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Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/11/2007 2:57:56 PM)
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
ok fine, lets go.
Support your 5 accusations:
1) List the contradictions:
....First sentance..."No those unreal dollars cant buy 20 bucks worth of silver." third sentance..."Those un-real dollars are used to buy more silver and build bigger facilities to store it in and pay the army of gauds protecting it." You are saying that it can and that it can not, don't you see a contradiction? everyone else does.
2) List what those contradictions "show this is about"
I do not know why you keep posting such nonsense. I have no idea what you are about. Just that you post nonsense, and I like to point it out. Why you are pushing the liberty dollar thing( you brought it into 2 threads), I assume you are trying to make money off of it.
3) List the nonsense being pushed here
The entire concept of the liberty dollar
4) How are people getting ripped off
They are paying 6 dollars above a regular dealer to buy silver. And if they buy the silver or the paper, they CAN NOT convert it back into money. Nor can they spend it, excpet in a few stores. Norfed is trying to pretend you can spend it like regular money. You made the completely false claim that you can buy 4 gallons of gas for a dollar with liberty dollars. The "currency" has experienced 100% inflation in less than 10 years. It is a scam for peopel dumb enough to buy into the BS you constantly post.
5) What scheme
The Liberty Dollar
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1 (re your statement: But a 20 dollar bill is worth 20 dollars. It is legal tender. A real 20 dollar bill can be traded for 20 dollars of silver (close to 1.5 oz of pure silver, "No those unreal dollars cant buy 20 bucks worth of silver."
You are lying!
20 dollars of silver is not worth a 20 dollar fed note.
It is worth more than a 20 dollar fed note.
The price of silver is spot+markup as i originally indicated before you started this fiasco.
You cannot buy 20 dollars of silver from the market for a 20 dollar fed note as i went on in that paragraph to explain.
you however would like to mislead people to believe that a 20 buck fed note will buy 20 bucks of silver with no exchange rate applied. markup. (get it?)
Again its spot+markup and the margin is based on quantity etc. That translates into base price plus markup and the markup decreases with greater quantity for the disingenuous, reading and or comprehension impaired who would like to falsely give the impression it is otherwise.
The cycle replaces fed notes with silver certs, fed notes get sent back to the feds silver to we the people. Eventually no one uses them.
Translated that means over time as silver again becomes popular after people start wising up, then only the feds and wise economists like you will be using fed notes. clear as mud?
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ORIGINAL: ORIGINAL: luckydog1
But a 20 dollar bill is worth 20 dollars. It is legal tender. A real 20 dollar bill can be traded for 20 dollars of silver (close to 1.5 oz of pure silver, "No those unreal dollars cant buy 20 bucks worth of silver."
Now i understand why you cant use the forum quoting system as it was designed to be used. you cannot connect the dots of what is being discussed unless its is inserted immediately within the text. It also serves as an indicator why your investigative abilities are so challenged on the subject of conspiracies. In candor.
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Why you are pushing the liberty dollar thing( you brought it into 2 threads)
you are again are being disingenuous and misdirecting the point.
After reading 2 threads on the subject you are still clueless as to the "thrust and point" of the threads?
In addition if you had any questions or misunderstandings there are hundreds if not thousands of sites out there that explain this and you still dont understand?
1) me NOT pushing "liberty dollar" THING.
i set that as an example that many "real" money exchange houses do in fact exist, not as an advertisemement for personal gain as your evil mind concocted.
2) i am in no way affiliated with any form of money or metals exchange house.
Translated for the disingenuous, impaired, or otherwise comprehension challenged, "that means i do not make a profit as a result of money exchange either directly or indirectly". get it?
3) get rid of the federal reserve
the feds write money from thin air with nothing to back it up, worthless money. get it?
Translation: Number 3 explains both the concept and what i am pushing for those who are incapable of connecting the dots of the thrust of this thread.
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1 They are paying 6 dollars above a regular dealer to buy silver
1) Again that was an example site for people to check out to illustrate it exists, the things discussed here are not a fantasy, and as courtesy to the readers to offer a convenient site with basic info on the subjects discussed, there are other sites there are other methods. If you do not like the cost seek out an alternative dealer or method for christ sake.
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne i can get 99.99% silver bullion coins for 35 cents above spot.
2) i specifically clarified my costs by stating that i can buy for roughly 35 cents over spot
you use the highest price listed of 6 bucks which is one of many prices and again misrepresent it by completely discarding my statement of 35 cents over base!! you try to discredit it by claiming its 17 times higher than the options i stated.
You take a worst case scenario, one dealers highest markup to represent the typical to mislead and discredit the method of exchange that the founding fathers so thoughtfully and carefully established for this country. It demonstrates both lack of patriotism and ignorance of the monetary system as a whole.
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1 they CAN NOT convert it back into money.
More lies!
That is total complete and utter nonsense!
What kind of ignorant thing is that to say?
1) Since when can a commodity not be converted to a fed reserve note?
2) if that doesnt make you happy melt the shit down and exchange it for your precious federal reserve notes as an ingot.
3) you cannot directly convert silver certificate notes that the government approved either for their "actual value" because they are no longer using that system of exchange.
4) if you have silver cert notes i will personally be happy to convert as many as you have to fed notes for face value!!! (for those who are literacy impaired that means exchange a 20 silver cert for a 20 fed note, a 1 silver cert for a 1 fed note, a 5 silver cert for a 5 fed note, a 10 silver cert for a 10 fed note) etc, get it? clear as mud right?
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Norfed is trying to pretend you can spend it like regular money.
More lies!
Anyone who understands exchange in this country understands that you can spend iron as regular money if you want!
Iron is real and regular money if that is the established system of exchange with another or group of others.
i can legally use iron with person 1), copper with person 2) corn with person 3), or (where prostitution is legal), prostitute out your ass with person 4) in exchange for services and or goods provided by another. get it?
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1 You made the completely false claim that you can buy 4 gallons of gas for a dollar with liberty dollars.
i said: "This is how we can get back on the gold/silver system." <--- "4 gallons of gas for buck!"
the 4 gal of gas refers to <--- the previous point as denoted by the arrow which obviously is to complicated for you to grasp but that is what the cost would be on that system. still clear as mud right?
i have no reason to believe that you are doing anything but misdirecting to mislead or you simply are to ignorant to comprehend what you read DUH
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1 The "currency" has experienced 100% inflation in less than 10 years.
Yes with the federal reserve corporation at the helm prices are no longer solely based on supply and demand and to keep the same value the silver had 10 years ago the price had to inflate to match the feds current credit system inflation. if the price inflated to the tune of 100% that of course means that you can sell it at 2 times what you bought it for 10 years ago for a net gain of zero net loss of zero in reference to inflation. clear as mud?
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1 It is a scam for peopel dumb enough to buy into the BS you constantly post.
You think those fed notes you get are free!<----No markup?
(translation: no markup is in reference to the statement prior and it means there is a mark up) get it? clear as mud right?
News Flash: You rent the "privledge" of using fed dollars.
Last count the interest on the debt based on 300 million people in the usa, would put the interest some where between 1500 to 2000 bucks per year per person every year paying interest upon interest over and over again to pay for the use your fed dollars. (translated: that is the mark up) get it?
You continually prove that you do not research anything, cannot correctly assimilate articles that others write, any better than mine as well as others posts.
If you do not like the cost of this system then use a different method or pay into your fed reserve note system, but you clearly arent interested in understanding the subject, your only interest is focused on discrediting me by misdirecting the thrust my posts using spelling, grammar, disingenuous research, false accusations, equivocation, microscoping and a host of other rediculous grandiose claims that everything is lies bullshit, as well as other lame methods that only serve to show you up for who and what you really are.
i do not like coming on here and reading someone out like this, but i like even less to waste my time with the kind of trash you habitially spew.
for the reading pleasure of others reading this thread!
Silver Standard Resources;
December 10, 2001
Three years ago, world-class investor Warren Buffet sunk over $500 million into 129 million ounces of silver, more than the Hunt Brothers ever owned. He kept his moves so quiet, he barely moved the price while amassing the largest above-ground hoard of silver known.
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/moriarty/moriarty121001.html
WARREN BUFFET EXPERTISE^^^^^ vs LUCKY DOG EXPERTISEvvvvvv
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1 It is a scam for peopel dumb enough to buy into the BS you constantly post.
Anyone dumb enough to fall for this scheme deserves to loose everything.
Maybe you have been sucking sludge out of the government nipple for so long that you cant bring yourself to realize anything else exists.
Warren buffet always invests in things that will go down!
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