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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/18/2006 12:34:35 AM   
Lorelei115


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quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptveDesre

I'd like to begin this post by disclaiming some likely first impressions. I'm not writing to step on toes, to flame or troll, or because I am saddened by an empty inbox.

Why would a Domme take the position of a victim, who is constantly molested by a throng of submissive 'yesmen?' Males who have yet to mature to the stage of critical thought?
I should be clear here, my confusion doesn't rest in Dommes who display their distaste in these men. I feel that frustration. I feel their dead weight strapped to my ankles, preventing the repuation of a male submissive from reaching further than that of a pathetic worm (literally).
What does vex me is that this given Domme -and I refer to many that I have noticed- posts a self-promoting and mildly controversial tome of propaganda, rewarding the yes men (who jump at the chance to nod their head eagerly out of despiration) with attention and praise, only to turn around and speak sour about the type they choose to invite moments later.

Furthermore, when the rare submissive respectfully presents a differing opinion on this claim, he is pounced upon by the Domme and her... hm.. posse. Spoken to in a rude and callous tone due to his preference in actual thought rather than immediate, blind, and stupid submission.
Why is it that a submissive can not socially disagree with a Domme, in a chatroom or forum nonetheless; where tasteful and respectful ideas are intended to flow freely? Why is it one like this is frowned upon?

Is it wrong of me to consider this sort of dominant behavior and attitude silly and contradictory? Or should I shut up and nod like the rest of the sheep, next in line for her lambchop dinner rant?

I would also be interested to hear thoughts on the female submissive / male dominant dynamic as related to this subject, since I've noticed similar occurances and complaints.

Thank you sincerely for your time.




Are you really all done with the thread or can I post my observations and thoughts?

The one place I see this whole thread going wrong is when you said "Why is it that a submissive can not socially disagree with a Domme, in a chatroom or forum nonetheless; where tasteful and respectful ideas are intended to flow freely? Why is it one like this is frowned upon?" That sentence took your line of questioning from the specific (why would the aformentioned chatroom Domme act like this) to the general (why do ALL Dommes act like this?).

Now that I've re read your post and the posts following, I understand that you were not trying to generalize Dommes, just asking a question about this particular chatroom Domme, and some other isolated examples that seem to have the same style.

To THAT question, I think the answer lies in their insecurity as a Domme. They do not truly FEEL dominant, so they need to broadcast the fact that they have submissives hanging on their every word. On the other hand, to further display their "Domliness" they want to appear to be selective.

Not being able to gracefully debate an issue with another person online, be they sub or Dom, is, in my opinion, a sign of emotional immaturity. For this particular chatroom Domme, having someone disagree with her opinions is akin to somone saying "I don't think you're really a Domme." That may not be what the person is actually saying, but disagreement is often seen by these type of people as an attack. Humans being pack animals, she gathers her posse around herself and attacks right back.

Also keep in mind that it is impossible to translate emotion over the internet. While one person may believe they have made a completely innocuous post, someone else might take that post to be directed at them or misconstrue it in a negative manner. Just look what happened with your own post! Simply because of the way a sentence was worded, many of the Dommes here took offense to something you did not intend to be offensive.

*shrug* Just my thoughts on the matter.



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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/18/2006 12:51:37 AM   
CaptveDesre


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorelei115

Are you really all done with the thread or can I post my observations and thoughts?

The one place I see this whole thread going wrong is when you said "Why is it that a submissive can not socially disagree with a Domme, in a chatroom or forum nonetheless; where tasteful and respectful ideas are intended to flow freely? Why is it one like this is frowned upon?" That sentence took your line of questioning from the specific (why would the aformentioned chatroom Domme act like this) to the general (why do ALL Dommes act like this?).

Now that I've re read your post and the posts following, I understand that you were not trying to generalize Dommes, just asking a question about this particular chatroom Domme, and some other isolated examples that seem to have the same style.

To THAT question, I think the answer lies in their insecurity as a Domme. They do not truly FEEL dominant, so they need to broadcast the fact that they have submissives hanging on their every word. On the other hand, to further display their "Domliness" they want to appear to be selective.

Not being able to gracefully debate an issue with another person online, be they sub or Dom, is, in my opinion, a sign of emotional immaturity. For this particular chatroom Domme, having someone disagree with her opinions is akin to somone saying "I don't think you're really a Domme." That may not be what the person is actually saying, but disagreement is often seen by these type of people as an attack. Humans being pack animals, she gathers her posse around herself and attacks right back.

Also keep in mind that it is impossible to translate emotion over the internet. While one person may believe they have made a completely innocuous post, someone else might take that post to be directed at them or misconstrue it in a negative manner. Just look what happened with your own post! Simply because of the way a sentence was worded, many of the Dommes here took offense to something you did not intend to be offensive.

*shrug* Just my thoughts on the matter.


For the most part I'm ending my involvement in the thread, but I had to reply to this, because I think youre absolutely right. Not just in your answer, but pointing out that part of my first post. I completely missed that, and I can easily see how that could throw someone off if they hadn't kept track of the posts I've made since. I tried to edit that post to reflect this, but found that its locked in as is, unfortunately.

Also, I found myself nodding subtly as I read your response. It's not that these Dommes in question are idiots or assholes (pardon the french, please), they may have been mistakenly threatened emotionally, or not comfortable enough to know their place, so to speak.

And furthermore, I completely agree with your final paragraph. I can point out a few times in this thread I might have taken a reply in the light of spite, and where others may have in turn. It wasnt unexpected that this would occur on some level, but I think your words have highlighted how prominent a role that case has taken in the past few days.

Thank you kindly, Lorelei.

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/18/2006 6:27:32 AM   
Morrigel


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The other ignored issue which took this conversation from the specific to the very general was that you invoked the behavior of not one domme, but an entire roomful of dommes.  As I tried to point out earlier, when an entire roomful of dommes agree, it is actually somewhat rare.

Having now visited the chatrooms of this site, I have also seen what you mean by "cast out".  I only spent the evening in one room, but it was a very pleasant time, because the room actually had the on-line equivalent of a DM who would eject people if they were not contributing positively.  I personally had no problems with the decisions made by the DM of that room; she got rid of people who had been idle for long periods of time and had likely left their computers, people who had disobeyed the stated rules and conditions of the room, and people who had bad attitudes.  Her social skills were actually very acute; the fact that she could better identify a person with a chip on his shoulder than he would admit is not something I will complain about.  Chatrooms quickly become unpleasant if gratingly obnoxious people are allowed to remain; this is why chatrooms, like the previously invoked tavern metaphor, sometimes require a bouncer.

Example:  when you have an extremely experienced and sophisticated domme in the room, taking the time to explain and describe a dangerous form of edgeplay involving injections to the scrotum, you definitely don't want to be the idiot in the room who keeps making aggressively dumb posts about how "it doesn't really hurt".  When this man was ejected after two or three repeated warnings, he immediately popped back into the room to say how "childish" it was to kick him out.  In fact, what he wouldn't admit was how childish HE was--he had never experienced the ordeal in question personally, and this was extremely obvious to ANYONE who has ever administered or witnessed an "infusion" scene being done.

--M

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/18/2006 8:33:46 AM   
pinksissyPA


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Well said Ms Lorilei.  i too have tuned out the insecure ones here who pose as Dommes particurlarly the one who attempts to kill every thread there is on this board.  She shows her ignorance and insecurity with each of her posts.

Respectfully,

pink

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/18/2006 1:53:28 PM   
mechbot972007


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this message string confirms something that i had a suspicion about.  

all of us have a pair of shoes or a clothing (something that we put on our bodies as a barer to the outside world) that at first fits tightly.  we wore it so that it would be stretched, broken in to our needs and wants.  during this process we got blisters, rashes and mild issues that iterated the Owner.  being the owner we knew the potential of what the item could be and the pleasure it could bring.  during this the Owner used bandages and the like to weather the transition of taking something off a shelf and breaking (reshaping) it to conform to Owner needs and wants.  Once broken in the item would comfort the Owner even on the most drabbest of days, truly lifting the spirit.  i feel/know that in order for me to meet the needs of my Domme will require that i will be "broken in to her needs and wants".  i present myself as raw material (ply able) to be Owned and shaped in a matter that will best benefit Domme needs and wants. 
Pleas forgive me if i took this around the block while expressing myself....also i would like to disclaim that i'm not saying that the relationship between a sub and a Dom/me are as simple as stated here....
Respectfully,
chris

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RE: Why would a Domme...? - 11/18/2006 2:31:39 PM   
lateralist


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Very interesting. Submissive men just like dominant women are all very different.
Perhaps some of us conform to a stereotype while we find out who we really are.
The lifestyle has certainly helped me to understand myself.
Of course there are some men who just love being told off lol.
They will do anything and say anything to make someone, especially a woman mad at them.
My fem sub thought that dominant equated with bossy.
Perhaps it does for some women.
I just like getting my own way when I am certain that I am right both for myself and my partner.
That doesn't mean I won't listen to him.
It takes two people to be happy for a good relationship.
I know what I need to make me happy.
I ask any prospective partner what he needs to make him happy.
What I don't need is someone who is prepared to pretend to be what I want.
For whatever reason.
I am quite prepared to compromise to a certain extent because I am past believing in Mr Right.
I believe that D/s is a symbiotic relationship not a parasitic one.
However there seem to be an awful lot of men who say that they want a selfish bitch.
Just because I need Total Power Exchange doesn't mean that I am selfish. Just prepared to take on the responsibility for the well-being of my partner.
If you think I am wrong in anything that I have said will you please disagree with me. Domme or sub we are all people with our own belief system.

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