread is very much about your perspective.  None of us have any reason to accept your perspective unless you give us evidence, which you refuse to do--not even evidence of an anecdotal, no-names-named variety.

Given this, we can only respond to a question like "When did you stop beating the dog?" with "Right after I was done giving my strap-on to the Pope."

--M

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/17/2006 3:47:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

The problem with the thread's topic, and any progress thereof, is that when your question is translated into plain English it reads thusly:

"Why are all dommes such hypocrites?"


Thats terribly untrue. The title of the thread specifies a singular: "Why would a Domme..?"
I've also mentioned in several posts since that this is not a generalized accusation. Im fully aware that the majority of Dommes do not act in this manner. I've talked to several before and after making the thread. Me inquiring why a certain Domme or group of Dommes would participate this way does not elevate my curiosity to brand everyone in that manner. I believe and hope my posts have shown that over the course of this discussion.

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ORIGINAL: Morrigel
I do not agree with you that a majority of dommes "gang up" on anyone who is polite in disagreement.  I do not agree with you that a majority of dommes are hypocrites who say they want one thing from a man and actually want another.  And I do not agree that the progress of this thread, if there is to be any, is best achieved by your refusal to describe your own experiences with this phenomenon explicitly.


Again, I never presented a claim -and never believed- that a majority of dommes gang up, or are hypocrites. My confusion continues to grow when posters again and again force their assumptions as my words or intent. Just as I said in the first post, Im not here to step on toes. I was faced with a situation that I observed more than enough to question its reasoning. I don't think that justifies a psychoanalysis of me to pick out quirks that would lead me to post what you and others believe is a troll post.


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ORIGINAL: Morrigel
None of us have any reason to accept your perspective unless you give us evidence, which you refuse to do--not even evidence of an anecdotal, no-names-named variety.


I touched on this in post #45. Here is a snippet, but I'd encourage a full read if you have the moment. This isn't refusal to provide evidence.

"Unfortunately the specific event in question (and most all I've noticed) were located in the chatroom portion of the site.

I have -once or twice- seen similar occurances here on the forums, but at that time my mind was not on the priority of preserving links and specific quotes in the off chance I'd post later, as some in this thread (not you, please don't take offense) have expected of me.

I'm glad that there are others who have seen the same situations about, as some of the more negative posters here have swayed me to believe for a moment that I was the only witness to it."


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ORIGINAL: Morrigel
Given this, we can only respond to a question like "When did you stop beating the dog?" with "Right after I was done giving my strap-on to the Pope."


Once again I feel compelled to disagree with you, Morrigel. You may dismiss this topic and its questions as a beating-the-dog post, perhaps because it does occur regularly on any forum or gathering.. I can see how, at first glance, this can be taken as such, but I can't say for sure.
All I can say is that the intent of this post was to merely gain a better understanding through other perspectives, and that a great deal of thought and writing went specifically into avoiding a "beating-the-dog" instance. You might not agree with me on this, and I apologize if that is the case.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/17/2006 4:02:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CaptveDesre

Me inquiring why a certain Domme or group of Dommes would participate this way does not elevate my curiosity to brand everyone in that manner.


Then I suppose you are, again, not really asking any question which requires an answer more sophisticated that "Because some people are assholes/idiots"?

You have reprimanded other posters for calling you inexperienced or naive, but most people over a certain age and experience level actually ARE aware that some people are idiots and assholes.  One has to ask, then, why you were surprised to discover that this was the case with dommes.

--M

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/17/2006 5:55:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Morrigel

quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptveDesre

Me inquiring why a certain Domme or group of Dommes would participate this way does not elevate my curiosity to brand everyone in that manner.


Then I suppose you are, again, not really asking any question which requires an answer more sophisticated that "Because some people are assholes/idiots"?

You have reprimanded other posters for calling you inexperienced or naive, but most people over a certain age and experience level actually ARE aware that some people are idiots and assholes.  One has to ask, then, why you were surprised to discover that this was the case with dommes.

--M

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/17/2006 6:23:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

FYI, and not at all smartass.

if you use it, it is properly:  Banty (Bantam)

Sincerely,
Ron(ne)
  sigh.. it's a regional Colloquialism.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/17/2006 6:38:06 PM   
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I'm sorry you took my direct and honest responses to  your thread so  hard.  I just gave you MY EXPERIENCES and my summation after having run head on into the same situations over and over.
 
I follow my own advice. I found a partner in my same age bracket with more experience than I.  He shared what he knew.  We took it from there.  It just makes sense to do so.  BDSM isn't brain surgery.  As you no doubt probably have read, is that there are no hard and fast rules.. just "what works for you. It's all good".  This in itself is like tossing a life saver out to someone with no one on the other end to tug you along.  All you can do is read what other people do and take what fits YOUR personality and incorporate it.  You really have to try on all the hats before you know what fits the best.
 
If you don't like the "yes men"..don't be one.  There ARE dommes out there that don't care for that also. I'm one of them.  But then I don't care for constant butting of heads on every issue.  So I just pull back and turn them loose.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/17/2006 10:54:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

Then I suppose you are, again, not really asking any question which requires an answer more sophisticated that "Because some people are assholes/idiots"?

You have reprimanded other posters for calling you inexperienced or naive, but most people over a certain age and experience level actually ARE aware that some people are idiots and assholes.  One has to ask, then, why you were surprised to discover that this was the case with dommes.

--M


I would say not.
But smile, prance about, dance, and rejoyce. You 'win.'
I've grown exhausted of defending myself from my own words, twisted to their opposite by another's assumptions.

My apologies for wasting your time.


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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/17/2006 11:48:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CaptveDesre
But smile, prance about, dance, and rejoyce. You 'win.'


*rolls her eyes*  Ok.  But only if you promise to sulk, throw a tantrum, take your toys and go home, yelling you don't ever want to play with me again, because you "lose".

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/17/2006 11:55:28 PM   
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*rolls her eyes*  Ok.  But only if you promise to sulk, throw a tantrum, take your toys and go home, yelling you don't ever want to play with me again, because you "lose".

--M


(Exhaustion) ≠ (Sulking, throwing a tantrum, taking my toys home, yelling I don't ever want to play with you again, because I "lose.")


Edit/Addition: Just a stroke of thought I felt compelled to add. Attempting a debate was a bit much for your tastes, and so was my withdrawl. What is it that I could do that would satisfy you, Morrigel?
Just leads to curiosity...



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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/17/2006 11:58:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CaptveDesre
(Exhaustion) ≠ (Sulking, throwing a tantrum, taking my toys home, yelling I don't ever want to play with you again, because I "lose.")


And inability to understand the motive behind your thread does not equal "prancing" etc. because I "win".

--M

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/18/2006 12:04:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptveDesre
(Exhaustion) ≠ (Sulking, throwing a tantrum, taking my toys home, yelling I don't ever want to play with you again, because I "lose.")


And inability to understand the motive behind your thread does not equal "prancing" etc. because I "win".

--M


The motive was mere curiosity, and the desire to gather an opinion outside my own on the subject.
Can that satisfy? Because, honestly... at this point, I'd just like to know you're happy.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/18/2006 12:09:21 AM   
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*raises an eyebrow*  I wouldn't take the word "satisfaction" in vain, but sure, darlin'.  I don't need to chase your tail around the moon just because I can't figure out what the mystery was.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/18/2006 12:11:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

*raises an eyebrow*  I wouldn't take the word "satisfaction" in vain, but sure, darlin'.  I don't need to chase your tail around the moon just because I can't figure out what the mystery was.

--M

You aren't implying you want to take your toys and go home, are you?  D:

All in jest, Morrigel.
I'm glad this is done.

((edited for correction of grammatial error))


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