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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/18/2007 5:09:38 PM

ShiftedJewel

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jewel,
both are a committment.
one willing ;the other not trusted ;
the trusted one ,to live under someone, for life and death, forever is thot to be as phony ,or not real ,as the money deal ,unless you REALLY are SERIOUS ? (.... ARE YOU ?!)
....call me(kill me ; whatever!!!!i am here!...waiting ,for you.)!!!!

James... I didn't understand a damn thing you said here. Could you please re-state it in whole sentences?

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my reason for having a slave/sub is to make my life easier. There is no way I could ever have enough to be done around my home with only myself and one slave living there to warrant a stay at hoe slave to take care of it

My reason, like yours, is to have someone that makes my life easier. I don't work outside the home, so to make my life easier "he" wouldn't either. I don't need the income, I need someone that will be here when I'm here. And in my house, there is plenty to do to keep a couple sub/slaves busy.

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Fair is fair, and everybody contributes one way or another. I'm definitely not working my ass off to support someone in my household who does not contribute, eg, someone who sits around playing Xbox all day and does not work either in the house or outside of it.

Exactly!! They would most definately have to contribute, just not financially. And I agree, they also won't be sitting around all day playing video games.

But I think in the beginning of this thread the point I was trying to make was that there are soooo many complaining about female dominants that want money and how it's a major red flag to them... but what about the ones that don't want the money? The males around here (ok, the ones I've run into anyway) still run like hell when you make it clear that you don't want their paycheck every week.

At least I think that's what it was about, I didn't re-read it and can't remember that far back.

Jewel

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/18/2007 5:14:50 PM

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I ask for tribute for all non-live in slaves simply because time I spend on them is time lost to me. Mainly because they come and go as the wind changes directions.

My personal slaves pay their way with good "old fashioned" servitude. Some times I think I was born in the wrong time period... I love horses (all sick pervs just ignore that) and get this great giddy feeling of contentment when looking at my slaves worshipping at my feet or scampering around completing their chores under my watchful gaze.

A lot of female find that they can make a living off of males who want to serve like they schedule bussiness meetings once a week and every other office election!

I am not one of them though I seem to get lumped with them because I expect something for my time. Mostly I think they are just complaining about it because they can and I hope most of us on here are sincere in our quest for the new slave to adore us and worship us, with or without credit card payments! LOL

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/18/2007 9:42:31 PM

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I hope it's alright that I post here since I am obviously not a Mistress ;)

But wow, wouldn't a slave want to contribute in some way? Even if it's not with money I mean I would think most subs/slaves would like to do somthing for their dominant. I think the male slaves that complain about finding a Mistress who is atentive and kind but expects a little work on their part are crazy, they don't realize how lucky they are to have found a Dominant at all. It just blows my mind :O

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/18/2007 10:03:51 PM

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I think the male slaves that complain about finding a Mistress who is atentive and kind but expects a little work on their part are crazy, they don't realize how lucky they are to have found a Dominant at all. It just blows my mind :O

It blows our minds too WestWanderer, but fortunately they aren't all like that.

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/18/2007 10:12:30 PM

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I think this is a silly question; because most Dommes really haven't meet a truely submissive man. If they had, then money wouldn't mean crap. It really doesn't matter how much he makes. What matters is his devotion to the one he has given himself too. There is a double standard on most of this lifestyle. Everybody believes that a woman can give herself, but hardly anybody believes a man can. That is a pity, because so many, will never find the one.
Most men are game players, it is their nature. It comes from the days of the hunt. Times have changed.

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/18/2007 10:38:38 PM

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I don't know if it's fair to say that most men are game players, theres a fair ammount of us who aren't. Of course I suppose there are quite a bit of people, men and women who don't really understand what it is they want. I know that as a submissive I want to serve and make my Dominant happy and as I said earlier that it just blows my mind that there are submissives who want somthing for nothing.

Thank you BlkTallFullfig for the welcome :)

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/19/2007 12:12:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: MistressFeathers

Pretty much what LadyPact & TexasMaam said

Thank you, Mistress Feathers. Quite baffling, isn't it?

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/20/2007 2:01:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: pixelslave

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ORIGINAL: LadyOunce

Monetary compensation towards the household should be based on how much of the household expenses that they use. If a slave is a full time, live in slave, they should be paying their full share of the expenses. If they spend several days a week, then there should be some compensation for food and such things. This isn't payment for services rendered but rather respect for the dominant and her household.

This seems perfectly logical to me! In a 24/7 situation, if a vanilla couple lived together, most would normally share expenses in some negotiated manner. It wouldn't seem unreasonable to me to expect the same in a D/s oriented relationship.

- pixel

I was about to say the same pixelslave, Ill just chip in as well though and say that I agree with LadyOunce too.

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/20/2007 2:15:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: ladyofthecastle

I ask for tribute for all non-live in slaves simply because time I spend on them is time lost to me. Mainly because they come and go as the wind changes directions.

So the reason you charge non-live in slaves is because the time you spend on them is lost to you, I take it that is because you feel that unless they are live-in slaves you are wasting your time but if thats the case then why waste your time? Your obviously not getting anything out of it so you want financial re-embursement so I cant see that you do it for any other reason than financial re-embursement.

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/20/2007 2:35:26 PM

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did you get burned or rejected by a strong woman, possibly a woman with a lot of sexual power who knew just how to use it? ...just curious.

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/20/2007 2:58:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: MissMarryMac

did you get burned or rejected by a strong woman, possibly a woman with a lot of sexual power who knew just how to use it? ...just curious.

Why are you saying that? Its just looks stupid to me. All I said was that she wants financial re-embursment because she gets nothing out of non-live in slaves. She did actually say they are time lost on her, I said the same thing as she did. If theres nothing to be gained from something then why bother? In this case there is money to be gained so thats why she bothers and thats what she was saying.

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/20/2007 3:20:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: MuscleyandCute

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ORIGINAL: ladyofthecastle

I ask for tribute for all non-live in slaves simply because time I spend on them is time lost to me. Mainly because they come and go as the wind changes directions.

So the reason you charge non-live in slaves is because the time you spend on them is lost to you, I take it that is because you feel that unless they are live-in slaves you are wasting your time but if thats the case then why waste your time? Your obviously not getting anything out of it so you want financial re-embursement so I cant see that you do it for any other reason than financial re-embursement.

I gotta say he makes a good point, using your own words against you. I understand the coming and going comment, but i choose instead to screen a little more heavily rather than waste my time

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/20/2007 3:34:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: MissMarryMac

did you get burned or rejected by a strong woman, possibly a woman with a lot of sexual power who knew just how to use it? ...just curious.

'MuscelyandCute' is the most recent incarnation of one of our long time prodom haters, formerly known as 'McWhips.' There aren't enough Sherpa in Nepal to carry his baggage.

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/20/2007 3:36:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: MissMarryMac

did you get burned or rejected by a strong woman, possibly a woman with a lot of sexual power who knew just how to use it? ...just curious.

'MuscelyandCute' is the most recent incarnation of one of our long time prodom haters, formerly known as 'McWhips.' There aren't enough Sherpa in Nepal to carry his baggage.

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/20/2007 4:02:48 PM

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I really don't think that taking my dry cleaning in or raking my yard or putting $10 dollars in my gas tank is really all that "Financially Re-imbursing."

I do not charge $400 for an ass paddling. A small tribute for my time spent on each individual. I have never had any complaints because I am not outragous and demand they pay my rent. I have full time supervisor position for a security firm.

If I come to your farm and train your horse for 3 hours to jump fences it is going to cost you over $200, to train a person to put on tack

and how to prance and move properly will take longer then 3 hours and I will more then likely walk away with a new riding crop and some gas in my car. I really don't see how some people can judge. As I am offering a service that I have expertise in and you are getting basicly getting training or an experience you are looking for.

Oh well it's just been a long day... so don't mind if I seem as little cranky... *looks around floor at feet*

now where did pet run off too?

Lady Ann

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/20/2007 4:03:22 PM

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I can't say that I recall what your old profile said, but nothing earth-shattering is jumping out at me in the new one. Was there something special I was supposed to notice? I'm guessing you're not referring to the multitude of spelling, punctuation and grammatical errors.

~stef

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/20/2007 4:05:49 PM

MuscleyandCute

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ORIGINAL: hereyesruponyou

I gotta say he makes a good point, using your own words against you. I understand the coming and going comment, but i choose instead to screen a little more heavily rather than waste my time

It only takes a bit of intelligence. You sould say that I was using her words against her but I feel I was extrapolating what she said.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Extrapolate%20

I can usually see through what people say. Often Dommes will use semantics to make things appear different. One of the most common ones is where they will say "This is a hardship in some way so I must have money for it"  There is an invisible implication or "subliminal message" here which is not in words and it is "I HAVE to go through this hardship so the money is deserved" but of course they dont have to. The reason it creates the impression that she has to do it is because it leads the reader into a kind of empathy with the Domme due to the fact human nature is most often empathetic to others plights hence will take the freindly view. But in reality though its just psychological manipulation even though they arent concious or aware that they are doing it.

The simple truth is is that the Domme doesnt have to charge money, but if she wants to make money then she charges. Its so simple.  You cant have somoene unsatisfied with a situation yet do it for money say that they dont do it for the money, and thats because they said they arent satisfied with it.

Its as simple as that.

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/20/2007 4:42:41 PM

MuscleyandCute

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ORIGINAL: ladyofthecastle

I really don't think that taking my dry cleaning in or raking my yard or putting $10 dollars in my gas tank is really all that "Financially Re-imbursing."

I do not charge $400 for an ass paddling. A small tribute for my time spent on each individual. I have never had any complaints because I am not outragous and demand they pay my rent. I have full time supervisor position for a security firm.

If I come to your farm and train your horse for 3 hours to jump fences it is going to cost you over $200, to train a person to put on tack and how to prance and move properly will take longer then 3 hours and I will more then likely walk away with a new riding crop and some gas in my car. I really don't see how some people can judge. As I am offering a service that I have expertise in and you are getting basicly getting training or an experience you are looking for.

Oh well it's just been a long day... so don't mind if I seem as little cranky... *looks around floor at feet* now where did pet run off too?

Lady Ann

Well its often a safe assumption nowadays of course to think that when a Domme mentions the word tribute that this means a lot more than $10, people here should know that. However you did refer to the non-live in subs as lost time to you, so this naturally gave me as it would anyone the impression that you would ask for more than for instance $10. It seem now as though the non-live in subs are not such a waste of time as you orginally made out to be but only a slight waste of time because you only ask for $10 of gas?!

I think the problem here lies in the fact that everyone needs to have some kind of personal value, Im know that Dommes do or else they wouldnt be human. I think the guys who have a hang up about it do so because they have a sense of self worth. They know that when a Domme asks for anything more than what is conventionally fair such as examplified in LadyOunces post as above they start to feel that their value as a human being is threatened and I know that Dommes would feel the same in an equivalent situation. This is because anything asked of
someone above the mutual and reciprocol is not really being treated as a human but edges more on the side of commodity. Women are well known for hating being commoditized but men dont like it either. The sentiments of male subs towards Dominants who ask for more than the conventionally mutual and reciprocal are no different from anyone else and pretty normal.

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/20/2007 4:56:43 PM

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Sigh....I thought he was McWhips again.
Thank you for the heads up, stef.

McWhips or Muscley, you state on your profile that "90%
of the dommes are here for the money." Do you have the
statistics to back that claim?

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RE: I couldn't help it... What about the Mistress's tha... - 3/20/2007 5:29:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Sigh....I thought he was McWhips again.
Thank you for the heads up, stef.

McWhips or Muscley, you state on your profile that "90%
of the dommes are here for the money." Do you have the
statistics to back that claim?

Funny you should mention and thanks for opening another interesting can of worms. On the UK listings it would seem that way so thats where I gathered that from. You are in the US though. There are some really odd things though. I dont really send messages to Dommes in collarme I just let Dommes message me. The reason I seldom message Dommes in the UK is because firstly it appears 90% are there for money perhaps 95% this means that it takes too much time to trapse around to find what I would be interested in let alone really really scrutinize an interesting profile I might have found to get the best possible idea as to whether the extremely well thought out articulate intelligent message that I devote a good amount of time on is not going to be responded to with an Email asking me to send some money for a photograph or a pair of knickers. The funny thing is though that the messages I do get from Dommes are more often than not from ones in the US and they are often stunning, but I am not always that convinced because I think there must be something wrong with them to want a sub from all the way over here when they are that good looking. This could imply that the 90% figure is wrong when refering to the US Dommes but who knows.

Having said that, within only the1st 5 minutes of being on a Vanilla personals site I got 2 messages from women telling me they want to tie me up and gag me etc. So in this case I think it could be that when the site is Vanilla its 0% but when the site is specifically a BDSM one it will be more like 90% but never any less than roughly 60% I would say. People are right when they say BDSM is not about sex, it seems to be largely about money when you really look at it. I think that is a real pity myself Im sorry I know what you all think but on a Vanilla dating site they would have you hung drawn and Quartered for that.

I dont really want to hang about in a Mistress gang bang thread anymore now I need to go to bed, goodnight.

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