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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 1:46:31 PM   
justheather


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How very fraudien of him....LOL. Which we already know, is a philosophy that has too many holes in it.




It was a she.
Psychological theories are just that, theories.
I dont see how incest fantasies are any different from rape fantasies. Indulging them in your partner does not encourage him or her to go out and commit an illegal or immoral act any more than engaging in BDSM encourages him to be violent in other life situations.
I thought feeding fantasies was a good deal of what kink was about.

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 1:47:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I don't think most age-players are closet incest promoters (or victims). I could be wrong, (and theoretically, I think justheather is maybe right, but I can't prove that) but personally, I know that's not where I am coming from on a conscious level, at least, when I engage in it, although theoretically, I can see where it might be a turn on. I've even written fantasies about it. But, I can't go into those here. I think there are people who think this is the way things are all the time, between age-players.

And usually, those misconceptions are quickly corrected by follow-up posters, when I read comments along that line. I think on a bdsm website, it never fails to surprise me how many "right-wingers" there really are, when it comes to judging others.

**I mean, Christ Almighty (!)  you're on a bdsm website named Collarme, people!- if we're going to talk about how "sick" something is - let's talk first about branding your male submissive's ass, or whipping your female submissive until she bleeds, or about how licking your Domme's feet is so sexy, or how "watersports" are not "even sicker", etc, etc, etc. I mean - c'mon let's have a "which is the sicker" activity contest!! (yes, I am being facetious). 

- Susan

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 1:53:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once again, I feel like we should be reminded that we are dealing with archetypes.

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 1:53:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is a diff between age play, and fantasizing about your daughter while playing with someone else. I know the sentence is a run-on, but please read it. And yes, any act that builds on a unhealthy thought pattern should be concidered wrong.

I am not putting down any fetish...have fun explore! Anyway....let's get back to what this thread is about.

Daddy Doms, are they more nurturing? As far as i know...Masters and Daddies are both nurturing. The diffrence for me is that one is more of a care giver.

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 1:57:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		justheather: Yes, that's exactly right. And most people are going to individuate from that - which is why it's an archetype (and I know that is your point - and a good one, too).

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:01:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		doma she said that some people take on adult littles cause they want their own daughter and would never soil her like that. read the post.
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Feline~ i dont remember seeing that anywhere in the thread. i dont think anyone here is talking about pedophiles, and i dont think any of us are lusting after our fathers either

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:05:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it might be a turn-off to read, but realistically, I am certainly glad this person has found a more acceptable outlet. Aren't you? And who am I to say that isn't a motivation for some people? I don't know if it is, or not. It very well might be. I am not trying to argue with you, and can imagine it's kind of distasteful to read someone say that, but realistically, I can't say for sure why people have motivations for their bdsm activites. I think if they aren't harming anyone, it's none of my business. Although I will say if a person who says that kind of thing believes they aren't going to find they get some pointed responses in terms of feed-back,
they are deluding themselves.
-Susan

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:09:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am all for adults doing what they like as long as it's not harming someone,  But I think first why you lust after your kin should be dealt with first. specially if said daughter is jail bait. I can't get into that here it'd get this pulled, but if what you fantasize about is about someone illegal, it's not better they found someone leagal to do those certain illegal fantasies with.
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Well, it might be a turn-off to read, but realitically I am certainly glad this person has found a more acceptable outlet.
-Susan

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:11:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		My point was that at least they aren't harming their kid. But I agree with you - perhaps therapy would be a great option for them.

But in terms of people acting out their fantasies, I can't really judge anyone (I've got some that are pretty private, that would probably makes some people's hair stand on end). On the other hand, some are not going to ever be my cup of tea.

But yes - if someone came to me and told me they wanted me as a "stand-in" for their 12 year old daugther, I'd opt out of engaging in activity with them (I think people always reserve the right to do that, too. Unless, of course, they are a slave - and even then they can simply walk away, if something gets to be "too much" ).

P.S. I hope you don't think I was yelling at you, Feline. I'm not (sorry if you thought that). My yammering just now was mostly a reaction to reading that other thread that got pulled. I started to respond to it, but it got pulled before I could respond. I was writing to tell that jerk that not alll age-players are closet Ped___iles. I thought this guy was just lookingto flame the whole CM message board, and it bugged me.

I mean - why the hell is someone on a site like this, which has something like 400,000-plus members around the globe - if they cannot prepare themselves for the fact there could be one or two people who are not into what they are into? Geez - I'm not into Scat, but I don't care who else does it, and I certainly am not going to waste time telling Scat lovers I think they are just one brick short of a load. His total purpose seemed to be to lump all people who engage in one bdsm activity (in a broad context, of course) into a morally tainted group. It is one of my pet peeves. And every so often, there is someone who comes along that just screams: "Somebody call me on it" - and I was starting to write back - but then the thread got pulled.

- Susan

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:31:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry we got off-topic there (really). I do think Daddy Doms are probably more nurturing. Of course, it all depends on what one considers to be nurturing behavior. And what one thinks one needs. I have times I just really think I need a Sadistic Master, too (and my Daddy says he is both). 

- Susan

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:33:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		oh yes, I know, there's nothing wrong with most fantasies, I have some people would tar and feather me for as a sick fuck for having.

I wish I had a chance to read the other thread before it was pulled. It could of been very informative for the person asking to bad it's something against TOS.

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:38:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		anyway back on track, I have only had one master and one so called dominant, and only one daddy, so I don't have a lot to compare to, but I certaintly thnk my Daddy is more nurtureing and forgiving and all that than a dominant. Sometimes I need to cry and wail and fall apart it only takes me about 20 mins the most in short meltdowns and daddyc oo's to me an lets me wail an fuss, once while he was here I broke down an was sobbing an snorting and unable to comunicate and he just held me and eventually offered me to bite on his neck which is enjoyable and held me, and I doubt my x ever would of been supportive of me or supporting of the need.  He also thought parts of me that are the very fundamental core of me were age inapropriate, and once he asked me to hump a stuff toy I am extreamly attached to and got upset when I told him it felt wrong to mistreat a toy I loved. I explaomed Andrew pushed harder, I got upset and anxious and he still pushed harder stating it was just a toy get over it. A daddy would never in my mind be so pushy about something he knew upset his baby girl very much.

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:40:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I'd think he was maybe sincere in his question, but he asked it in a pretty vindictive manner - which led me to belive maybe he had an ulterior motive. Of course, if he really thought (or it could have been a female, I am not sure) that all age-players are Ped_iles, then maybe it is undertandable. Guess we'll never know (and yes, it might have been productive).

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:42:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		May I also add, that daddy doms, can sometimes understand certain needs better than masters, if masters are not correctly intuned. Or if MAster's are not inclined to be understanding.

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:44:33 PM   
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Feline~ i dont remember seeing that anywhere in the thread. i dont think anyone here is talking about pedophiles, and i dont think any of us are lusting after our fathers either


well i dont know......... my dad is pretty hot and definetly dominant.........

lmao

if i could get over the ick factor that he actually has genitals....... 

sorry couldnt resist

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:45:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Riot my uncle said if he wasn't married and it wouldn't mean the death of all happyness and peace he'd fuck me lol.

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:45:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		As for Age players........... to each their own.  Who am i to judge?

As for Daddy Doms vs Masters

each has their own merit - like anything

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:45:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, Daddy Doms do strike me as wanting to be more in-tune with their submissive's needs - or at least more patient with them, sometimes.

Riot and Feline: You guys are cute.


- Susan

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:48:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Susan I know my X would never of put up with me being pushy and demanding when cranky and little. James probably should not either, but I love him even more for the fact he is understanding and lenient . Like one time I had a small punishment coming for spending money when I was on a budget and a really stressfull week occured and I was way stressed and sad and I just wanted him so bad but wouldn't be back for a while, he said the stress of the week cancled any punishment I had coming.

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RE: Are Daddy Doms really more nurturing than Masters? - 2/13/2007 2:48:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		and my uncle looked at me trying to be slick and invited me in his bed...... infront of his daughter as i stood their mouth gapping open and looking at her asking what the heck did he mean and did he mean what i thought he ment

And at the next family reunion - i'm most likely going to do something slick and messed up like dump a cup of ice cold water on him or knee him in the nuts and play innocent.  = )  Sick twisted slutty fuck that he is.  Too bad he was always so damn dominant and i always looked up to him. 

<wicked grin> but i'll teach him!

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