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Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 9:41:03 AM   
LotusSong


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Status: offline 		If you catch her show tomorrow morning... I'd like your opinion on it all, from a het male point of view:
 
How did you feel about her male presentation?
 
How was the interpretation of a male by a female?
 
Did you find it flattering, sexy or unsettling?  
 
(Now, granted this is an excursion of a female wanting to see what the "other side" is like and not true cross dressing. But it may give you some insight how women see it by your initial gut reaction.)

To take this mental exercise a bit further.. say that you had married her and she told you about her desires to cross dress.  How far could you get involved in it?
 


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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 12:20:35 PM   
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But OMG..if a male does it!!!

SHAME!!!

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:07:16 PM   
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It will be viewed as pefectly okay..and welcome.


But OMG..if a male does it!!!

SHAME!!!


Ah, but what if she wants to go to bed with you dressed only as man and with the attached appendage?  Assuming her partner is het?

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:10:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heh....they are called strap-ons.

A few more articles of clothing wouldn't hurt.

No big deal. Women dress boyish all the time now.

Its an accepted norm.

But if a male acts or looks feminine he is "less than a man" and despised.

Never mind what his character is really like.

That is our culture.



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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:22:58 PM   
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Heh....they are called strap-ons.

A few more articles of clothing wouldn't hurt.

No big deal. Women dress boyish all the time now.

Its an accepted norm.

But if a male does it he is "less than a man" and despised.

That is our culture.


The difference in the women's dressing issue, aside from Transgenderism and sexual re-assignmentis that when JQ Fem dons so called "male clothing"  (however, T-shirt and jeans have now become unisex), they do not  wish to be addressed by the other gender to the point of wanting to be addressed by a Masculine name such as George or John.  They still are female in mannerisms, speech an identify as such.
 
What if you found that the super model you married told you she can only make love to you as her alter ego (a man).  Complete with all the facial hair and tidy whities?
 
My point here is, that I think women are expected to adapt to it all, where i think if the shoe was on the other foot, it would be totally acceptable for the man to squick.
 
We are reading on some of the other related threads that while the woman first accept is.. all is well until it seems to want to dominate the relationship. Understanding, that this is not in all cases.

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:26:27 PM   
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Its perfectly okay for females to be/act masculine...but if a male looks/act feminine..he's totally demonized.


FACT.

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:33:01 PM   
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Once again,I repeat....

Its perfectly okay for females to be/act masculine...but if a male looks/act feminine..he's totally demonized.


FACT.


Correct!

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:36:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		..and in many cases...threatened with violence or attacked physically.

Not to mention the namecalling...."you fag"!! "You homo!!!"..."wimp!!"


Tell me something....does the same happen to a female when dressed as a man? Absolutely not.

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:37:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		The thing is, the average woman would look good in a garbage bag, let alone in a man's suit and tie.

Meanwhile, the average guy only looks good in a suit and tie.

Whilst this clearly leaves me with something of a dilemna, it is nevertheless what I have oberved to be true.

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:38:43 PM   
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..and in many cases...threatened with violence or attacked physically.

Not to mention the namecalling...."you fag"!! "You homo!!!"..."wimp!!"


Tell me something....does the same happen to a female when dressed as a man? Absolutely not.


But a woman looks sexy dressed in a man's clothing.

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:40:04 PM   
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Its not the clothes that make the man, its what lies on the inside.

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:40:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh so...its only acceptable if its sexy?

What a pile of shit.




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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:44:30 PM   
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Oh so...its only acceptable if its sexy?

What a pile of shit.





Sisify, I'm a guy!
Why on God's green earth would I want to look at another guy dressed in woman's clothes???
That's fuckin gross!

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:45:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		No one is saying you have to.

I just see the hypocricy of our so called "civilized" culture.







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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:50:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

Oh so...its only acceptable if its sexy?

What a pile of shit.


Oh come off it.  We get it.  We all have lots of pity that you don't make a pretty girl, but that's not our fault.  Society defining beauty and prizing it is as old as civilization itself, older probably.  It happens in the animal kingdom all the time.  If you want to be appreciated for your inner beauty, figure out how to let it show on your outer self.  Quit whining, bitching, and moaning. 

As for tyra, well I think she is beautiful, and what she wears won't change that, because she comes accross as having a beatiful mind, body, AND soul. 

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:52:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not certain of that 'FACT'... In LotusSongs post, she was asking what if a woman wanted to have sex with her male partner, as a male (the woman is wearing a strap on and want's to use it on her male partner). I highly doubt that many men (especially vanilla) would be ok with this. I think they (the men) would have a negative reaction... after all, most het males like everyone to know that they are het - they vehemently deny having any tendencies whatsoever that they believe makes them seem gay (which includes being thought of as liking/wanting/being ok with anal sex, when it's the males own butt).
 
I think the difference in women dressing in jeans & t-shirts (traditionally men's clothing) and men dressing in skirts & blouses is that the jeans & t-shirt bit are NOW seen as gender neutral. Also, jeans are now made for women (curvy for the hips & cut to accent the leg) as are t-shirts (wet t-shirt contest... doesn't envoke the thought of men now does it?). Skirts and blouses are still very much in the feminine department in our society... but if more men wore them, it would change. Take the colour pink... not long ago (maybe 5-10 years), it was a 'gay' colour. If a man wore pink, he was gay. Period. Now, we have CEO's and het men wearing pink shirts. Not a huge surprise anymore, and not thought of as odd (unless the guy's colouring doesn't go with the pink, but that's likely only to be noticed by women & gay men).
 
I hope this makes sense...

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:56:52 PM   
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Oh come off it. We get it. We all have lots of pity that you don't make a pretty girl, but that's not our fault.


Personal attack.

I don't care what you think. Your opinion means little to me if you don't show any respect to me in the first place.


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Society defining beauty and prizing it is as old as civilization itself, older probably. It happens in the animal kingdom all the time. If you want to be appreciated for your inner beauty, figure out how to let it show on your outer self.


This isn't about "beauty"..this is about defining yourself and being able to express yourself without being visciously beaten or cast out.


quote:

Quit whining, bitching, and moaning.


Nope...not going to happen.

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:57:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly.  What made me even think of this post was something I got in my email.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOnJXGZgplM

Even though this is off the wall.. women, who are not crossdressing  but simply wearing jeans and a t-shirt..do not adopt male mannerisms nor identify as such.

What I'm trying to show with this thread is how hard it is for a spouse or girlfriend to get her mind around the extremes.

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 1:59:36 PM   
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No one is saying you have to.

I just see the hypocricy of our so called "civilized" culture.







Sisify, that's why the song is called "Daddy's Little Girl" not "Daddy's little boy!"
Crossdressing is inherently selfish anyway.
It's all ego of the person getting dressed for themselves and doesn't do anything for anyone else.

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RE: Tyra is CROSS DRESSING tomorrow!!! - 11/19/2006 2:01:17 PM   
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Crossdressing is inherently selfish anyway.
It's all ego of the person getting dressed for themselves and doesn't do anything for anyone else.


Popeye,

Don't even go there. You have NO idea what you are talking about.


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