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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/21/2007 3:52:07 PM   
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OK then Seeks, lets think of some non-whites who portray stupidity and ignorance in the same way.....just for your benefit I'll name them as such.

These same clever marketing people I perceive, realise a stupid black person wouldnt work the same way, since the white majority hold this to be a "true" stereotype.


who display stupidity and ignorance in the same way as what? what are your examples of her ignorance? in relation to the room topic i assume?

well you are unable to give us examples of her alleged racist behaviour on the show as you have never watched the show.

Or are you saying list none whites who have showed there ignorance in the showbiz world in general?

Well as you know Jade was famed for her lack of interlect, but she's also paid a price for it long before the racism card was thrown at her (not by Shilpa, by the press), as i can't recall any other celebraty being called such names in the press, and being the joke of many a storie as like you rightly said they are laughing at her rather than cheering her on...which is exactly why a stupid black/asian person wouldnt be marketed in the same way as then the race card is all too easy to be played. And i don't think i'd be out of line saying that there race, there people, are unable to laugh at themselves as the white race do. Plus what ever the press builds up sooner or later they have to knock down, and the papers are hardly likely to call a black person or a muslim "fat pig" are they? which is why i find it ironic that the people who were so outraged at her bulling of shilpa have called jade names themselves.
Your comment on her chav stereotype on applying to white people is ridiculous though, thats the same as saying chavs are only white, and shows you have obviously never been on an estate in your life. As for blacks and asians not being portrayed as such on tv, again that would be negative sterotyping on there race and is too much of a hot sticky area for network stations

Or are you saying that only whites are stupid and ignorant when in regards to other races?

Thats possibly the most ignorant, blind, politically correct thing one could ever hear.
How many blacks and muslims do you hang around with?
you know of your own races ignorance because you keep company with them, if you believe other races act any different then you're a fool.. the fact that theres segregation from these races shows they want no part of us even more so than we do of them. The fact that, as i've brought up before, the very same week the press got all over a white (half cast) girl for being racist there was footage for the first time from muslim mosques around the UK of them calling jews, christians, homosexuals, america, britain, all evil and that we must die, seems more ignorant to me...although given it hasn't got the same media attention as the big brother house then maybe you are right and whites are all stupid and ignorant.

Multi-racial countries do not work..we need only look to the States for that.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/21/2007 4:02:17 PM   
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Excuse the expletives, but in the circumstances......

WTF!? Have you read anything I have written, bleached?

Mind you, this last post does say it all, I find.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/21/2007 5:12:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bleachedsmiles

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

OK then Seeks, lets think of some non-whites who portray stupidity and ignorance in the same way.....just for your benefit I'll name them as such.

These same clever marketing people I perceive, realise a stupid black person wouldnt work the same way, since the white majority hold this to be a "true" stereotype.


who display stupidity and ignorance in the same way as what? what are your examples of her ignorance? in relation to the room topic i assume?

well you are unable to give us examples of her alleged racist behaviour on the show as you have never watched the show.

Or are you saying list none whites who have showed there ignorance in the showbiz world in general?

Well as you know Jade was famed for her lack of interlect, but she's also paid a price for it long before the racism card was thrown at her (not by Shilpa, by the press), as i can't recall any other celebraty being called such names in the press, and being the joke of many a storie as like you rightly said they are laughing at her rather than cheering her on...which is exactly why a stupid black/asian person wouldnt be marketed in the same way as then the race card is all too easy to be played. And i don't think i'd be out of line saying that there race, there people, are unable to laugh at themselves as the white race do. Plus what ever the press builds up sooner or later they have to knock down, and the papers are hardly likely to call a black person or a muslim "fat pig" are they? which is why i find it ironic that the people who were so outraged at her bulling of shilpa have called jade names themselves.
Your comment on her chav stereotype on applying to white people is ridiculous though, thats the same as saying chavs are only white, and shows you have obviously never been on an estate in your life. As for blacks and asians not being portrayed as such on tv, again that would be negative sterotyping on there race and is too much of a hot sticky area for network stations

Or are you saying that only whites are stupid and ignorant when in regards to other races?

Thats possibly the most ignorant, blind, politically correct thing one could ever hear.
How many blacks and muslims do you hang around with?
you know of your own races ignorance because you keep company with them, if you believe other races act any different then you're a fool.. the fact that theres segregation from these races shows they want no part of us even more so than we do of them. The fact that, as i've brought up before, the very same week the press got all over a white (half cast) girl for being racist there was footage for the first time from muslim mosques around the UK of them calling jews, christians, homosexuals, america, britain, all evil and that we must die, seems more ignorant to me...although given it hasn't got the same media attention as the big brother house then maybe you are right and whites are all stupid and ignorant.

Multi-racial countries do not work..we need only look to the States for that.


First, bleached:  Spell check, correct grammer, punctuation and capital letters are all your friends!!  It would be so much easier to read your spurious opinions if you would make friends with them.
 
Second:  Multi-racial countries do not work???  Huh????  If that's not a racist comment, I don't know what is.  And have you looked at Canada, recently?  I think my country works quite well, thank you very much.  So, are you advocating that each country be dedicated to one "race" and only one "race"??  That's a rather shaky limb you've crawled out onto there.
 
Just my opinion.  Your mileage may vary.

~~edited because I felt like it!  LOL

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/21/2007 5:43:21 PM   
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Who brought up the "race card"???  Respectfully, Seeks, I think your argument has become extemporaneous (provided, made, or put to use as an expedient; makeshift. [again from www.dictionary.com]).


The topic is, or was, about a conflict in the house between two people of a different race, one being white, the other being indian. The race card wasplayed by the press, and the people who hadnt seen he program and understood just what the conflict was about but noted the colour of there skins, so said the white one was obviously racist.
As of tonights show theres now a new conflict in the house between 2 white members, one of them being from america...it will be interesting to see if tomorrows paper reports it as racism...some how i doubt it.

Also as i do not copy and paste from a dictionary which you seem to believe makes you more interlectual  you will fogive me for not having all the time in the world to spend dragging on this topic, but you are quite welcome to spellcheck my posts and retype them for me. 

Also i never said i was against multi-racial countries, or we shouldnt have them, but i do believe they do not work, and anybody with common sense can see they're more a hinder than a benefit...but yes i guess that makes me a racist *roles eyes* (even though you don't even know what race i am)

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/21/2007 5:59:16 PM   
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Excuse the expletives, but in the circumstances......

WTF!? Have you read anything I have written, bleached?

Mind you, this last post does say it all, I find.

E


Sadly i have...you started off by already having an opinion on something you had never seen and asking what others thought. You then continued with your opinion..stressing how ignorant the "whites" in the house were and said it was being expressed by way of racist comments and treatment...having STILL not watched the show. You then went on in further in other posts about how ignorant they are, and something about if you said a certain race all had small ears it would not be considered racist, but i countered that could still be viewed as generalising about a race in a negative way, which is exactly what the press felt about one of the house mates asking "do they all eat with there hands in india"..which was one of the comments the press had a view on being racist which you also agreed on.. having never watched the show or learned of just what the racism was that was directed at Shilpa..  yadda yadda yadda..
And then when it was mentioned you may be slightly on the not too bright side, you went on about how much of an intellectual you are, and that only Rule understands you cause he's also one, and that you hate people who are obnoxious and ignorant lol

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/21/2007 6:04:30 PM   
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I'm imagining all these posts being read in a British accent and my ears are positively DYING of pleasure.

Sorry, it's off topic and inconsiderate. But my imagination approves.

-Wyld

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 12:18:14 AM   
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"Also as i do not copy and paste from a dictionary which you seem to believe makes you more interlectual  you will fogive me for not having all the time in the world to spend dragging on this topic, but you are quite welcome to spellcheck my posts and retype them for me"

~~Also, as I do not copy and paste from a dictionary, which you seem to believe makes you more intellectual, you will forgive me for not having all the time in the world to spend dragging on the tops, but you are quite welcome to spellcheck my posts and re-type them for me.~~

I don't believe that using a dictionary makes me more intellectual, simply more informed and I wanted to be sure everyone knew that I was using the correct word in the correct context.  To prove it is not a "MUTE" point, but rather a "MOOT" point. 

Please study the above corrected post.  The punctuation is correct as is the spelling of the word "intellectual", becuase, quite frankly, "interlectual" detracts from the overall impression of your level of education and intellect.  I'm sure you are far more capable you have demonstrated so far.  And as to your remark about multi-racial counties being a failure, I invite you to show me ANY country that is perfect, regarless of being multi-racial, multi-cultural or, in fact, multi-anything.

~~edited to correct a typo, which I am not to proud to admit to.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 12:30:05 AM   
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And as to your remark about multi-racial counties being a failure, I invite you to show me ANY country that is perfect, regarless of being multi-racial, multi-cultural or, in fact, multi-anything.



A point well made.

Maybe Bhutan is a peaceful part of the world but that's about your lot.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 1:19:31 AM   
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maybe we should ,, drop big brother its past its best for sure .

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 4:07:00 AM   
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The comments about the way bleachedsmiles posts are constructed count for nothing when set against the valid points that are being made. Poplolly's pedantic  post is offensive in the extreme and once again I venture to suggest she would not respond like that if the poster had been  a Black, semi literate, blinged up , street wise  smart ass communicating in meaningless low life jive talk  and strutting his stuff while deciding where to commit his next mugging !

Multiculturalism is a failure.
De facto segregation exists and will increase.
Increase in Religious based tension is certain

The race card is handed out in one direction only. When Asians/Blacks make quite explicitly racist comments on pseudo posh political discussion programmes, Question Time on the BBC for example, nothing is said.

Jade Goody , working class girl, is being pilloried for saying far less then that stupid black Imam or Mullah said on that Ch4 programme. hatred inside the Mosques or some such title.

Lack of perfection in most societies seems to me a pathetic defence of attempts to impose the Utopian ideal of multi culturalism, which doesnt work anywhere.

Just to add that if a certain in profile poster thinks a point of issue on current affairs is a good one then it, the point is almost certainly weak and probably untrue as well !

Being lectured daily by natives of some of the most discriminatory prejudiced societies on Earth eg India just sticks in my craw.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 4:26:20 AM   
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Ok bleached. I’m going to go through all that I’ve posted.

Post 1, CM1
I set the scene to ask a question and then asked the question as to whether what was going on was racism or jealousy. In setting the scene, I gave my opinion that the white contestants appeared to be drawn from the 80% of the population whom I would describe as stupid and ignorant.

Post 2, CM 10
I observed that in my opinion this was not racism per se, but jealousy expressed by means of Shilpa’s most distinguishing feature – ie her ethnic origin.

Post 3, CM 13
I complained that the likes of JG were being extolled for their uneducated, loud mouthed, obnoxious, ignorant and ill mannered behaviour, which I classified as denoting ignorant scum, and also suggested in humour that a caste system based on elitism might be worth considering.

Post 4, CM 14
Update on the news reports coming in at the time, including that Shilpa herself was to announce that she didn’t think it was racism per se. I also posted for the second time, that I thought it was all not down to racism per se, but schoolyard jealousy and bullying.

Post 5, CM 37
An explanation of the difference between observing physical difference in races, and using those observations to determine unsupportable conclusions about races in a racist manner, along with an explanation of how laws on racist treatment work – similar to the laws on defamation and harassment, as to why the police are interested. I missed out though, that it matters not whether the victim complains; a third party complaint is sufficient for the police to be interested, and in this instance we seem to have 30,000 plus such complaints. I also reiterated my jealousy rather than racism opinion.

Post 6, CM 38
Pointing out to Seeks, that racism applies in all directions and that the police are interested in the radical Muslims reported on the Despatches programme of last week in which racist language was used in respect of non Muslims. In addition, indicating that I am an elitist and don’t find skin colour particularly relevant to this mindset, and also that our nation is going down the toilet because of the promotion of the values and attitudes exemplified by JG.

Post 7, CM 39
Responding to Popeye that 30,000 plus complaints means that the police must investigate under the laws we have regarding discriminatory and prejudicial treatment.

Post 8, CM 41
A humorous post, volunteering to take part in the general improvement of JG.

Post 9, CM
Asking MissT whether she had pursued why the police had not investigated racist incidents she had reported.

Post 10, CM 52
Pointing out that griping over apparent police disinterest in racism directed against whites gets us nowhere, and that there are available more than enough means to make a difference on this.

Post 11, CM 53
Indicating the dangers to our nation of holding up JG as a role model, since she is a poster girl only for rude, loud, obnoxious ignorance.

Post 12, CM 55
Pointing out that racism laws do work all ways, but only if people are prepared to make that happen. Observing that since all news programmes are reporting the same thing, and with 30,000 plus complaints, perhaps watching the programme itself does not hinder my holding an opinion. (I don’t need to be in Israel to know that suicide bombings are a bad thing, you know?). Also repeating again my view that all this is about jealousy, expressed in racist terms.

Post 13, CM 62
Dismissing Seeks’ accusation that my intellect has deserted me, and pointing out that there is no connection between working class and stupidity as he had suggested.

Post 14, CM 78
Pointing out that what Rule said was perfectly clear, though had clearly escaped the intellect of others.

Post 15, CM 81
Much the same as Post 14, CM 78, asking Seeks where the error in Rule’s post might lie.

Post 16, CM 91
An explanation of my view that 80% of any population exhibits behaviour I would classify as stupid ignorance, and that this is unaffected by race or ethnicity and pointing out the dangers and error of racist thinking, which typically assigns the stupidity and ignorance of the 80% to the 100%.

Post 17, CM 92
Discussion of the problem in our society, in which the ideal is the lowest common denominator of attitudes, education and awareness, the origin of this and the better way. Also, that whilst we are all valid and have valid opinions, our validity and the validity of our opinion varies between us, dependent on the situation and our specialisation. And assuring Seeks that I make no distinction as to race or ethnicity when discerning stupidity and ignorance.

Post 18, CM 94
Trying to think of prominent people of other races whom I would describe as stupid and ignorant, but I couldn’t think of any. Repeating the dangers of JG as a role model. Commenting that we have a problem in the working class, with people getting ahead.

Post 19, CM 95
An explanation of stupidity as a behaviour rather than a state, and pointing out its lack of correlation with IQ.

Post 20, CM 97
Suggesting it was me who is out of step, since the UK and US seem to have selected fools to power.

Post 21, CM 99
Asking Seeks directly, to tell me what he is complaining about.

Post 22, CM 102
An expression of my disbelief at your miscomprehension of my posts, since you are putting words in my mouth and clearly have not understood much of what I have written.

So, I really do not understand what you are griping at me about?

I have said my piece;
1) its down to jealousy not racism though its expressed in a racist way,
2) the people harassing Shilpa are stupid and ignorant, (please indicate in what way they are not if you disagree),
3) the common view of a diverse media and the number of complaints mean something and especially for the police (who dont waste their time if they can help it).
4) I have explained my position that I detest the low brow aims and ideals of our society and fear for its future if the likes of JG are held to be role models,
5) indicated that there is no connection between class or race and stupid ignorance, or between IQ and stupid ignorance.
6) I even explained some aspects of how racism works as compared to observations of physical differences.

Please, convey to me what it is exactly, in clear language, that your problem is?

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 4:38:00 AM   
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I find it nauseating in the extreme to be lectured about cultural tolerance by people from India, a hotbed of murderous prejudice and discrimination if ever there was one.



Who brought up the "race card"???  Respectfully, Seeks, I think your argument has become extemporaneous (provided, made, or put to use as an expedient; makeshift. [again from www.dictionary.com]).


I have only just noticed this post so here is my response.
The race issue is implicit in the thread in that Jade Goody is being demeaned because of her alleged racial abuse of a "refined" Asian woman. My repeated point is that had the roles been reversed absolutely nothing would have been said.

The word racism is actually in the title of the thread. How about that then?

Extemporaneous in my world means < done without preparation>
Expedient means done to provide advantage or convenience and I have not looked in your link, believe it or not, but I will when I have finished this post.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 4:42:33 AM   
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The comments about the way bleachedsmiles posts are constructed count for nothing when set against the valid points that are being made. Poplolly's pedantic  post is offensive in the extreme and once again I venture to suggest she would not respond like that if the poster had been  a Black, semi literate, blinged up , street wise  smart ass communicating in meaningless low life jive talk  and strutting his stuff while deciding where to commit his next mugging !

This isnt even worth the time of day Seeks, except to request clarification as to whether you characterise all black guys in this way?

Multiculturalism is a failure.

Agreed actually. But there is no way to bring about mono-culturalism either that would be any better. What we need, is for everyone to have the freedom to be themselves as individuals and as groups, without value judgements being made (aside from their words and deeds) - but with an overarching set of common values and an all encompassing common identity. The failure of multiculturalism, if we are to judge it a failure, is in the absence of these latter two elements in our society.

De facto segregation exists and will increase.

Perhaps. But if this is what people want, then they must be free to pursue it, but only in the presence of the overarching values and common identity mentioned above.

Increase in Religious based tension is certain

Well duh! Radical Islam is an enormous problem, against which common identity and values would do better than writing off a whole section of our nation.

The race card is handed out in one direction only. When Asians/Blacks make quite explicitly racist comments on pseudo posh political discussion programmes, Question Time on the BBC for example, nothing is said.

Please provide references of instances of this. I watch a lot of such broadcasts and dont recall any for which the speaker was either not rebuked or removed.
 
If, as is very often the case, the native population are going to be apathetic and cowardly in standing up for their rights, then few of other backgrounds are ever going to be charged with racist behaviour.

Jade Goody , working class girl, is being pilloried for saying far less then that stupid black Imam or Mullah said on that Ch4 programme. hatred inside the Mosques or some such title.

There is an ongoing police investigation Seeks, possibly even, charges have been brought already, making it sub judice.

Lack of perfection in most societies seems to me a pathetic defence of attempts to impose the Utopian ideal of multi culturalism, which doesnt work anywhere.

Please clarify what you mean? I read it that the failure of multi-culturalism is being defended by an overall lack in its perfection? Please show me an example of a society drawn of one culture/ethnicity which is free from problems? People always find something to gripe or fight over.

Just to add that if a certain in profile poster thinks a point of issue on current affairs is a good one then it, the point is almost certainly weak and probably untrue as well !

?

Being lectured daily by natives of some of the most discriminatory prejudiced societies on Earth eg India just sticks in my craw.

True enough. But this aint India.



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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 5:01:17 AM   
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LadyE:
In post 13 you said that some , presumably including JG, should be considered as untouchables and be consigned to cleaning blocked toilets.
In post 14 you mentioned ignorant scum again presumably including JG.

Why did you miss those points out in your list of your own posts purporting to show how reasonable you have been ?

With regard to Black Street muggers, I never said all Blacks were criminals but gave an example of a type, totally deserving of ridicule in my opinion, who are NOT ridiculed due to PC thinking.
In fact when Jim Davidson, a comedian ? , used to imitate Chalkie White a black bus conductor, he Davidson, was hauled over the coals. The imitation was totally innocent and made no political accusations of any kind. However his act was seen as having socio political implications.

You fall into the same trap by constantly calling the JGs of this world role models, when clearly for many, certainly the silent majority, they are not.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 5:18:52 AM   
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I said....
The race card is handed out in one direction only. When Asians/Blacks make quite explicitly racist comments on pseudo posh political discussion programmes, Question Time on the BBC for example, nothing is said.

LadyE said
Please provide references of instances of this. I watch a lot of such broadcasts and dont recall any for which the speaker was either not rebuked or removed.
I do not make a note of the time and date of such programmes. Many times on QT I have seen black people complaining about Blacks who wont date blacks
How interracial marriage is wrong
The general overall  level of racism that exists in the UK, with particular reference to schools local govnt, national government, the police, immigration policy bla bla bla . If they are so dissatisfied then why dont they....err fill in the blanks !!!
The classic I saw, not QT, was when Sikhs from I am pretty sure from B'ham offered up their assessment of the different races. To put it mildly they were less than complementary about Afro Caribbeans (sp?)
 
If, as is very often the case, the native population are going to be apathetic and cowardly in standing up for their rights, then few of other backgrounds are ever going to be charged with racist behaviour.
Apathetic and cowardly !!!***!!!,  it is against the law to insult anyone of a different race and using racial difference as part of that insult. Just as it is as near as makes no difference illegal to take "effective" steps to protect your own property from mostly young white criminals.
This really tho' is a lack of resolve by the upper echelon legal/political types.
How about removing stop and search in say Brixton,, or hand wringing that in the present climate more Muslims are likely to be interrogated on the street under anti terrorist initiatives ?

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 5:27:26 AM   
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LadyE:
In post 13 you said that some , presumably including JG, should be considered as untouchables and be consigned to cleaning blocked toilets.
In post 14 you mentioned ignorant scum again presumably including JG.

Why did you miss those points out in your list of your own posts purporting to show how reasonable you have been ?

With regard to Black Street muggers, I never said all Blacks were criminals but gave an example of a type, totally deserving of ridicule in my opinion, who are NOT ridiculed due to PC thinking.
In fact when Jim Davidson, a comedian ? , used to imitate Chalkie White a black bus conductor, he Davidson, was hauled over the coals. The imitation was totally innocent and made no political accusations of any kind. However his act was seen as having socio political implications.

You fall into the same trap by constantly calling the JGs of this world role models, when clearly for many, certainly the silent majority, they are not.


It was a precis, Seeks; a summary of relevant points, and since the points I so negligently omitted in those instances were already mentioned or were to be mentioned later, I see no issue.

I dont see how the race/ethnicity of a criminal has any bearing on his/her criminality personally, unless its relevant to the crime (such as when race is an aggravating factor for instance).

There is no problem with comedic interpretations and expressions Seeks - there is a south Asian comedian who takes off white people on the Comedy Channel from time to time, and good old Bernard Manning is as popular as ever (including with non whites). The problem is, when the portrayal crosses the line from observation to ridiculous stereotyping. Jim Davidson crossed that line, in much the same way that your comment about black muggers did. That you apparently cannot see the distinction is well, interesting.

Now then JG as a role model. How many lifestyle magazines that are aimed at the female population have you bought in the last couple of years I wonder? She has influence far in excess of any claim to it, I'm afraid.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 5:31:58 AM   
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I said...
Jade Goody , working class girl, is being pilloried for saying far less then that stupid black Imam or Mullah said on that Ch4 programme. hatred inside the Mosques or some such title.

My response to the blue below.
This type of thing has been going on, and has been known to have been occuring for years. Our spineless authorities did nothing. Even now we are constantly told by representatives of the Muslim Council that we must not alienate decent Muslims. Seems to me many already are alienated. Was it not the French who referred to Londonistan ?

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There is an ongoing police investigation Seeks, possibly even, charges have been brought already, making it sub judice.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 5:39:46 AM   
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I fear that in my good manners to answer others's posts, whatever their content, I have fallen guilty of not maintaining good sense by way of discernment as to what is worth answering and what is not.

Looking back, much of what has been directed at me was clearly not worth the time and trouble of a response.

However, since the whole incident about which the initial question was asked is now pretty much over, (apart from the "unwarranted" police investigations), and since the thread is verging dangerously close to portraying certain members in a negative light which they I am sure would like to avoid, I shall not be answering every post that comes to me on this thread any longer, however coherent or incomprehensible it might be.

Thank you to all who gave their opinions on the situation, as that was after all the question asked; not this rambling and ridiculous debate on the state of the nation, for which another thread might well have been the best option.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 5:44:23 AM   
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quote:

Original LadyEllen
I dont see how the race/ethnicity of a criminal has any bearing on his/her criminality personally, unless its relevant to the crime (such as when race is an aggravating factor for instance).


Well the authorities dont agree because the level of criminality by Jamaicans became so high that they required visas of visitors from that island. Dont suppose that will stop the crims. tho'

Also the level of street mugging, even today, carried out by young blacks is so high the authorities becames  alarmed, so what did they do, why they suppressed either the collecting of stats revealing that  or forbade the broadcasting of those stats. Not conducive to good race relations you see, tho' what being mugged a couple of does to you I cant imagine.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/22/2007 7:02:29 AM   
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Jade goody was totally out of order,her career is washed up i hope.But it was very funny seeing her crying on national tv,begging forgiveness for her actions.

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