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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/3/2007 8:12:30 PM

reamer

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"The fact is to concentrate on people who post on a message board would probably make the smallest pool of people that one could possibly define in a search outside of people who live too far from a major city. Sounds noble when writing something like that, but realistically not wise when you truly break down the numbers."

if you really wish to break down numbers, then you need to break down ~

* how many fake femsubs are complained about vs. fake doms

* how many femsubs have almost NO info in their profile

* regionality of someone's profile you are looking at or your own

* how many people have been caught out with "blogs" that do not match their profile at all

what you stated above could well be true, however, in essence, it basically asks us to give an overly huge benefit of the doubt to a demographic that has been complainerd about as having too many fakes for too long, whereas there have not been that many complaints about women who post being fakes by comparison. If you want to bring up #'s and probabilities, that should be taken into acount.

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/3/2007 8:47:47 PM

toservez

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quote:

ORIGINAL: reamer

"The fact is to concentrate on people who post on a message board would probably make the smallest pool of people that one could possibly define in a search outside of people who live too far from a major city. Sounds noble when writing something like that, but realistically not wise when you truly break down the numbers."

if you really wish to break down numbers, then you need to break down ~

* how many fake femsubs are complained about vs. fake doms

* how many femsubs have almost NO info in their profile

* regionality of someone's profile you are looking at or your own

* how many people have been caught out with "blogs" that do not match their profile at all

what you stated above could well be true, however, in essence, it basically asks us to give an overly huge benefit of the doubt to a demographic that has been complainerd about as having too many fakes for too long, whereas there have not been that many complaints about women who post being fakes by comparison. If you want to bring up #'s and probabilities, that should be taken into acount.

I am sorry but for the concentrate on the people who post to have any legit merit as a reasonable pool you would have to be a huge cynic and I am not that negative of a person.

How many people post? Maybe one hundred or even five hundred optimistically? Out of those how many are looking and not already taken and are the right gender or role for the person looking. You are probably leaving less than three people per state. I personally will not believe that there is less than one to three legit person per state on the other side that does not post.

My original point is, instead of being negative, venting one’s frustration in a public forum, writing and making artificial demands and time tables that will scare away the sincere or for them to just bypass you, making yourself look unattractive by doing this and all the time and energy that in the end is hurtful or futile in one’s search or you can learn and be more discerning when reading and replying to a profile, learn how to write a profile and messages that will attract the sincere people, learn how to read the sincere person and how to ask for verification and moving forward toward real time in a positive and productive way.

I am sure it would be nice if preventing fakes and attracting the sincere was mutually inclusive but it is not and my advice is if your goal is to truly find your one, you are far better off going after the sincere and not trying to destroy the fake.

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/3/2007 8:55:48 PM

reamer

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"I am sorry but for the concentrate on the people who post to have any legit merit as a reasonable pool you would have to be a huge cynic and I am not that negative of a person."

that's fine, but you probably heard about "Emma" in the UK in the news this week, who scammed men out of roughly $16,000 USD and even claimed to have cancer to get some of that $.

Or the woman who only in her early 20's poisoned her Marine hubby just to score $250,000 in order to get her boob job and pay for sex parties and new clothes, as proven by the NCIS investigation and her subsequent CONVICTION.

I understand what you are saying, but what you look at as "negative", I look at as having a brain in one's head, being reasonably self protective. What you look at as "positive" and/or "open-hearted", I look at (from a male perspective), as being a hapy-go-lucky, self-endangering IDIOT.

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/4/2007 6:32:38 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: reamer

"I am sorry but for the concentrate on the people who post to have any legit merit as a reasonable pool you would have to be a huge cynic and I am not that negative of a person."

that's fine, but you probably heard about "Emma" in the UK in the news this week, who scammed men out of roughly $16,000 USD and even claimed to have cancer to get some of that $.

Or the woman who only in her early 20's poisoned her Marine hubby just to score $250,000 in order to get her boob job and pay for sex parties and new clothes, as proven by the NCIS investigation and her subsequent CONVICTION.

I understand what you are saying, but what you look at as "negative", I look at as having a brain in one's head, being reasonably self protective. What you look at as "positive" and/or "open-hearted", I look at (from a male perspective), as being a hapy-go-lucky, self-endangering IDIOT.

And these sorts of scams were being pulled off before there was an internet. It's not new, you just hear about it more often these days.

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE hit-and-r... - 2/4/2007 12:39:28 PM

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First of all, I fear for the sanity of people who address others that they find not to be real. How can a dom(me) wish to meet someone that they can't even believe is real..amusing... How can they say they want someone to relocate when they will not even come to spend a few days in the forum to see if it is where they want to be...amusing.

Then there are the doms who say they are overwhelmed with....well, whatever it is they are overwhelmed with that means they can't return and reply to those who have answered their query. Do these people ever check out the replies to their questions from the subs and slaves who fit their criteria?

Enquiring minds want to know...but not that much, they don't. If you don't choose to believe in me, then I choose not to believe in you....

Laura

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/4/2007 8:01:12 PM

lapresence

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As an observation based completely on my experience with Sir, it took Him months for me to be comfortable meeting Him. He was patient and understanding that I needed time to get my barings and for Him to build the trust necessary for me to meet with Him for dinner. I am grateful that He took such time, because if someone expected me to be on the phone nearly immeadiately and to go visit someone, I'd have majorly freaked out. Patience is sometimes necessary. We subs are eager, but we have to protect ourselves first. Just my observation on the little I know of the situation. Perhaps if you weren't in such a rush. And I am not saying you might not have a point. But perhaps my experience may explain some of the issues you are having.

On a complete side note, perhaps also your age and level of experience might raise flags. I know when I saw 25 and your description, it raised red flags with me. I'm not saying you aren't real and have the experience you say you do, but I do know I would be very, very cautious about such a situation. Especially as it is painted so prettily.

Good luck in your search, I wish you both the best.

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/4/2007 8:35:31 PM

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To Jewel...I understand your frustration, especially as how we are stuck here in the midwest and as you have said the R/L interactions are less than favorable, esp in Indianapolis..:0)...But also realize coming from the sub side of the slash, to have someone come on and say to the general sub/slave public that it is loaded with fakes, tends to send up hackles. When Dommes are being attacked for such "fakery" and the like,I have no doubt that maybe you feel just a bit insulted for the generalized statement.Also to see that it is someone new to this site,tends to make me think..oooooo they are seeking a McSub...that instant gratification thing that is so prevelent in the world....do not despair sweet Jewel,he will come when he is supposed to..:0).....Tempting

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/5/2007 4:24:08 AM

ShiftedJewel

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TemptingNviceSub

To Jewel...I understand your frustration, especially as how we are stuck here in the midwest and as you have said the R/L interactions are less than favorable, esp in Indianapolis..:0)...But also realize coming from the sub side of the slash, to have someone come on and say to the general sub/slave public that it is loaded with fakes, tends to send up hackles. When Dommes are being attacked for such "fakery" and the like,I have no doubt that maybe you feel just a bit insulted for the generalized statement.Also to see that it is someone new to this site,tends to make me think..oooooo they are seeking a McSub...that instant gratification thing that is so prevelent in the world....do not despair sweet Jewel,he will come when he is supposed to..:0).....Tempting

Actually.... no, I don't. I know it's true and it just makes life that much harder for the people that really are searching for the genuine article. I really don't get it... if the shoe is on the other foot I'm just as quick to join in the frakus and bitch about dominant "weekend warriors". Ok... so some of the subs/slaves here take offense to the generalizations... big freakin' deal... it's the truth. The point is that no one said ALL the subs/slaves here are fake.. or whatever you wanna call it... and to take offense to that is like taking offense to the statement that there are a lot of hispanics in Mexico... IT'S TRUE!!! And no sugar coating in the world is going to make it less true. Those that are genuine should take some solice in the fact that they aren't talking about you. But you know me... I'm not one to ignore the eight hundred pound gorilla in the kitchen because it might offend someone if I mention it.

Jewel

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/6/2007 8:08:55 PM

MomentsofHistory

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I get the gyst from a few posts here that some people may believe that people are "wannabe's" or fakes because they dont enjoy the lifestyle or the activities in the same way...

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/6/2007 9:54:32 PM

cjenny

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ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomCpl4RTslave

First of all I find most not to be real. How can a sub/slave meet someone that they can't even call to see if they are for real..amusing...How can they say they are willing to relocate when they will not even come to spend a few days in a home to see if it is where they want to be...amusing
Then there are the subs/slaves who say they are overwhelmed with emails.
Do these women ever check out the profiles of the Doms/Dommes or couples that fit thier criteria?
inquiring minds want to know
Mistress L

Actually "L"...I'm pretty sure your observation is quite correct, most of who you will find on sites such as this are into it for the entertainment value. Another observation comes from this thread itself; most of the folks who are implying that you are over reacting, aren't even looking themselves, so they are basing their opinions on, well, er, damned...not sure actually. Hang in there, occasionally you run it one now and then, that isn't here just for the on-line entertainment.

ScooterTrash
I think you are correct in saying that those not looking have a totally different origin of response. I've noticed that in many threads, but I haven't kept track to see if it is more than coincidence. The nonlookers, nl..they are very good with solid knowledge. Physical things. Now tenuous & things of a more *i know im going to say this wrong* beginners emotional advice or obvious noob advice well the nl's aren't as good at. Possibly it boils down to a certain type of emotional investment? Why bother to invest in something they've no interest in. Oops no.. many post with negativity. Sigh, I don't know why but there are levels here.
I think their patience is gone when it comes to threads like this, seen it-done it a billion times. I'm sure one day I will feel a bit irritated that folks hit an old subject & treat it as if new.
Once I get brave enough I want to start a thread on this subject lol, thanks ScooterTrash.

Okay the above is a GENERALISATION ONLY. It doesn't mean it is valid or fact.

OP, yes it is hard but give it time and give people a chance. Instead of testing, maybe you could just try to get to know them? Use the chat feature or the forum or just plain email them. Not many will agree to travel and stay at a home until they feel comfortable, being rushed isn't always comfortable.

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/7/2007 5:06:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MomentsofHistory

I get the gyst from a few posts here that some people may believe that people are "wannabe's" or fakes because they dont enjoy the lifestyle or the activities in the same way...

Granted that's part of what is being said here... but has nothing to do with the OP... that's more along the line of how unrealistic some people are about relocation sight unseen... or supposedly relocating sight unseen. She said nothing about people not viewing the lifestyle the same way she does. It's a literacy thing... or lack of.

Jewel

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/7/2007 5:35:34 AM

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According to a scientific study that was conducted a couple of days ago on this board, the greatest majority of people here by far are either fake or pretending to be fake.

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/7/2007 5:42:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

According to a scientific study that was conducted a couple of days ago on this board, the greatest majority of people here by far are either fake or pretending to be fake.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i would like to meet the posters pretending to be fake! LOL

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/7/2007 6:48:44 AM

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*raises hand*

i'm a fake pretending to be fake

*giggles*

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/7/2007 7:00:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

We are to the point where we believe them, or we will, when they actually make it to the front door.

On a unicorn.

I've decided that's the new phrase I am going to add to the end of my fortune cookie fortunes. You know, instead of, "in bed."

As someone who has been told by others on here that I am a fake, just because I ripped them to pieces for not reading my profile (which pretty clearly states what I am and am not looking for) I am going to take this with a grain of salt. After all, how long have I been here, how genuine am I on my profile, and how real are my posts? I think a lot of people would tell you I've been here a while, I'm pretty blunt and to the point on my profile, and my posts give a pretty deep insight into who I am (sometimes).

I've definitely looked at people's profiles. I've sent messages numerous times. I've even met people off of here. I have friends who are on here that I knew in real life first.

I would say that a lot of Doms on here (and I won't say most because I haven't met enough to say) are fakes. I would also say that a lot of Doms are genuine. Some just aren't my type. Then there are those who don't understand that I am looking for friends, and that doesn't mean I want them to try to push their way into my life as something more than that, it means they need to get to know me better right here and now and then maybe, just maybe they'll get something else from me. This is, in a large part, for reasons that have already been mentioned here. A friendship usually isn't so strong an emotional attachment to someone that you are going to be incredibly broke up about it if two weeks down the road it turns out to have been a joke. A friendship gives you time to get comfortable enough with someone to maybe give them your e-mail address, instant messenger name, eventually your phone number.

Another great way to have my trust a lot sooner is to make intelligent posts to the boards on a number of subjects. After all, if you're willing to do that, and your insights are what I'd expect of someone who has been around this world for a while (whether or not I agree with them) you suddenly look a whole lot less likely to be a fake to me.

As always, sorry to anyone I may offend or who may disagree with me. These are just my opinions and thoughts after a couple years of this madness. :)

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/7/2007 7:42:01 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: twicehappy

We are to the point where we believe them, or we will, when they actually make it to the front door.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

On a unicorn.

quote:

ORIGINAL:

I've decided that's the new phrase I am going to add to the end of my fortune cookie fortunes.

Hon, Unicorn is a euphemism for a male subbie. You know one horn and mostly mythological.

quote:

A friendship usually isn't so strong an emotional attachment to someone that you are going to be incredibly broke up about it if two weeks down the road it turns out to have been a joke. A friendship gives you time to get comfortable enough with someone to maybe give them your e-mail address, instant messenger name, eventually your phone number.

Our issue is that Jewel, as well as the rest of us have sometimes spend months getting to know these subbies i was talking about. Hell there is one she has been talking to for a year.

They have , for the most part, made it to the talking on the phone stage. They are all gung ho until it is time to meet then poof, gone.

If they are not interested then say so and stay friends.

It is not the loss of something dear that hurts. It is being repeatedly played. It is feeling like there is something undesirable about you. Hey your good enough to play with but i do not think enough of you to even remain your friend. Not even thanks for the fantasy.

Yes i know nobody has the right to expect anything from anybody. Maybe i am too old, i still think courtesy should be common.

quote:

Another great way to have my trust a lot sooner is to make intelligent posts to the boards on a number of subjects. After all, if you're willing to do that, and your insights are what I'd expect of someone who has been around this world for a while (whether or not I agree with them) you suddenly look a whole lot less likely to be a fake to me.

If you look at our post balances between the three of us you might be amazed, yet even that evidently does not always help.

I just think that for too many this is an outlet, a fantasy. They do not stop and think about the damage they do to those who genuinely are seeking for something more. Perhaps this has a great deal to do with all the complaints about fakes and poser.

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/7/2007 8:55:25 AM

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I have this problem too........ no matter how many intelligent, thoughtfully written out posts, that are full of subserviant behavior........... no matter how many times i impress everyone with my wit.....

i just can not seem to find a Dom. They are like a blue needle in a yellow haystack = ( i have been on CM for 2 YEARS and nothing...... at times i feel abit miffed, i wonder what is wrong with the world. Do they not see my charms? My grace? My Humility? My lack of spelling? My cute stuffed animals that surround me and fill me up? WHAT is WITH this world. i knooooooooooooooooo i'm special.

(edited to note - i'm feeling full of shit today?)

< Message edited by Devilslilsister -- 2/7/2007 8:56:45 AM >

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/7/2007 10:26:58 AM

littlesarbonn

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ORIGINAL: Devilslilsister

I have this problem too........ no matter how many intelligent, thoughtfully written out posts, that are full of subserviant behavior........... no matter how many times i impress everyone with my wit.....

i just can not seem to find a Dom. They are like a blue needle in a yellow haystack = ( i have been on CM for 2 YEARS and nothing...... at times i feel abit miffed, i wonder what is wrong with the world. Do they not see my charms? My grace? My Humility? My lack of spelling? My cute stuffed animals that surround me and fill me up? WHAT is WITH this world. i knooooooooooooooooo i'm special.

(edited to note - i'm feeling full of shit today?)

Maybe I should become a Dom. Perhaps it's just an alternative way of "serving" a woman, by giving her the domination that she desires. Okay, maybe it wouldn't work, but the whole cute stuffed animals things got to me. I got lots of them, too! They all have names, too. Oh, probably said too much. Back to creepy status, I guess.

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/7/2007 2:29:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: Devilslilsister

(edited to note - i'm feeling full of shit today?)

So go take an enema!

Cute fuzzys btw.

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RE: JUST AN OBSERVATION AND OPINION ABOUT THE subs/slav... - 2/7/2007 2:31:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

, but the whole cute stuffed animals things got to me. I got lots of them, too! They all have names, too. Oh, probably said too much. Back to creepy status, I guess.

It is ok hon, i have a lamb named Sheepdog and a Harley bear named Bear.

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