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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 4:29:12 PM   
DecadentGoddess


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Status: offline 		Oh I wasn''t saying that you were denouncing it!  Apologies if it came across that way.  I was actually referring to the original question....why is this site denouncing it?

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ORIGINAL: Elegant

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ORIGINAL: DecadentGoddess

Perhaps I do. 

But greed, whipping someone, golden showers, sexy clothing.  What's the difference really?

There is always someone out there that could look at what you like and denounce it as wrong. 

I think that's the point I'm making here.


I did not denounce a greed fetish as wrong.


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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 4:30:56 PM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		They aren't denouncing it.  They're just saying they don't want it here.

Much like discussing illegal things.  While that's great on a law forum, it aint for here.

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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 4:31:19 PM   
DecadentGoddess


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Status: offline 		Just because it's not about money in any sense for you, does not mean that it's not for someone else.  Dommes and subs included.

And really, walk a street? LOL

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ORIGINAL: Michaelat92544

I'm proud Collar Me keeps most of the professinal trash out. BDSM is not about cash. Walk a street....

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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 4:33:17 PM   
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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 4:33:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Michaelat92544

Collar Me's policies are far too lenient in my opinion. I'd disallow any form of monetary tribute.


I swear, if it wasn't for the fact that you're not a "sub," I would think you're a different Michael.

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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 4:34:55 PM   
DecadentGoddess


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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji
We have no community, all we have is a bunch of people with loosely related interests.

Anyone who uses that to guilt others into accepting their fetish is, in my opinion only, a scheming hussy.


Community:  a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists

Hussy:



1.
a brazen or immoral woman.



2.
a mischievous, impudent, or ill-behaved girl.

I might just change my name now!

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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 4:37:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DecadentGoddess

Community:  a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists



Alrighty, but in the context you used it, it meant more that we are in this together, come hell or high water.

We aint.  Come hell, I'm in.  Come high water, I just peed.

Yours,


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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 4:40:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem is......... even if there are a few Good Domme's and subs who are honestly practicing this as a true fetish.  Those that really have good intention....

If Collarme were to welcome them with open arms and all that you wish - it opens a door for ALL of those who arent.  How is CM supposed to weed out the sincere folks?  Plus CM has their hands full already and since the larger group that does practice Fianical Domination is generally scam artists its just easier to take it off the block. 

of course nobody can answer for CM but CM......

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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 4:50:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
There's a very decent thread about financial domination in the "Ask a Mistress" section - check it out.  You will get a lot of good input, etc.


Here's the link to said topic:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_707511/tm.htm 

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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 4:51:06 PM   
Rover


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ORIGINAL: Carrianna

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ORIGINAL: Rover

The difference is obvious... cash.  Beyond the usual legal minefield inherent to BDSM, once there is a monetary exchange the issue of prostitution becomes salient.  And while you and I may understand and appreciate the difference, the legal system does not.
 
John


Prostitution is to offer payment for sexual intercourse, financial slavery is giving money because they want to show how committed they are to you.

I personally don’t see a problem with this, if someone wants to show me how submissive they are by sending me money carry on, I wont stop them, well maybe just to count each note or kiss each note.  Just being honest.



It really doesn't matter whether you or I see a problem with this.  The authorities see a problem with it.  And like it or not, they don't understand WIITWD all that well.  They see it all as sex, and financial Domination as sex for money. 
 
You and I have no issue.  The issue is with the courts and DA's.  I suggest you take it up with them, and then respond back to us with the progress you make.
 
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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 4:51:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DecadentGoddess

I find it offensively hypocritical that Collarme.com disallows financial fetishes from being referred to on a site that purports to be BDSM in nature.

As a lifestyle Domme and Financial Sadist, with a bevy of souls whose fetish is serving me financially, I ask you, what difference is there between a whip and a checking account number?

The premise may be different, but the philosophy is the same.  In my opinion, at least.

Share yours?


Because it's a personal pet peeve:

Main Entry: fe·tish


1 a : an object (as a small stone carving of an animal) believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner ; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence b : an object of irrational reverence or obsessive devotion : PREPOSSESSION c : an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression
2 : a rite or cult of fetish worshipers

I would call this a "kink". Unless your subs need to see you rubbing their cash around your body or hear you talk about their allowence to get off.

Now, for my "two cents": I dislike this idea of financial fetishs and slavery for a very simple reason. It removes the resource needed for escape from a bad situation. Let us not delude ourselves, actual abuse happens in our circles and without funds not everyone can get away from the abusers.

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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 4:55:35 PM   
DecadentGoddess


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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

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ORIGINAL: DecadentGoddess

Community:  a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists



Alrighty, but in the context you used it, it meant more that we are in this together, come hell or high water.

We aint.  Come hell, I'm in.  Come high water, I just peed.

Yours,


benji


LOL....gotcha =)

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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 4:56:57 PM   
DecadentGoddess


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quote:

ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

The problem is......... even if there are a few Good Domme's and subs who are honestly practicing this as a true fetish.  Those that really have good intention....

If Collarme were to welcome them with open arms and all that you wish - it opens a door for ALL of those who arent.  How is CM supposed to weed out the sincere folks?  Plus CM has their hands full already and since the larger group that does practice Fianical Domination is generally scam artists its just easier to take it off the block. 

of course nobody can answer for CM but CM......



Yes, I can see that for sure.  I did send a letter to CM too. 

Thanks for sharing!

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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 5:20:35 PM   
marieToo


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Status: offline 		Reply to OP:

Where do you draw the line with regards to discerning who is taking money as a fetish and who is taking money as a scam artist? 

If the giving/taking of money could be enjoyed by some bdsmers as their fetish or as a pro service, who is to say that some people dont fetish 'scamming' and being scammed?

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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 5:24:04 PM   
DecadentGoddess


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ORIGINAL: marieToo

Reply to OP:

Where do you draw the line with regards to discerning who is taking money as a fetish and who is taking money as a scam artist? 

If the giving/taking of money could be enjoyed by some bdsmers as their fetish or as a pro service, who is to say that some people dont fetish 'scamming' and being scammed?


Now THAT is a really interesting take on it.  I'm so glad I posted this.  I simply love exploring ideas!

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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 5:25:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pinkkeith

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
There's a very decent thread about financial domination in the "Ask a Mistress" section - check it out.  You will get a lot of good input, etc.


Here's the link to said topic:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_707511/tm.htm 


There are folks who do indeed get off on this.  I actually spoke to one once, on AOL.  He truly was into this.  He enjoyed it, he truly got his rocks off on this gig....and I know for a fact, having spoken to him...this was absolutely...his thing.

But, finances are a smidge different from smoking, driving too fast or biting your nails.  Multiple vices.

This is a serious motherfucking thing.  These guys are people who are often preyed on.

Sorry...I have no respect for someone who uses a sub as a wallet (typically a man).  I think it's cruel.  I think the women who do it are cruel.

Sue me.



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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 5:26:39 PM   
LadySeraphina


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quote:

ORIGINAL: DecadentGoddess

I find it offensively hypocritical that Collarme.com disallows financial fetishes from being referred to on a site that purports to be BDSM in nature.

As a lifestyle Domme and Financial Sadist, with a bevy of souls whose fetish is serving me financially, I ask you, what difference is there between a whip and a checking account number?

The premise may be different, but the philosophy is the same. In my opinion, at least.

Share yours?


I have a few people who enjoy tithing. It's often very much like the joy we get from buying presents for those we love. They get joy out of giving what they feel they have to offer. In their case, money.

It's not mandatory to me that someone choose to give on that level, but what astounds me (though it shouldn't) is the level of nastiness directed at the OP. Honestly, some people enjoy financial 'slavery' and if that's their kink, so be it.

To the OP - CollarMe has a valid concern about the legality, and the number of people who will take advantage of vulnerable submissives. Some places even screen out proDommes, and at least CollarMe realizes that some of us are professionals AND lifestylers, and not the scam artists and trash that some would have you believe.

Edited to add: I do my best to determine how mucch of my sub's income he is sending me, and I do not permit them to give more than they can afford. Just like any other play, it must be safe for them, and that means not allowing them to go into debt or be harmed by the play. I take my responsibilities to my boys very seriously.

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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 5:30:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Internet is already all but overwhelmed with spam. If you start allowing people to come on to try to take their best shot at talking suckers out of money, soon that will be 95% of your traffic. Hell, you can bet i'd be starting up a few female profiles to take a swing at it... friggin' Christmas

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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 5:34:53 PM   
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RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? - 12/3/2006 5:36:13 PM   
LotusSong


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Status: offline 		My opinion?  Get a frigging JOB and stop being a parasite by preying on the weak-mindedness of those that think this is a  ligitimate form of domination.
 
Who can tell how somone gets their "financial slavery".. by Threats? Blackmail? Embezzelment?  It just opens the door to any kind of lowlife that figures the "lifestyle" is a good as excuse as any.  That damn "oh god forbid we judge anyone."  No -god forbid we THINK!
 
I had to say my peice.  I'm sure it's not anything you haven't heard before.  Too bad this will probably be censored. 
 
This practice represents the lowest excuse to call themselves dominant- male or female.  And of course, we are all judged by the lowest denominator.

This is what happens when I have just finished watching "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington"

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