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RE: Picture ID - 12/30/2006 2:19:37 PM   
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Very interesting articles - thank you.
As i have said you fight your fight and good luck with it.
I'm not entirely sure why you keep throwing these atricles at me thoug. After all i have never stated i am for the id cards so maybe you are fighting the wrong person here.
My question still stands too. I have answered all yours.
What difference are you actually making in a fight you have already lost?

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RE: Picture ID - 12/30/2006 2:22:50 PM   
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My question still stands too. I have answered all yours.

What difference are you actually making in a fight you have already lost?


where do you get the idea we already lost?


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RE: Picture ID - 12/30/2006 2:26:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

My question still stands too. I have answered all yours.

What difference are you actually making in a fight you have already lost?


where do you get the idea we already lost?



Lol - we'll have this convo again when you are carrying ur picture id card like a good citizen.

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RE: Picture ID - 12/30/2006 2:57:30 PM   
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As far as the on-line shopping.. you end up leaving little pixel footprints that can be traced back right to your front if necessary.  Those with nothing to hide.. hide nothing. 

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RE: Picture ID - 12/30/2006 3:45:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

My question still stands too. I have answered all yours.

What difference are you actually making in a fight you have already lost?


where do you get the idea we already lost?



Lol - we'll have this convo again when you are carrying ur picture id card like a good citizen.


yep thats a promise that we will when its defeated!


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RE: Picture ID - 12/31/2006 5:23:21 AM   
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LOL, I was just thinking about how I have changed over the years. I used to be so secretive about my kink, but now I am getting to the point I don't care. There comes a time in life when it is a good thing to be open, when it will lead to greater fullfilment.

Is it that time for you ? Let's say a hacker comes around and puts MY personal info out there. Do I care ? I am damnear irreplacable at work, unattached and have a credit score close to 800. If someone threatened to blackmail me to my boss the first thing I would do is call my boss on the phone and sayu "Expect a phone call from an asshole telling you I like to tie up chicks and shit". The first thing he would say is "So what do I care ?". Later of course he would ask if it is true, to which I would reply "Sure is".

Others do not always have it so good. Some places image is everything. Some places politics is everything. One thing about my life, I am pretty much where I want to be, and I hope one day everyone here gets there. My boss will not give up the $1,000 per day average I bring in. A couple of weeks ago I called off, I told him straight out "I did a bunch of coke and it got me all screwed up for today". Then I proceeded to go in the afternoon to make another deal, actually to get an advance. I said "You are upfront with me so......".

So, know what I am going to do ? Anything I want. Without my ID or license I will drive close to the speed limits, stop for redlights and not hit the other cars. I will not smoke pot on the front porch. Noone underage gets in my house without a Parent (should I check their ID ?).

When I get to jail finally (because you know they catch everybody, like they caught the guy that shot me, but I haven't caught wind of it), guess what. I will be in jail for not having the proper papers.

Mods note what I am about to say, they do not want me in jail. I know I am one of the most controversial posters here, and I am just being me. You should see me in real life ! I learn the rules here as I go along, make a mistake or two, but in real life there is nobody to put me out, and in jail they can't.

See the longest I was in jail was 30 days, and in that 30 days I touched the lives of about 50 people, giving good law advice. Not this common law mumbo-jumbo, real stuff. Not about taxes, about how alot of people are railroaded in here, how they do it and how to get out. The names of good lawyers. Home treatments of physical conditions. I do nothing but cost them money when in jail.

They know it too. One day the cops were at my house at 4AM to deal with a loud music complaint. I did not get a ticket. They do not want me, even though they want me.

And I am bold. One day in jail I said "Know why you N_____ are in here for dealing, because you are on the corner yelling 'dimes dimes, anybody need a dime ?'". I went on to tell them, pay rent somewhere, you're making what, a grand a day ?, just keep it cool and discreet, like White folk do.

It was an interesting debate that followed, much better than I expected. They told me that on the street you can run, in a house or car you can't, and I replied that if you don't get spotted you have no need to run. You would be at your crib still making $1,000 a day instead of sitting in here with me. when they asked why I was there I replied truthfully, I belong there. I have gotten away with soooooooooooo much that any time the give me is not enough.

If they only knew. So here I am getting along with the brothers in there, and they laugh at one guy who doesn't know how to read. I told them straight out "It's not fucking funny".

My guile and my gall is tempered by a sincere desire to do good. I remember the words "We are a bad influence on everybody", spoken a very long time ago. I spoke those words and I am not happy with that part of my life.

Since then I strive to educate and inform people when I can. Getting people to resolve their conflicts rather than to resort to revenge or retaliation. I can remember a time when it was exactly the opposite. Back then I advocated revenge. I was revenge helper so to speak. There are two guys I met since then that had all this happened 20 years ago we would have went and did nasty things.

I had plenty of cars so they would not see us coming, there were no cellphones so cutting the phone wires was very effective. I am so ashamed of those days that words cannot express it. I would probably qualify to become a Mossad agent.

I will get a picture ID, I need to move some money to a different bank, but I will not carry it to make a $12 purchase. The ink cartridge is a moot point now, I have a laser printeer, which means in about a year or three I will have to go online and get toner for it. I could go to Officemax and find that they have to order it, or I can just order it myself.

I have ordered my life to comply with non-compliance. One of my favorite sayings I made is "Compliance is futile, you must resist". Research that on the net far enough and you will actually find out exactly who I am and probably where I am. I am not afraid of anyone, but then I can't assume that all others have that confidence. When the barrell of my gun knocks their front teeth out they will likely calm down.

Actually I mention this because of another forum that got hacked out of existence. Wasn't real busy but it wasn't bad. It was on sweetchastity.com. The owner of that site got an asswhipping for it. He didn't give up, but the forum is gone.

Why do people do that ? Beat someone's ass because they don't like them ? Too much work, and WRONG. If you don't like them just tell them to stay away from you. If they then impose themselves on you, beat away.

I don't understand people sometimes. I don't understand the world at times. Are there going to be national IDs in Iraq and Afganistan ? When they heard we were coming they passed out weapons to the people, while our senators and congressmen were pushing to take ours away.

I think the reason that Mod11 watches me is because of the statements I make, no doubt, but what most of you see as a civilized world I see as chaos. It is like alot of people are blind to the chaos. I see it very clearly though.

Every time I see a flag draped over a coffin of one of our soldiers I do not feel grief. I want to grab the flag, twist it up and strangle the entire upper administration of the US government with it. From the top down.

How long is it going to be until such a statement will land me in jail ?

Speaking of jail, I have retired from it. Back when there was a shred of decency in the courts a good Man could make some headway. Not any more.

Anyway missturbation (kinda like that name) with what you have said here, my interest is piqued as to your background, your particular slant on it. Were you the victim of a crime, were your Parents involved in law enforcement ? Things like that. I know very few people who would invoke the "What do you have to hide" statement. Seems to me such people were afforded very little privacy in life, and are used to not having it.

Buddy of mine, years ago was thinking of becoming a PI. I talked him out of it. First of all he is not smart enough, nice guy, just not the brightest bulb on the tree. I asked him if he valued his privacy, he said yes. I asked him why he would want a job that is specificaslly to violate people's privacy. He settled for 50 grand a year at a technical type job.

Maybe I can understand a bit, I remember a discussion. He asked why my bedroom was locked. He asked and commented that when over his house you can go anywhere you want. I replied "That is you". Indeed that is his decision to hide nothing, but he cannot make that decision for me.

I'll have to ask him what he thinks about Iraq and get back to you, probably have another 34 post a day thread :-)

Anyway, be well all.

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RE: Picture ID - 12/31/2006 6:54:30 AM   
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hehe, ching-ow
dunno what misturbashin or MOD11 or anyone else thinks of your little subversions, but I am becoming an avid reader.
enjoyed...ty


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RE: Picture ID - 12/31/2006 10:04:49 AM   
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dunno what misturbashin or MOD11

Funny.
I have an opinion just as anyone does and i like to question peoples opinions. Show me where i have bashed anyone in this thread. As for mod 11 mailing termyn8r - i had nothing to do with it.

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RE: Picture ID - 12/31/2006 11:58:19 AM   
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mgd, you give me way too much tribute. I used to be an asshole, a thug, a hood.

I have grown, I am not that person anymore. In r/l most of my friends have been in prison or didn't get caught. From guys who used to hijack trucks to those who got ahold of a 15,000 watt transmitter amplifier and had the FCC show up at his door with their SWAT team. A guy who did 10 years for manslaughter is now a Father.

I guess this is the type of people I attract. Sordid past but not doing it anymore. All this pales in comparison to some. Mom knew one guy who drank gasoline, another who would jump off an upstairs porch for a dollar. Dad had a chop shop and he and his operatives doubled the value of early 60s Corvettes.

We used to pay our traffic tickets at Frank's bar. Frank was something else. Big wheel in the teamsters and had a few things going. One day a guy owes him money and he hasn't seen him for weeks. Well he sent his boys out to go get the guy, "Bring him to me". The guy thought he was going to die over a couple of hundred bucks, but no. Frank wanted to explain to him that just because he didn't pay, don't go drink somewhere else. Then I'm out the money AND the money I make at the bar. And this was a bar. Off duty cops would walk in with suitcases full of guns for sale. Might be a card game going on in the back. My kind of place. We never ran a tab there :-). At the time we had plenty of money.

There are businesses that were wired with 100% stolen electrical supplies, we know, because we sold them to the electrician. One day our connectgion had to come and retrieve a few rolls of wire because we had it all and the company needed to fill an order.

All this shit was bad, we don't do anything anymore. I work, Dad's retired. While not proud, I can crack a bit of a smile thinking about all we did get away with.

I don't have the guts anymore. What kind of people ? Well the guy who rolled over on the olman was saying "She had a gun" to which he replied "You should've turned your back to her you dumb MF !, dare her to shoot you in the back". What's more all they could get the guy on was auto tampe4ring, a misdemeanor. Stupid fuck turned what could've been played out in court as a prank into almost a federal case. I mean if you are trying to steal a car that is all there is to it, until you open your mouth and hang yourself. Now it is a conspiracy. The dumb shit also did more time than anyone else.

The old days, the old ways are gone. At five out of my last ten legit jobs they had drug testing, "Here hit this, tell me what you think of it". At a couple they sold it too.

For some reason I attract people who some would consider sociopaths at least, some possibly crazy.

I like life now, I like trust better than money. I like friendship better than invoking fear.

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RE: Picture ID - 12/31/2006 6:01:51 PM   
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We used to pay our traffic tickets at Frank's bar. Frank was something else. Big wheel in the teamsters and had a few things going. One day a guy owes him money and he hasn't seen him for weeks. Well he sent his boys out to go get the guy, "Bring him to me". The guy thought he was going to die over a couple of hundred bucks, but no. Frank wanted to explain to him that just because he didn't pay, don't go drink somewhere else. Then I'm out the money AND the money I make at the bar. And this was a bar. Off duty cops would walk in with suitcases full of guns for sale. Might be a card game going on in the back. My kind of place. We never ran a tab there :-). At the time we had plenty of money.


Its amazing how many people live in a fantasy world, men, women, education notwithstanding who have no clu how the undercurrents move a society along...   These kinds of things go on and forever will from the poorest to the richest and the most holy if you will.   big wake up call to some.


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RE: Picture ID - 1/1/2007 5:35:04 AM   
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For whatever reason you go return it. Now when you flipped open your wallet (or purse) and gave them the cash it was "Have a nice day" and you got your change and left. Now comes you again with the item and the reciept wishing to kindly return it in a timely fashion, unopened and unused.

You need picture ID. The guy takes it and props it up on the keyboard for a few seconds and types very fast. That is that type of shit I am against


I am still completely boggled by all this.  I have Never had to show my ID to buy  ( well my car I did )or return a product, alot of times I dont even have the receipt and still I can return it.

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RE: Picture ID - 1/1/2007 11:33:06 AM   
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I think I read it in some newspaper somewhere, that every car that enters London is caught on camera and it registered? I don't remember if they're already doing it or planning to do it? 


True, there was a "ring of steel" built up in the late 80's as a supposed anti-terrorism measure. However now there is another system that is used to collect road tolls

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ORIGINAL: Stephann
If I recall, these cards will also likely have Radio Transmitters that will enable GPS tracking of a citizen.

Technoligically not viable. Point to point tracking as used by London's mass transit system however is perfectly possible and economically viable.
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miss, the chances are if you're white you'll never be asked to produce your ID card.

Sometimes NG, I wonder if you really are living in the same dis-United Kingdom as the rest of us.

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ORIGINAL: missturbation
Honestly though if you have nothing to hide does it really matter? I would rather have the protection of all this than not.

Any form of surveilance or tracking has a neglible impact on safety. Do you feel safer walking down the hight street in the small hours now that CCTV is on every street corner? Has street level crime dropped since its introduction. Shops spend a great deal of money on state of the art systems but still lose out considerably to theft.
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
http://www.guardian.co.uk/race/story/0,11374,835180,00.html

In 2002, a black person was 8 times more likely to be stopped and searched and an asian 3 times more likely than whites.

On the ID cards point, we're already the most watched people in the world (CCTV). We have a camera for every 15 people. We are the first and only country in the world where the movements of all car journeys are recorded on a database and stored.

Lies, damn lies and statistics. I live as stated elsewhere in an area of London where whites make up less than 40% of the population, however being reasonably friendly with a few local cops they are all of the opinion that they will stop a white person on suspicion, whereas anyone else they will want to be damn sure before a stop.  Stop and search is more prevelant in dense urban areas, minorty groups tends to live in dense urban areas, so I think it reasonable to assume that more stop & search in brixton will have a greater impact on figures than the handful of such ocurrences in the shetlands.

As for vehicle tracking. Not true. There is no mass active tracking of vehicle movement, however by calling on a wide range of resources (many outside of government control) it is possible to pick out a target and have it traced to an extent possible that an arrest could be made.

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Let's take the BDSM example. Now they have no real way of tracking who I meet or see. So, if I don't say who I met or saw, it wouldn't go further than me.

If you have all this tracking going on.
Well, they catch me, they would begin almost instantly monitoring everyone I've come in contact with that they thought might be also involved. If they did that now it'd take 100's of agents, but with the system they are proposing, it wouldn't take much more than data mining.


It allready takes little more than data-mining, unless of course you walk everywhere in a fresh disguise every day, draw all your cash once a month and never ever use plastic, a cell-phone or the internet.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Where there is enough public pressure they will have to sit up and take notice.


I'm sorry, on which planet is this exactly? Let me just pick on one, current, topical example. There was a far larger vocal no war with Iraw group than there was pro-war. British troops are in Iraq, riddle me that.





I think it was Ben Franklin said something along the lines of he who would sacrifice a little liberty for a little security deserves neither.

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RE: Picture ID - 1/2/2007 7:41:01 AM   
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It is the price we pay to be secure,


Stop deluding yourself and wasting our tax dollars with Security Theater to make you feel better about your refusal to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for our own safety and security.


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RE: Picture ID - 1/4/2007 4:19:17 AM   
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Miss

this touches on what can be done once rfid is required, lot of other stuff in there too but watch for the part where they talk about using it on people

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6573594099335358512&q=HAARP

more:  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8480695893132260230&q=HAARP

more:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8480695893132260230&q=HAARP

There are many uses for haarp and many articles on it...  Just google haarp.  there is a huge one in upper michigan, they wanted to put it 200 miles north of me but we wouldnt let them

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RE: Picture ID - 1/4/2007 10:06:32 AM   
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miss, the chances are if you're white you'll never be asked to produce your ID card.


Sometimes NG, I wonder if you really are living in the same dis-United Kingdom as the rest of us.

What is the point in a thinly-veiled insult such as the above? It is a complete waste of time and words. You would be much better served discussing the point being made rather than make it personal.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
http://www.guardian.co.uk/race/story/0,11374,835180,00.html

In 2002, a black person was 8 times more likely to be stopped and searched and an asian 3 times more likely than whites.

On the ID cards point, we're already the most watched people in the world (CCTV). We have a camera for every 15 people. We are the first and only country in the world where the movements of all car journeys are recorded on a database and stored.


Lies, damn lies and statistics. I live as stated elsewhere in an area of London where whites make up less than 40% of the population, however being reasonably friendly with a few local cops they are all of the opinion that they will stop a white person on suspicion, whereas anyone else they will want to be damn sure before a stop.  Stop and search is more prevelant in dense urban areas, minorty groups tends to live in dense urban areas, so I think it reasonable to assume that more stop & search in brixton will have a greater impact on figures than the handful of such ocurrences in the shetlands.

Well, it comes down to which opinion holds greatest weight a) Home Office figures or b) the anecdote you have provided. If what you are saying is true then you would expect a fairly consistent mix of stop and searches year on year across various ethnic groups. So, how do you explain the following from the article i.e. Home Office figures?
 
Compared with 2000/2001, the number of stops and searches conducted by the Metropolitan police rose 8% for whites, 30% for blacks and 40% for Asians.

As for vehicle tracking. Not true. There is no mass active tracking of vehicle movement, however by calling on a wide range of resources (many outside of government control) it is possible to pick out a target and have it traced to an extent possible that an arrest could be made.

I can't find a link to say it is actually in place. However, if you read the link below it was planned for March 2006. I'm fairly sure it has been introduced.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article334686.ece



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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Where there is enough public pressure they will have to sit up and take notice.


I'm sorry, on which planet is this exactly? Let me just pick on one, current, topical example. There was a far larger vocal no war with Iraw group than there was pro-war. British troops are in Iraq, riddle me that.

Don't be sorry, just discuss the point. Plain and simple.
 
I disagree. How many people marched in London on the anti-war march? 1 million of a population of 60 million. This doesn't strike me as sufficient public pressure.
 
Also, I was on a march in Manchester recently. Around 25,000 turned up.



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RE: Picture ID - 1/4/2007 11:14:38 AM   
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miss, the chances are if you're white you'll never be asked to produce your ID card.


Sometimes NG, I wonder if you really are living in the same dis-United Kingdom as the rest of us.

What is the point in a thinly-veiled insult such as the above? It is a complete waste of time and words. You would be much better served discussing the point being made rather than make it personal.


Apologies, that was not meant as anything personal, and on reflection I can see how it could all to easily be taken as such. People can only see with their own eyes and only form their own opinons. You wake up and see a different world from me and form different opinions, that is neither your fault nor mine. However it does reflect my (and I think the OPs) opinion that discrimination exists in an opposite form to that which was the accepted norm many years ago
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
http://www.guardian.co.uk/race/story/0,11374,835180,00.html

In 2002, a black person was 8 times more likely to be stopped and searched and an asian 3 times more likely than whites.

On the ID cards point, we're already the most watched people in the world (CCTV). We have a camera for every 15 people. We are the first and only country in the world where the movements of all car journeys are recorded on a database and stored.


Lies, damn lies and statistics. I live as stated elsewhere in an area of London where whites make up less than 40% of the population, however being reasonably friendly with a few local cops they are all of the opinion that they will stop a white person on suspicion, whereas anyone else they will want to be damn sure before a stop.  Stop and search is more prevelant in dense urban areas, minorty groups tends to live in dense urban areas, so I think it reasonable to assume that more stop & search in brixton will have a greater impact on figures than the handful of such ocurrences in the shetlands.

Well, it comes down to which opinion holds greatest weight a) Home Office figures or b) the anecdote you have provided. If what you are saying is true then you would expect a fairly consistent mix of stop and searches year on year across various ethnic groups. So, how do you explain the following from the article i.e. Home Office figures?
 
Compared with 2000/2001, the number of stops and searches conducted by the Metropolitan police rose 8% for whites, 30% for blacks and 40% for Asians.



There was a rapid fall in the number of non-whites subject to stop & search following the Stevens Report. So-called "street crime" rose just as rapidly. Stop and search is the most effective way of gaining arrests for such offences and is also a very good intelligence gathering tool, especially given the new methods of recording every interaction an officer has with a member of the public. If I ask an officer the time, it is recorded in exactly the same was as if I had been searched, and should I say purple when asked my ethnicity that is what must be recorded.

The data you present merely inidicates a difference between two years, it does not give overall figures. Simply put it says more blacks were stopped this year than last, it does NOT indicate how much more likely any one group is to be stopped than any other. However I have just pulled up the Met's own figures for my home area and it actually shows in 2006 (sept) that 4.56 whites per 1000 white were stopped and held to account, compared to 4.52 blacks per 1000 black. given an overall picture a white is actually just as likely to be stopped as a non-white, so the rise is actually a return to something close to parity based on ethnicity.
source  http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/how_are_we_doing/borough/newham_stop_and_search_monitoring_report_september_2006.pdf

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As for vehicle tracking. Not true. There is no mass active tracking of vehicle movement, however by calling on a wide range of resources (many outside of government control) it is possible to pick out a target and have it traced to an extent possible that an arrest could be made.

I can't find a link to say it is actually in place. However, if you read the link below it was planned for March 2006. I'm fairly sure it has been introduced.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article334686.ece



Real-time tracking of movements and recording for later analasys are not the same thing. The only constant real-time tracking is done by private entities. My company tracks vehicle movements for security reasons, some for staff monitoring, Norwich Union can do it to decide how much you should pay for your insurance (although this is not strictly real-time).

The story from the independent merely reflects expanding the current situation and automating it more. a figure of 35 million reads per day is quoted, given the potential number of reads per day given the number of times per day a national cctv system can see a registration plate it is practically a drop in the ocean. I think that number of journeys per day would barely cover one record for one vehicle trip on average.
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Where there is enough public pressure they will have to sit up and take notice.


I'm sorry, on which planet is this exactly? Let me just pick on one, current, topical example. There was a far larger vocal no war with Iraw group than there was pro-war. British troops are in Iraq, riddle me that.

Don't be sorry, just discuss the point. Plain and simple.
 
I disagree. How many people marched in London on the anti-war march? 1 million of a population of 60 million. This doesn't strike me as sufficient public pressure.
 
Also, I was on a march in Manchester recently. Around 25,000 turned up.



I am unaware of any pro-war marches, I do however suspect you would never get 25,000 to attend nationally should you or anyone else try arrange one. I personally would think that 1 in 60 people feeling strongly enough about an issue to publicly protest is politically significant given the effort an individual may need to expend to attend such a protest. For as long as a government makes policy to fit a bank balance or the agenda of a specific focus group no number of protests will make any real difference.

On the topic, I can appreciate why Missturbation feels that the privacy battle is lost, the tide has been against Canute for too long now.

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carrying ID around is merely the prelude to the proposed National ID program that some in Congress would like all American citizens to have

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Very interesting articles - thank you.
As i have said you fight your fight and good luck with it.
I'm not entirely sure why you keep throwing these atricles at me thoug. After all i have never stated i am for the id cards so maybe you are fighting the wrong person here.
My question still stands too. I have answered all yours.
What difference are you actually making in a fight you have already lost?


that is the point, we won, at least for the moment...  that is why i posted it to "show" you it is not unwinnable as you have been led to believe!


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