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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

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ORIGINAL: MizSuz

A few short weeks ago there was a series of posts regarding someone's difficulties with specific kinds of medications. They were 'quitting the meds and looking for a new doctor.'

Now its a few weeks later and there's a lot of what appears to be hypo-mania inspired judgements, declarations and morality issues being spewed in what could appear to be somewhat compulsive/obsessive posts here at the boards.

Now, if you combine those two seemingly separate pieces of information, what does it say to you?

To me it says "Ignore Inflammatory Posts."

Well Thanks Ms Suz. i've heard about you before. It is awfully nice of you to be concerned about my overal mental status. Really its a great concern for the world, one we should all worry about. As you said i did have some difficulties with the meds. thankfully i wised up and stopped taking them as they made the world a pretty bleak place for me. Thankfully i took Master's advice (who has known me on and off of them) and stopped taking them. Whew arent you all lucky? Unfortunetly for you, my mental health isnt relevant to the way i think or how i perceive life. It doesnt change my understanding of right and wrong, ethical or moral obligations/considerations and our responsibilities to other human beings. i dont see these things to be easily influenced by a fleeting ailment.

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ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176

If speaking up about her POV makes her look closed-minded, inexperienced, illogical and like a simpleton, then she obviously has plenty of company.

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Face it, some of us have real opinions that won't be dissuaded by name calling or other attempts at belittling us on a personal level.

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Some of us are secure enough in ourselves and believes to call a spade a spade.

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Furthermore, If she chooses to espouse opinions that you find to be those of a inexperienced simpleton, she's entitled to do so.

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As for myself, those who defend cheating as a choice are most definitely scorned, as I find the behavior they rationalize to be harmful to all parties, including the spouse who is injured without consenting to the action.

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This may be a place of support and community, but it is only conditionally so. There are topics which are clearly not welcomed on these boards because they have been found to be inappropriate by the powers that be. whether or not one agrees with those exceptions, they clearly demonstrate this is not meant to be a place of unconditional acceptance, regardless of what activities one practices.

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You're choice to accept things as good that I choose to decry is just that, your personal choice.

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I find the idea that I should accept whatever evil someone is promoting because vanilla society is judgemental and unaccepting to incredibly ridiculous and poorly thought out.

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Whatever vanilla society deems bad must therefore be good? I should understand that judgement is sometimes fallible and therefore refuse to use my ability to judge for myself? This is simply a red herring and has no intellectual value in this discussion.

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ORIGINAL: MizSuz
4. Denial is not a river in Egypt and pretending that bi polar disorder is a 'fleeting ailment' doesn't make it go away, it makes your response rather textbook, typical and boring.

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ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176

Actually, RiotGirl, it's what poor debaters do when they can't win an argument.

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It's funny how those that preach against judging others are usually the first ones to judge! It's one thing to disagree with a person but good Lord just because they have a different opinion than yours is that reason to assume that they must be mentally impaired??? This is just absurd...this entire thread has reached a level of stupidity that amazes me.

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I agree that this thread is regrettable, though it may have some positive benefits to those reading it (one can only hope). If it continues to devolve into further flames it will be dealt with accordingly. Though I hope the participants can take a step back and understand what the real issues here are (there are several).

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There are topics which are clearly not welcomed on these boards because they have been found to be inappropriate by the powers that be.

Depends on ones perception of 'powers that be'.

Yes there are topics that may not be discussed. This is a step taken by 'the Management'(sorry, just doing my two rons impression)... to protect themselves and the site, so that it can be maintained to allow people to discuss their own opinions. If these are your 'powers that be'. However... they do this because there are particular topics that are illegal in a majority of cases. Even in minority cases, they must guard themselves and their site also and place warnings and those good ole disclaimers. Because there are those higher 'powers that be' also.

It isn't that anyones wrong or right... it isn't even about the subject of cheating. At least, that is not how I have read this thread and how it has developed. It is now about a concept of a belief. If something is universal, and ifso... how?

To some people, cheating is not morally right. To some it is not acceptable. To others, there are people who are willing to turn a blind eye to what their partner is doing. To some, they believe and eye for an eye. But there are very few universal rights or wrongs, because people will always adapt something to suit their need at the time. I do not think that the community is expected to offer unconditional support for everything. Lord knows I hope not. But the community can express its views as they manifest to each individual.

What is evil to one, is not evil to another. Leather users could be concidered 'evil' because of the animals killed in the name of their kink. Rubber and PVC fetish could be 'evil', for the amount of damage that occurs to the enviroment when it is produced or disguarded, in the name of their fetish. A smoking fetish is 'evil' for the fumes it produces and the danger it inflicts, not just on the smoker, but on the people around them. An american's 'right to bare arms' has been the cause of many a uncalled for death, so I suppose that is evil also. Not so long ago, to be a witch would have had you thrown into a river, stoned or drowned... you surely cannot get more evil than that?

People love to think and view in black and white. They like to think that there is no colour or inbetween grey areas. But there are only a few certainties in the world.

Death is undeniable.
And that the world is a kaleidoscope of beautiful colours.

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What is evil to one, is not evil to another.

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To some people, cheating is not morally right. To some it is not acceptable. To others, there are people who are willing to turn a blind eye to what their partner is doing. To some, they believe and eye for an eye. But there are very few universal rights or wrongs, because people will always adapt something to suit their need at the time.

let's say there's a man that is fully aware he is HIV +, knowing this, he has unprotected sex with a female who is not aware of this....he may believe in his mind that what he did is perfectly alright, after all, she didn't ask him directly...and hey, there is no right or wrong....my point being, it doesn't matter if the person doing the cheating feels as if they are doing a public service or something....it doesn't matter if the spouse being cheated on rather look the other way and pretend nothing is going on....that's their problem....however, it is and will always be wrong ... with all that said, i will add this, i do not attack a person who chooses to cheat, i do not feel superior to them morally or any other way.... i have done many things in my own life that were *wrong* however, if and when someone calls me on it i do not try and convince them that what i did was right when infact it was *wrong* .....

and yes, all of the above is MY own opinion and no one elses and my intentions are not to shove anything down anyones throat, etc etc etc...

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who has mentioned anything about evil?

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I find the idea that I should accept whatever evil someone is promoting because vanilla society is judgemental and unaccepting to incredibly ridiculous and poorly thought out. Whatever vanilla society deems bad must therefore be good?

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who has mentioned anything about evil?

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....however, it is and will always be wrong ...

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ORIGINAL: ruffnecksbabygir

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I find the idea that I should accept whatever evil someone is promoting because vanilla society is judgemental and unaccepting to incredibly ridiculous and poorly thought out. Whatever vanilla society deems bad must therefore be good?

i don't see how that is saying that cheaters are evil.

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ORIGINAL: ruffnecksbabygir
i don't see how that is saying that cheaters are evil.

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who has mentioned anything about evil?

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ORIGINAL: malepleases4ever
narrowminded coward

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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

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ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel
How about the marriage vows? To love, honor and cherish, forsaking all others? Is that black and white enough?

But what does any of that have to do with "right" and "wrong".
Taggard

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If speaking up about her POV makes her look closed-minded, inexperienced, illogical and like a simpleton, then she obviously has plenty of company.

Strawman: I never suggested that "speaking up about her POV" made her look anything. It is the actual POV that makes her look the things I listed.

Taggard