marieToo
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MarieToo asks me to provide evidence of courts taking a one sided view and believing women. I cant do this because I dont follow individual cases in such detail and in the UK many domestic dispute cases are not open to the public.
My attitude stems from what I read and listen to in the press and on Radio/TV programmes where there is a clear bias, when such matters are discussed, against men. A perfect example here is rape. There has recently been lots of publicity to the effect that not enough convictions follow as a consequence of rape accusations made by women. Surely that assumes women are telling the truth , doesn't it ? Quite frequently women will not report the offence for some time and have NO supporting physical evidence and are usually accusing someone with whom they are or have been living, with ongoing problems in that relationship.
Hi Seeks:
I guess the different countries vary also. But the point I was making...if you want to check out my post # 114 was about how both genders have been railroaded at different times and rape was the example I used. In American often men are accused of such convicted, and locked away for their sentence, then proven years later now with DNA testing that they were innocent. On the other hand, some get away with it, simply because it turns out that the girl who was raped had been seen earlier by witnesses having a couple drinks at a party and flirting with the suspect, therefore no one believes her when she says "well, yes, I had some wine and yes I did flirt, but when he tried to take my clothes off, I said "Stop". I can get with the fact that there are some men in different circumstances who have been victimized by the lies of women, or by the lies of men for that matter, and vice versa. I think whats going here is that theres almost 2 subject matters---male/spousal abuse---and---the injustices that occur in the legal system. I think whats happening here, with alot of the posters on this thread is we are looking at our own experiences, and what we've seen, heard on a documentary,read in an article and seen our neighbors go through and they are trying to come up with a black and white statement of "men are the victims of lying women in society because it's automatically assumed that men cannot be violated". I mean what if the program you were watching was specifically about men being violated by women...of course thats what they will present. If the program is about men who have gotten away with rape, thats what they will present. etc etc. Just like a thread. We could start a thread on all women who feel they have been victimized legally by lies of men and get the same result.
Of all the posters here, I guess I am the only one who disagrees that men as a rule are victims of the system and that lying women are seeing to it that this happens to them. Now, that could mean that since the majority think its true, it must be true, or it could just mean that Im simply the only person participating in this thread who doesn't agree.
I think its nearly impossible for any of us to say that EITHER sex, or any race, or any religion, or gender or group of people are currently more victimized by the legal system than another.......(except maybe blacks, imo) but there again, it could be argued that now whites are being victimized (as one of the posters brought up that he belived he was victimized partially because he was white) since whites had for so long gotten away with things, that blacks could not get away with.
I know we cant come up with proof, and stats, depending on where they come from are always slanted and easy to rip down as far as their credibility, so what can any of us do but judge from what we have seen personally, as all of us have admitted we have done. "I went through this" "Ive seen that" "My wife lied to the cops" "My husband lied to the cops" "I was victimized cuz I was white" "because I was male" "Because I was black, purple red".
I mean what are we going to base such a strong statement as "Men are most often victimized by lying women and railroaded in any legal movements involving assualt and spousal abuse" on? To me that is one hell of a strong and absolute statement. And for any of us to make such a statement (and you can reverse the word men and women in that statement and I would feel the same way) without having anything solid to sink our teeth into for proof of it, to me, is just a bunch of people all talking about what they have seen. Im sure we could get a thread going on how many people have been abused and victimized that were female, or black, or overweight, or whatever. To me, thats all this is. No one has to convince me of anything of course, but for the sake of debate, I personally need something more solid to prove such a strong belief.
Thanks for you response.
< Message edited by marieToo -- 11/29/2006 4:33:38 AM >
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