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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/15/2005 7:01:09 PM   
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and I ain't saying I never have/never would make that mistake, but why not do it, know it's wrong, feel guilty, and move on? M




BINGO!

Thank you for saying it in such few words and so well! That's my point exactly!

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/15/2005 7:05:39 PM   
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Sincerest apolagoies all around for the flames posted = )


by the way, half the time i am just being silly and joking. Especially with the holier then thou part. As i'm not perfect, never will be, and have alot to learn about life. This i know.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/15/2005 7:34:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
Isn't the marriage contract a legal one? If it is, and one's supposed to forsake all others, than isn't it wrong not to?


Marriage vows are often very individual these days. I took a red pen and scratched all kinds of things out of the ceremony that we were presented with, because I didn't feel that they were appropriate for us. One of the things I crossed out was "forsaking all others". It was (and is) still perfectly legal without those words in it.

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and I ain't saying I never have/never would make that mistake, but why not do it, know it's wrong, feel guilty, and move on?


In my marriage it isn't "wrong" and there's nothing to feel guilty about in that regard.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/15/2005 7:43:43 PM   
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One of the things I crossed out was "forsaking all others". It was (and is) still perfectly legal without those words in it.



so, it's two consenting adults....how would that be cheating? therefore...how could it be wrong?

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/15/2005 7:51:34 PM   
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RiotGirl,
you have every right to be upset...i would be to. It definately was a low blow and there was no reason for anyone to bring up something which you shared with us on other threads that doesn't even have anything to do with the topic here....it was wrong

It surely was not done out of concern, if someone was that concerned over your mental state they could just send you a private message regarding that issue instead of using it in the manner it was used.

With all that said, i think it's fair to say that we should agree to disagree at this point.... obviously this thread is only infuriating many and nothing productive is coming out of it.

we all have our own issues and like i said before, it's funny sometimes how those that preach against judging others are often the quickest to judge! You're a great girl, one of the nicest i have met online in a very long long time...you're honest and sweet, don't let what others who don't even know you say ... don't let it bring you down.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/15/2005 7:54:59 PM   
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First I would like to say this thread deserves an award or two.

It has degenerated to down right stupid at times.

Most need to take a deep breath, if you have meds take them.. if you need them then GET them!

Any more threats and guilty parties will be gone, if I have my way for good!


Let me also say this, recently I have seriously wondered why it is I do this. Really, take a look at the maturity level among us. I am not going to point any fingers, guilty parties know who they are. Frankly I am sick to death of the bullshit going on.


I also want to add, I am very upset that some are so centered on thier own self that they feel the need to slam others. I highly respect MizSuz and she has been a long time contributor to the forums. She has offered endless support and advice. I feel personally insulted when someone insult's her. Take it for what it's worth...

If you are looking for advice I can name several on here that I would put stock in what they offer.

MizSuz
SherriA
Topcat
sfgrrl

there are more, but my head is pounding from this damn thread!

I cannot even write anymore here, as I am disgusted and aggitated.

Let's get a damn grip...


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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/15/2005 8:08:43 PM   
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Geez and i thought i was done. Guess i'm a liar. Really i am too tired, and too sick of all this BS going on, but i am here. So i'll give it my best go. This topic was also brought to my attention by a few others. so i am addressing it
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If yall want to go off and do something wrong and get advice on how best to do it, i'd suggest going some where were its accepted. Like the cheaters club.
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Dont tell me, yall aint never been taught right and wrong.

Cos i swear, if i'm totally off base with this.. then i'm gonna have to come on here and ask the best way to shoot up herion.

But wait, doing drugs harms not only you, but others? Its wrong no matter how you dice it. How you want to rationalize it, or what you tell yourself.

Same with cheating. Its just wrong.


quote:

Ok,

i am so SEVERELY IRATE right now, i can hardly get it out. You all are so cool. If anyone hasnt gathered yet, i am not cool nor do i care to be cool. Funny thing is, you (GENERAL SENSE) are so threatened by the old ways of BDSM that your insecurities come out in your posts. Your flames, your attacks, your disrespect for others. So cool, so posh, so know it all, so right, so narrow minded that you cant even see it.


RG, when you start threads in the tone that you started the above 2, what did you think people's response would be? You are attacking and making judements about a whole lot of people and issues; basically you did two major flaming posts. You're right that all we know about you is what you present; but look at what you presented. You go back and forth between being irate, then sarcastic, then holier than thou. Honestly, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense and it is all very dramatic. And then in your last post you state you don't care what anyone thinks...which invites the question of why did you bother in the first place.

IMO, I think you do care; and I think most of us care as well. Posting regularly on a MB is being part of a community; yes it's virtual, but still a community. You'll find that people will listen more closely if you talk at a mid-range volume. Whatever points you were trying to make got lost in the din of a high pitched rant.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/15/2005 8:50:14 PM   
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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/15/2005 9:30:39 PM   
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SIR KENIN

She may be right, but you cant back her up if she is right about me. So dont. Grrrr... dont jump into conversations or things unless you have all the info. You'll just end up making people mad. Like ME. i was on the meds for bi polar FOR ONE MONTH. IT MADE MY LIFE HELL. SO i stopped taking them. GET IT? You, keep trying to talk about my Master needing to take some jolts and that is one thing i will not put up with. What Ms Suz is trying to do, is completely down in the dirt, gutter scum wrong.. but you take shots at Master. i'll blow. Mind Your OWN business. If you want to dicuss it, thats perfectly fine by me. i could care less. DISCUSS. Which means as my father always said, dont act like you're right unless you are. So its just plain stupidity for you to jump in and back up what suz said as she has really no basis and nothing to go on.

As for plummeting into the depths of despair. Thanks for the heads up. i suppose i have always been the way i have always been and would know excatly what would lay in store and what life would be liek. Wouldnt i? Or no, maybe i was born yesterday and havent a clue how to deal with myself.

BTW, you havent a clue about playing with fire and you havent a clue about getting burned. So dont warn me like that. Cos i know excatly where the fire is. i know excatly what it feels like to be burned. Like i said, you havent a clue about me. I'm just some dumb name on the computer/collarme that you're responding to and running off before i get a rebutal in.

Why dont you THE two of you go see my DOC as you two seem to know so much more then me? Gee, every name i can think of to call you in the book. i am so furious that i feel the need to defend myself on this level that if i could reach through the computer screen and bite your heads off i would. And chew slowly.

BUT i must thank you for speaking up and any others. Go on speak up. Try and make my thoughts, my morals, my ethics and ect not count. Really, when one stands up for whats right you'd only expect those in favor with the devil to discredit you.

Nicely done.

Onward!






I think you're a little too sensitive and thou doest protest too much. I think you know what you are doing is wrong, and you thought that you might get someone to tell you want to hear in here, but it didn't seem to quite work out that way and now the claws are out.

you are very edgy right now.. Almost on the edge of your seat. you are getting aggravated when people get in your way. you probably drive too fast and have troubles sitting for any length of time at the TV or reading a book. your concentration is probably low. your sleep level is low and you feel promiscuous. you engage in promiscuous relationships. you may have even been on a shopping binge lately. your anger trips much easier than normal as you are agitated. you probably eat or smoke more. Am I close? I bet I am.

I know what those drugs make you feel like when you first start taking them. I can describe it in the most intimate detail. you won't be telling Me anything I don't know. I have been around it for more than a decade.

I am telling you, those drugs WILL make you feel that way at first and your Master had no business taking you off them. They are there for your own good. When you hit the right dosages, you will not be acting the way you do now. you will be much calmer, not flying off the handle and threatening people in their PM boxes like you just did.

you will be acting rationally. you will not be impulsive and wreckless like you are now. I am telling you this because even though I don't know you I am trying to help you. The reason you feel groggy is that you had either too much Lithium or too much anti-psychotic in your system. Probably Lythium. It goes by body weight and it must be monitored on an almost weekly scale for months. For the first little while you will feel like you have dulled senses. you will lack motivation and energy. you may even experience dry mouth, water retention in the cheeks or diarrhea.

Lithium flattens the tops and bottoms of the mood swing. Picture it as a sine wave. The Lithium chops the top and bottom peaks off. From there your mood is stabilized with all kinds of things such as Prozac, Effexor, Wellbutrin, Respiredol, Fluvoxamine, Zyprexa and others, although those are the industry favorites.

If you're feeling the way you are, it's because either the Lithium levels are too high, the anti-psychotic level is too high or you are on the wrong drug.

Forget about what your Master says and get back into the doctor and describe the symptoms to him/her so they can make the modifications needed and remember that stabilization takes a while. Your Master is not a doctor. He does not know how to treat this. He does not know what He is talking about in this regard, with all due respect to Him. Please don't lay all your faith on him at the risk of your own health (or ultimately lack thereof).

If you do not address this right away, it could become serious in a blink of an eye. Mood fluctuations can be rapid and serious.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/15/2005 10:12:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SherriA
Marriage vows are often very individual these days.
I didn't feel that they were appropriate for us. One of the things I crossed out was "forsaking all others". It was (and is) still perfectly legal without those words in it.

Alright, I was talking about general practice, where most people going into the institution of marriage (lol, pun intended) don't pay attention to those details or actually mean to honor them when they enter.

quote:

and I ain't saying I never have/never would make that mistake, but why not do it, know it's wrong, feel guilty, and move on?


quote:

In my marriage it isn't "wrong" and there's nothing to feel guilty about in that regard.

Damned if you're not one of the coolest wives around; I think most men would love this kind of wife, where he could run around at his leisure without guilt or fear... Hell I'd like a wife like this (well a wife with a penis who dresses like a man, lmao). M

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/15/2005 10:54:29 PM   
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Hypomanic episode symptoms:
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx21.htm

No slam, no low blows. Just sincere concern from a fellow collarme community member who has enjoyed your participation but can't help but notice what seems blatantly to be a hypomanic episode .I am not a psychiatrist but my father is a Neurologist and trained Psychiatrist, my brother is diagnosed bipolar (and is doing wonderfully thanks to his meds, and yes it took many months to find the right drug and dose) and I have several other firends and extended family members who have suffered or are currently suffering from manic/depressive swings to be able to recognize it when I see it. Granted I do not know you realtime, but your presence online leaves no doubt in my mind. Once again, I'm not a doctor, but I'm not an ignoramus either.

This week you began several threads which exhibited hypomanic symptoms. Not one but several. A few weeks ago you did the exact same thing with a series of threads (many as disconnected and chaotic as those you posted this week) concernign your Master and whether he was still looking for another slave. Then you later edited them to remove the content and asked others to do so as well, and I see you are currently doing the same with many of the posts made in this thread as well. Finally, last week (8 days ago to be precise) you came to us and apologized for your behavior with regards to your numerous Master threads and told us about your horrendous expereince with the "quack" and the meds you tried. You recieved nothing but support from ALL. What are we supposed to think now? Most of us may not know you but that doesn't mean we can't empathize and worry about you. I cannot beleive that anyone would use that as a battering ram simply becasue they disagree with your POV on moral absolutes. Sorry, that doesn't fly with me knowing what I know of the psoters you allege to be doing something so heinous.

Right now I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else thinks about cheating. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about absolute universal truths of right and wrong. I simply see one of our own falling down a slippery slope, and being belligerent in the process alienating herself from all but those who are supporting her POV rather than addressing her presentation (which is again, IMO, far more important and telling). This doesn't invalidate the points you made in the thread regarding your opinions on the above subjects, in fact I agree to a large extent with them. I repeat, they are far less important than your well being and it's obvious you have many here concerned about you (whether solicited or not). You can take that as intended or twist it into an attack if you wish. One can only take the horse to water afterall.

I know you had a bad expereince with the doctor who diagnosed you and who mis-prescribed and/or over prescribed a medication which made the situation worse instead of better. I pray that you will follow through on your assertion that you will seek a second opinion with a Psychiatrist who may be better versed in the very tricky world of mood stabilizing medications. Furthermore, please understand that finding the correct dose takes time, sometimes far more than one would like and that bad reactions are all too common, as described by MzSuz and Perverseangelic (among others) in their own personal testimonials TO YOUR threads in the past. Fortunately, there are far more drugs available to treat this illness than just 10 years ago, all one needs is patience, fortitude, hope and a decent Doctor.

Back to your allegation that bringing up your bipolar issues seems like an underhanded attack by MzSuz and others... if you take an objective look through some posting histories (MzSuz's ESPECIALLY) you will see clearly that she goes well out of her way to help people on these boards in a wide array of topics and even more so when it involves a subject she is intimately familiar with (such as bipolar disorder). She is, IMO, one of the most valuable assets on Collarme.com. Furthermore, you will see that she is only short when it becomes obvious to her that she's talking to a brick wall. I believe deeeply that is exactly what happened in this thread and seeing your responses to her, frankly I don't blame her.

I find it somewhat telling that in your reply to her first post in THIS thread, you mentioned that you had heard of her when only a week before you had this exchange WITH her:
http://www.collarme.com/forum/m_81002/mpage_1/key_bipolar/tm.htm#81310

Again, though I am not bipolar, I have had the misfortune of witnesssing first hand a substantial amount of hypomanic episodes, a few debilitating manic episodes (some ending up with hospitalization in a psych ward) and too many depressive episodes to possibly count. I know you feel you are getting beat up on, but it's 1:30Am and I can assure you that I have better things to do right now than beat someone up online, especially someone I dont know :)

What else can I say? You have some of us worried. Like so many others have expressed (whether you appreciated their tone or not) we wish you only the best. oh and for the record, I don't think anybody is really questioning your Master's motives, only his expertise and wisdom. That seems fair to me. If you choose to add me to your "enemy' list as a result of this post, so be it. I'll sleep with a clear conscience knowing I did all I can to express my thoughts and concerns as rationally and respectfully as I know how to.

Hang in there. We're not AGAINST you, in fact we're rooting FOR you.

Best,
Joshua






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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/15/2005 11:58:20 PM   
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Thanks for the concern Joshua That was a really kind, considerate and well thought out post. i appreciate your posting it. Though what i do find amazing, is i cant find one person in my REAL life that can agree if i'm bipolar or not. My mother certiantly doesnt think so. You should hear what she has to say. = ) Something along the lines that i'm just full of excuses. Bleh.

as i was going through old posts i did see Ms Suz's name alot. (and no i never professed to have a good memory) i have seen her around abit before and yeah i did respect her opionon. i did like what she had to say. What got me, was to be discussing a topic and then have a personal issue thrown out. It really slapped me and i can take pretty much anything, except something personal thrown out into the line of fire. Create a new post? Email me? i dunno something. Maybe it was out of concern, though i think she could of done it a better way. If it was TRULY out of concern then i do apolgoize. i've been known to be wrong before and i have no problem admitting if i am again.

No i dont count you as one of my "enemies" Heck i dont even count Taggard in that same line. Eh, i dont really count anyone here. Becuse really, nothing was done to me. None of my rules were broken. Which is damage done to me, or those i care about.

Like i said. I do appreciate the thought you put into that post. i am working on things. i can only go as fast as i can go. As i get pretty sick of alot of things about myself. They drive me nuts sometimes. Really though, i think its time i stop posting.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 3:59:26 AM   
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I do not thinks that MizSuz needs any defending, especially from me but I wished to place something as a thought.

Please forgive me Suz and Riot for 'talking about you'... as a rule, I do not like to 'NAMENAMES'... but I just wished to place (disclaimer here) my view, from how I saw it.

Riot was being attacked. Not just once, not just by one... but MANY. And for what? Placing down her view? Because thats what Riot did.
Now, I hope that my response was not seen as an attack on her, but my personal viewpoint. No name calling, no assumptions, just my view(disclaimer here) on universal right and wrong.

MisSuz brought up something that Riot has mentioned in the forums before. Not to attack her, but to show those that were taking offense to Riots writings, that they need to take into consideration certain factors and not allow a thread, which was a personal thought, degenerate into a full blown slanging match.

I maybe wrong. But thats MY take on it.
(damn, bloody disclaimers!)

In a world where we face ridicule and attack on a regular basis... where we are afriad to speak our minds freely in case of judgement... we need to look past just the words. I applaud and admire Riot for stating her opinion, IN HER OWN WAY. I also applaud in awe MisSuz for trying to bring order, where there was chaos.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 4:22:46 AM   
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you are very edgy right now.. Almost on the edge of your seat. you are getting aggravated when people get in your way. you probably drive too fast and have troubles sitting for any length of time at the TV or reading a book. your concentration is probably low. your sleep level is low and you feel promiscuous. you engage in promiscuous relationships. you may have even been on a shopping binge lately. your anger trips much easier than normal as you are agitated. you probably eat or smoke more. Am I close? I bet I am.


I have to apologise here to the Mods and to everyone else here...
... but THIS is the most amazing, unbelievable, condecending, irresponsible, self righteous, imaginative tosh I have had the 'honour' to witness.

You do not know Riot. Neither do I.
Goodness... I think I really need to go meditate now.


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Forget about what your Master says


That is not for you to insist NOR showing any respect.


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and get back into the doctor and describe the symptoms to him/her so they can make the modifications needed and remember that stabilization takes a while. Your Master is not a doctor. He does not know how to treat this. He does not know what He is talking about in this regard, with all due respect to Him. Please don't lay all your faith on him at the risk of your own health (or ultimately lack thereof).


Doctors do not know everything. Unless He is a specialist in mental healthcare. I have met Doctors who prescribe medication ... but its the wrong meds. I know Doctors who readily admit, that they do not know exactly the medication for which bi-polar episode, or any depression or mental health issue. I know of people put in hospital because they took medication from a doctor which was wrong. (Myself included who was Not just one bad doctor... but THREE).

Do not misunderstand me, I do know that she could be aided by talking to someone who knows correctly what she 'needs'. But you are in no position to tell her what to do. You can offer her your opinion, if she has asked for it. And I am sure your intentions are honourable. But your 'facts' are flawed.

Riot, again my apology for talking 'about you'... but I really felt I needed to address my disgust at that response towards you.

*Hands back her cookie to Mod 5*
Sorry... have I lost my privilages?

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 6:42:17 AM   
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wow angel, we finally agree on something!!


By the way.....Mod 5 , you sent a message, i don't get to read my messages... if it was a warning or something of that nature please let me know here on the boards. sorry. : )

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 6:51:40 AM   
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Riotgirl,

You may not welcome this , but I have a few things to say.

Bi-polar is a deadly serious disorder, your mother probably does not want to say you have it because NO mother wants to think her child might have a mental disorder. Trust me on this one, right now I am crying. I have not one but 2 children that are bi-polar. My youngest son was one of the earliest definative diagnosed cases in the US to date. He was 3 at the time. His mood swings were so wild all I could do was sit and look at him and stare. We had to wrap him in a sheet like a mummy to keep him from hurting himself or others when he raged. He also has petite mall seizures, which effect his bpolar disorder as well. He will have a seizure and come out of it often not knowing what has happened to him. His diagnosis did not come easy, I as a mother did not want to hear this. But a therapyst that started comeing to our home every day to observe him and his liefestyle told me once, you have to accept who they are and get them the best help you can.. no matter how it makes you feel. It broke my heart to read the statistic's of bi-polar children that end up hurting or killing themselves. Like you would not believe, I saw my baby.. and that is what he was, a baby. And all I could think of was how his life was going to be robbed from him before he ever got to enjoy it. They tried many medications on him, I had to take him weekly for blood work. And you know what.. I cried every time they stuck a needle in him. I cried everytime he had a reaction to the meds, be it vomiting uncontrollably to severe diareaha and him being placed back in diapers at the age of 4 because the meds made him lose control. I sat through watching him be sedated to the point he was still awake but looked like a zombie while they hooked countless numbers of electrodes to his head and body. He had to be perfectly still so they basically paralyzed him to get the tests done. I sat next to him as tears rolled down his face because he was scared to death and could not even speak. I was helpless as a mother to do anything for my child, my baby. I watched in horror as he flung himself out a second story window, thankfully landing in a bush. I shook in terror as I tried to control him in my car, in a parking lot waiting for an ambulance to come get him because he had a psychotic break at 4. He was stronger than me and my husband put together, it took all we had to wrap him in a sheet and keep him from hurting himself or others. (yes he lost it and stabbed his brother with a kitchen knife when he was 3) I listened in horror as words escaped his lips I had never once used in my home. I thought he was possessed. Seriously! I spent endless nights without sleep, so I could sit by his bed while he slept and stare at my beautiful child so at peace. Knowing that the next day was unknown. I just wanted to see him in peace, for I feared I never would.

We got lucky, they finally found a medication that made it all go away. He takes a medication called trileptial, also known as oxcarbazepine, it contols seizures and has been known to help many bi-polar patients. He takes it 2x a day, and has not had a single episode of serious nature since. I remember well the days when he was only a baby and told me how he wanted to die, before he had even began to live.

Now my oldest daughter did not manifest symptoms until she was 12, we never saw it coming. It was her birthday and we were all having a great time. While the entire family was having dinner she snapped, it was a joyus occasion and everyone was laughing and celebrating. She stood up and flung her plate of food across the room, then ran outside with no shoes or coat in Febuary.. in Chicago. It was a bad winter and bitterly cold. She ran so fast so far. The police and our family spent hours searching for her. When she was found she hated herself and everything. She was someone I did not know. We had to admit her to a psych hospital. I was scared, thinking no not this.. not now. After all the reading I had done about her brother I was scared to death she was going to become one of the teenage statistics I had read about. And well, I did not want to lose her. I was afraid she would either kill herself or go batshit crazy lost in her own mind. I spent hours and hours at that hospital while they ran tests, changed meds. Watched her go through all the bad shit the meds can do to you. The doctor knowing she had a brother with the same disorder placed her on trileptial as well eventually. Things changed, she got better. He also put her on zoloft in the evenings so she could sleep. Because her mind was racing 90 to nothing in the night. And she could not sleep.
She just turned 17, is a good kid, and is in the National Honor Society Book comeing out this year of the top students in the country. I am proud of her and how far she has come. She would be the first to tell you to your face to pull your shit together and get help. It is not your fault, this is the way you were born. Seek help, take the meds, go through the process so that one day you can feel good. One day you will like yourself. She still has highs and lows, one day she can be over excited full of energy and then in 10 minutes she could be crying her eyes out. But she educated herself while going through the steps to get better. She knows what this disorder can do to you. She usually only cycles (high to low episodes with bi-polar disorder) when the seasons change. Winter is always harder on her. She see's what her problems are and does all she can do to deal with them. She keeps a diary every day, and goes back and reads her moods and thoughts. She tries to understand the way she works. She tells us she will be a doctor one day, and she is going to help children with this disorder, so that she can try to make a change to the statistics. So she can say " I know where you are, and I know where you can go". Her and her brother are so very close, it sometimes seems as if they are psychically connected, they feel each others pain and can relate better than we can.

The point here is, it is not your fault that you have something going on. You need to find a doctor that is very familiar and can help you. The meds will play hell with you at first. Keep trying to find what works for you. It does get better, if you can understand what is happening to you. You can like yourself one day. You may need an inpatient stay to get you leveled out, this is not a bad thing. Even if it seems like the last thing you want. There are professionals that can deal with this.

I hope it helps to see it from someone that has been there and watched what it can do to you, how it tears you down then builds you up. From happy to sad.. to despair. From laughing uncontrollably at the little things no one else gets, to crying your eyes out and begging for death and an end. There are better ways to live. Most importantly, you have to take the medications, even after you start feeling better. Many bi-polar people will take themselves off the meds because they one day decide they are perfectly happy and do not need them. They convince themselves they have no problems. And all may go well for awhile, I have read of some who have went off for as much as a year before having a break. But you do eventually break, and then you have to get yourself back together, don't take that chance. For the people you love and that love you get the help so they do not have to watch this happen. It is gut wrenching to watch.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 6:54:29 AM   
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What else can I say? You have some of us worried. Like so many others have expressed (whether you appreciated their tone or not) we wish you only the best. oh and for the record, I don't think anybody is really questioning your Master's motives, only his expertise and wisdom. That seems fair to me. If you choose to add me to your "enemy' list as a result of this post, so be it. I'll sleep with a clear conscience knowing I did all I can to express my thoughts and concerns as rationally and respectfully as I know how to.

Hang in there. We're not AGAINST you, in fact we're rooting FOR you.



Thanks Joshua, for pointing out what I was trying to point out but doing it in a much kinder and more compassionate way.

I have a couple of people in my life who are still playing the 'yes I am/ no I'm not' game in regards to their mental health and their issues. I've had to create a definitive boundary with people when they don't take responsibility for their well being, especially their mental health, specifically so I could insulate myself against a kind of chaos I have worked very hard to get out of my life. Perhaps like you I too have seen and lived in an incredible amount of chaos because of that one aspect of the bipolar disease that is so common - someone not able to accept their diagnosis. In fact, when I needed a new doctor a few years back I had an horrendous time finding one because so many of the health care providers in my area were not willing to take bi polar people (I have a cousin going through similar problems in a different geographic area) and wouldn't even consider accepting insurance if they did take the patient. The reason they were not willing to take them is because of the textbook propensity of bi polar people to not accept their diagnosis nor to be compliant with their healthcare providers. It sets up that 'stabilize, get off the meds, hit crisis, have to stabilize again' cycle over and over again and healthcare providers are becoming very intolerant of it, especially if they are only getting pennies on the dollar from insurance providers. It makes it even more difficult for those of us who are willing to be medically compliant and active participants in our health care. I also know the ongoing crisis and chaos that comes from not being balanced (regardless of the diagnosis) and long ago drew a line in the sand regarding how much I was willing to participate in.

Riotgirl, I apologize if the way I made my point was hurtful. It was not my intent to cause hurt, although it was my intent to be firm about letting you know what I was seeing. Joshua did a much better job of it than I did. If you do decide to go through the posts on this thread I hope you'll note that I never addressed the topic at all. I never disagreed or agreed with you. I merely wanted to let you know that I was seeing a pattern (that spans the last few weeks) that I wish I wasn't so familiar with.

I also wanted to let you know that I was genuinely concerned for you. Perhaps a private message would have been more appropriate, but I really didn't think you would have given it quite the weight that you have given it here. So I made a choice to put it here in the hopes that it would be noticed and given some weight, at least enough to prompt you to take a look. I know it prompted a very strong reaction. I hope you know that 'behaving out of reaction' is often a red-flag for those of us who monitor ourselves closely.

I said in my last post that I am concerned for you. It was true when I wrote it and it's true now. I really couldn't care any less about whether or not you find all infidelity to be cheating or whether you see 'cheating' as black and white while others see it as grey. In fact, I've discussed that topic on this board so much that I wouldn't have participated anyway. The only reason I said anything at all was concern for you. I hope you'll also note that I never said your master was anything or not; I merely suggested you discuss the effects of body chemistry on the brain, moods, attitudes and behaviors with him as there are a LOT of different chemicals that can effect changes to all of the above and not all of them come in a pill.

I've been called Santa Claus with a sledge hammer more than once in my life. I'm very sorry if my delivery was needlessly hurtful. It wasn't my goal, although I was willing to risk it to get your attention. I truly wish I had been as eloquent and gentle as Joshua was.

I still hope you get what you need, whatever that turns out to be; and I still am committed to limiting my participation if I see behavior that rings alarm bells for me. It's part of my plan for my own health.

I really do wish you well.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 8:00:15 AM   
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Riotgirl,

You may not welcome this , but I have a few things to say.

Bi-polar is a deadly serious disorder, your mother probably does not want to say you have it because NO mother wants to think her child might have a mental disorder.



As a mother who is bipolar and has a bi polar (now adult) child all I can say is "Amen." In my family the only support that I can expect is the support of those who also have the disease (and are dealing with it responsibly). Everyone else in the family doesn't want to discuss it or simply has a 'shake it off' or 'take a pill today and you shouldn't have anymore problems so it's over' attitude. They just don't understand that it's a constant management kind of thing, if they are willing to acknowledge it at all.


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Trust me on this one, right now I am crying. I have not one but 2 children that are bi-polar. My youngest son was one of the earliest definative diagnosed cases in the US to date. He was 3 at the time.



My heart SO goes out to you. I really do wish I could hug you right now.

There is good news, though. Early onset bipolar is becoming more validated and acknowledged. There are support groups, books, docs beginning to specialize in it and study it closely, etc. Knowing you, you've probably already memorized the books I'm about to suggest, but I'll suggest them anyway.

"The Bipolar Child - The Definitive and Reassuring Guide to Childhood's Most Misunderstood Disorder" by Demitri Papolos, M.D., and Janice Papolos - published by Broadway Books. The book deals specifically with early onset bipolar disorder, the differences in the way it presents over conventional thinking and older/ adolescent/ young adult onset, and plans and ideas for positive nurturing. They also have a website with numerous links to other resources you might find helpful. www.bipolarchild.com

"Bipolar not ADHD - Unrecognized epidemic of manic depressive illness in children" by George Isaac, MD., published by Writers Club Press. I suspect this book is going to be more in line with the reason I bought these books - trying to understand the things that seem incongruous to me in my grandson's ADHD diagnosis. I have no control over his health care, he will soon be 7 years old and I fear he may also be bipolar (as I and his father are), but because he is being treated by a general practitioner I fear he may be misdiagnosed.


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Many bi-polar people will take themselves off the meds because they one day decide they are perfectly happy and do not need them. They convince themselves they have no problems. And all may go well for awhile, I have read of some who have went off for as much as a year before having a break. But you do eventually break, and then you have to get yourself back together, don't take that chance. For the people you love and that love you get the help so they do not have to watch this happen. It is gut wrenching to watch.


You know I have a dear friend and ex-lover who had ONE major episode and then didn't have another for 10 years. When it came back it came back hard, fast and furious. Now if she's not medicated she ends up in the hospital every spring and fall. Now, I'm not talking about 'she gets real happy, then real angry, then real sad.' I'm talking she goes from being the most productive musician I've ever seen to spending 14 hours cleaning the bathroom to walking down the road naked screaming the word of god at the top of her lungs because god lives in the top half of her body and has sent her to bring love to the world. For 10 years after her onset, however, she had no major episodes even without medication. When it came back it took her about four years of going in and out of the hospital two and three times a year before she got with the program. It was very hard on everyone who loves her and very hard on her. Now she's deliriously happy with a wife and two almost grown children, quite stable and loving life. I recently (on my last trip) visited them and it was great to see her so happy and WELL.

In my own life I can say that, while the conventional wisdom is that the disorder degenerates as you get older, medical compliance in conjunction with the will to always work on self actualization CAN AND DOES keep it at bay and managable. My life really is significantly better, my relationships are better, my income stability is better and the lack of drama in my life is pronounced since being medicated. Therapy alone didn't do the trick. It was like I was learning all these new tools and just couldn't set them into motion because I was always overwhelmed by emotion. Once the meds were stabilized I suddenly had a wealth of knowledge I'd gained from therapy from which to draw upon. It was a long road to finding the right meds and doses, though. I was fortunate in that by the time I was diagnosed (as an adult) I had already seen enough people play the 'yes I am/ no I'm not' game that I knew it was bullshit and got very serious about seeing if 'their way' could work for me. It did, significantly. So, I spared myself and those around me the on and off game.

When people who don't have the disorder ask me what it's like I tell them, "Think of the happiest moment in your life. A moment that was so overwhelmingly joyous that you could only cry. Now think of the most enraged you have ever been, a moment when all you could see was red and all you wanted to do was hurt someone/ anyone. Now think of the most horrific sadness and hopelessness you have ever felt. Now, imagine fluctuating between all of them as much as 20 times in a day." For some the changes take weeks, but I'm rapid and mixed cycles so it all happens over and over very quickly for me.

Anxiety is a major component of this disorder. Don't know what it's like to live with anxiety? Try this analogy: Have you ever stepped off a curb that you didn't realize was there? Did you feel the adrenaline rush through your body for a moment when it happened? Imagine if you woke up in the morning and your body felt like you'd just accidentally stepped off a curb - only that feeling never goes away. It's exhausting and makes for a very difficult place from which to interact with people and meet the demands of life.

My heart goes out to you Trey, and BRAVO to YOU for stepping up to the plate and sticking with it! BRAVO to you for not letting fear that it might mean something is wrong with you as a parent get in the way of helping your kids find their way. That kind of support is priceless for those of us with this disorder and very rare.

You are quite the gem (but I bet you knew that already <grin>).

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 8:26:53 AM   
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I just wished to thank Joshua, Suz and Trey for being so candid and honest.

I have no 'real' knowledge of bi-polar condition,(by that I mean I am not a sufferer) only knowledge of it via friends who are affected by it.

Two of the closest people in my life commited suicide, one did so during an 'episode', which I now haunts me even to this day, even though I could do no more than I did.

It's really easy to make assumptions about the way a person behaves, without really knowing what is really happening. It's really easy to 'tell' a person what they must do, or should do or are doing wrong. It's happened on here, and I am sure it won't be the last time it does. But it never helps.

People need support. We can just stand by, spouting what should be done... or we can support someone and offer help... or advice... people learn from experience either vicariously or self inflicted.

I am not really sure what I am saying now. Situations like this bring up memories in all of us. It's always good to reflect and see what we have learnt. As angry as this post may have got at times, it is still a bloody good one.

Peace and Love


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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 8:54:08 AM   
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I have to apologise here to the Mods and to everyone else here...
... but THIS is the most amazing, unbelievable, condecending, irresponsible, self righteous, imaginative tosh I have had the 'honour' to witness.


That was not meant to be condescending at all :( I was trying to help her pick out signs in her that might indicate that she is going (hypo)manic and needed urgent medical attention.


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Forget about what your Master says


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That is not for you to insist NOR showing any respect.


Respect is due when respect is earned. Taking a woman off meds that could have exceedingly serious consequences does not demand respect in My books.

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and get back into the doctor and describe the symptoms to him/her so they can make the modifications needed and remember that stabilization takes a while. Your Master is not a doctor. He does not know how to treat this. He does not know what He is talking about in this regard, with all due respect to Him. Please don't lay all your faith on him at the risk of your own health (or ultimately lack thereof).


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Doctors do not know everything. Unless He is a specialist in mental healthcare. I


I was hoping it was obvious that I was speaking of visiting a specialist in the field, a qualified psychiatrist, but if not I apologize. I will say it now for the record then. Go see a qualified psychiatrist.

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