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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 9:01:16 AM

ruffnecksbabygir

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Unfortunately it is much to easy to be misunderstood here, o/l....it's difficult at times to tell if a person is being sarcastic, or sincere, you can't see their facial expressions or the tone of their voice, and you don't know the person so it lends it self to many many misunderstandings.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 9:02:52 AM

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I think almost everyone took what I said and twisted it all out of shape to formulate an attack, possibly because of My wording. I listed many known symptoms and asked her if she was experiencing them. Then I listed several treatments and how they'll affect her. I have several reasons why I am accutely aware of this procedure.

I don't understand how hard this can be to grasp? I am a little lost here.

Oh well. Take it for what it's worth. It's not worth me getting into much more detail because then I must talk about that which I am not willing, and if noone gets my point now, there's not much added likelihood they'll get it after.

I guess I must work on my presentation when talking with you people, or work a while to fit in or something.

Anyways, good luck. There's plenty of information here. Mine is not needed. I bow out.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 9:15:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

I guess I must work on my presentation

You and me both.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 9:18:05 AM

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You are quite the gem

Thank you, but I never feel that way. Yanno, most days I am just tired.

The single most important thing I have learned through all of this is, I cannot save my children. These are battles they fight themselves. All I can do is be supportive and find them the tools to deal with it. They have to fight, it is their battle rageing in their body. If I could reach in and pull it out I would. But no one can. There are days when I think if only.... but I pull myself out of it. They are beautiful individuals, and they will find thier way. My other children know what the disorder is, they know that it is a fight and they are supportive of each other. I sometimes feel it really has made us closer.

I have 6 children all together, two are adopted. All of them are very familiar with mental disorders and have witnessed it first hand. I like to think this will somehow help them as adults. If anything I know they have compassion and understanding for others that are sick. You should see them come together for each other. It is beautiful!

And btw, I cannot post a picture on the forums of the two children afflicted. But if you are interested in how happy they look together you can email me and I will send you a pic from Christmas.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 9:19:00 AM

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i think you presented your point well...i don't think that was the problem. At this point in this particular thread everyone is pretty much on defensive mode....so what may have been an honest attempt at helping the OP could have been perceived by some, myself included, as an attack rather than simply sincere advice.

My son and i are both "rule out" bipolar which means their is a possibility that we have some degree or level of bipolar....my son is too young to really diagnose at this point, and i truly don't have many of the symptoms or the intensity of the symptoms to make a clear diagnoses, but i do have an extensive list of family members that have bipolar or some form of similar mental illness. It's definately not easy dealing with any form of mental/emotional issue.

Currently i am weaning off Paxil, which is an antidepressant/anxiety med that has truly given me my life back these last two years. i am very much hoping that i am able to successfully wean off it because i feel it's now time to go off the meds. But, i will go back to it if need be, i rather be mentally stable on meds than out of control without them...no matter what side effects i may have gone through it's been well worth it for me. It's a matter of finding the right doctor, which is a true mission in and of itself, then trying the right med, combine it with therapy or whatever helps you out.

Anyhow...this has actually turned out to be a great thread! who would've thunk it!

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 9:36:28 AM

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*Hands back her cookie to Mod 5*
Sorry... have I lost my privilages?

Hell no!! Extra cookies are in order!

I am heartened to see this thread turn around in such a positive manner. It has given me a warm n fuzzy feeling to see. I know i've learned alot on this thread and it has made me take a hard look preconceived notions (especially my own), the limitations of communicating in the written word and, perhaps most importantly, the ability of an online community to rise above both.

Thanks to all for sharing such personal experiences. My heart goes out to so many.

Now, how about that group grope, errrm, hug?

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 9:39:30 AM

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By the way.....Mod 5 , you sent a message, i don't get to read my messages... if it was a warning or something of that nature please let me know here on the boards. sorry. : )

Not at all, it was in regards to a post you made sharing your experience on another thread which struck a chord with me. Just a personal thanks via email.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 9:40:12 AM

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my son is too young to really diagnose at this point

Mine was Dx'd @ 3, but when we looked back at his younger years there were signs. Bi polar does not just "happen" it is a genetic disorder. My father was bi polar and my sister suffers from several mental disorders. I got lucky I guess, I get to pick up pieces and let them lean on me when needed. I do however make them accountable for the actions they choose. If you know you are sick, you have to take the responsability of seeking help and maintaing yourself.

If there are genuine concerns about your son I reccomend you get him to someone that is very familiar with childhood bi polar manic depressive disorders. The sooner you help him the better he will be able to deal with his life. As I have said, we as parents cannot "save" our children from this. We can only offer the tools and support to help them combat what is happening to them.

If you would like to know some of the symptoms my son suffered please feel free to email me.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 10:01:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: ModeratorFive

Now, how about that group grope, errrm, hug?

I'm IN! (for the grope)

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 10:28:44 AM

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Well now. it seems as things have a different feel going on. <sigh> i wasnt going to post anymore, but it seems i have abit of an obligation to those who are concerned. So this is going to be a long post in reponse to everyone elses responses.

From top to bottom:

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

I think you're a little too sensitive and thou doest protest too much. I think you know what you are doing is wrong, and you thought that you might get someone to tell you want to hear in here, but it didn't seem to quite work out that way and now the claws are out.

i really havent a clue what you're talking about.

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you are very edgy right now.. Almost on the edge of your seat. you are getting aggravated when people get in your way. you probably drive too fast and have troubles sitting for any length of time at the TV or reading a book. your concentration is probably low. your sleep level is low and you feel promiscuous. you engage in promiscuous relationships. you may have even been on a shopping binge lately. your anger trips much easier than normal as you are agitated. you probably eat or smoke more. Am I close? I bet I am.

No you're not close, at all. i usually sit my chair with one leg folded under me, or one leg propped up. Constantly changing positions as i have arthritis and my joints start to hurt. It had nothing to do with people in my way, i dont drive too fast, i watch alot of movies, currently am reading a book and spent about 2 hours last night deleting ever post i had ever written on collarme. How's that for concentration and focus? No shopping binges, really i cant, i HAVE a 3 year old that must be taken care of. Anger is actually WAY better then it usually is. i havent been flying off the handle at any little thing. Its REALLY quite nice. Eating less, sleeping less (or more, dunnno) and i'm trying to smoke less as i have been smoking more. i am usually very good about controlling myself, except one thing. Emotions.

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I am telling you, those drugs WILL make you feel that way at first and your Master had no business taking you off them. They are there for your own good. When you hit the right dosages, you will not be acting the way you do now. you will be much calmer, not flying off the handle and threatening people in their PM boxes like you just did.

There is ONE or two things that WILL make me fly off the handle. One of them is saying anything, oh just anything disrespectful about my Master. i often say he is my Sun, and rightfully so. Until you get to speak to him, you shouldnt be making any rash statements. You leave Him out of your statements and i will be much calmer. You definetly dont know him, dont know what he's dealt with in regards to me, dont know ANYTHING. Yes it does moer then slightly upset me to have to say this. So pack it in, until you TAKE the TIME to get to KNOW. Seems reasonable.

You also have no clue what those meds did to me. They PROBABLY werent the right meds. Who knows if i'm bipolar anyways. Want to know what happened on those meds? WHAT really happened? Going into space, worrying about my knees going out from under me and having everyone in the book store stare at me like i was on drugs wasnt bad enough. Nor was it bad enough when Master was concerned on whether to take me to the ER. Or whether i had to literally hang on to him to walk about the store. Nah, thats not that bad. Whats BAD, was what i did. i got upset. Couldnt get it out. So guess what oh so intelligent me decided to do? i decided to carve a cross into my arm. Except i got abit carried away with all the blood. i ENJOYED seeing the blood. So i kept going across with this blade, over and over. i saw my own flesh, hell i saw my own fat tissue (kind of yellow, like a bubble with another bubble attached to it) i had a hole in my arm that was 2 inchs long, 1 inch wide, and deep enough for me to stick my pinky in it (laying down). Its healing, want pics? i could stick my pinky up to the first knuckle in it. But before that, i laid on the floor stretching and cracking every joint and muscle because i had this terrible feeling in me that i couldnt get out. It coarsed through me and all i had was stretching. i couldnt even cry. i couldnt even feel anything other than this thing going through me. So i commenced to carving a cross.

Master has never ever seen me do anything like that before. i've never done anything like that before. He had every right to be concerned, every right to tell me to stop taking them. You know, i completely agreed with him. i've felt like a 100 bucks since i stopped taking them. Yes, i've got an appt coming up soon. i can only go as fast as i can go.

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you will be acting rationally. you will not be impulsive and wreckless like you are now. I am telling you this because even though I don't know you I am trying to help you. The reason you feel groggy is that you had either too much Lithium or too much anti-psychotic in your system. Probably Lythium. It goes by body weight and it must be monitored on an almost weekly scale for months. For the first little while you will feel like you have dulled senses. you will lack motivation and energy. you may even experience dry mouth, water retention in the cheeks or diarrhea.

i'm never rational and always impuslive. Guess what, i was never on Lithium, so the rest of your points are mute.

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Forget about what your Master says and get back into the doctor and describe the symptoms to him/her so they can make the modifications needed and remember that stabilization takes a while. Your Master is not a doctor. He does not know how to treat this. He does not know what He is talking about in this regard, with all due respect to Him. Please don't lay all your faith on him at the risk of your own health (or ultimately lack thereof).

If you do not address this right away, it could become serious in a blink of an eye. Mood fluctuations can be rapid and serious.

Forget about what Master says? Gee, you're so intelligent, why not go tell him that? i actually plan on taking Master with me to the doc next time. As he IS the one that knows me. You're statement has me so irked i'm beside myself. Really there isnt any appropriate answer to your CLearly Unappropiate response.

Dark~Angel i think you're on to something and i think you put that very well. thank you for doing so.

Mod3 i'm sorry for all the struggles you went through. It truely sounds horrific. i couldnt imagine having to go through it. i think it takes an awesome person to be able to deal with all of that and i wish you the best of luck. My heart goes out to you as well.

Ruff i agree that things are easy to be mistaken here online. Completely agree, ten times over.

As for me. This place is the first place in my whole entire life that has a general consent on whether i'm bi polar or not. i know bi polar can be a terrible thing. i understand that. my heart goes out to all who've had to deal with it. Yanno a funny thing, i'm the only supporter in my life that has been campaining that i am bi polar. its ABIT frustrating. i've a friend right now campaining that i'm ADHD. All i know, is i tend to have extreme emotions that i have difficulty dealing with.

MzSuz My apologies. All sarcasm aside, i appreciate your concern. Even if i do not know how to take it. All of everyones. Thank you for trying and i apologize for the way i intially took it. Unfortunetly my theory that everyone is evil and out to get me is usually wrong and i end up making an jerk of myself.

if i could actually get a good doctor to diagnose me with something. it will tell me 2 seperate things. One, my father has it and two so does my daughter. As we are all alike. i am almost excatly like my father and my daughter is almost excaatly like me. Yeah, it greatly concerns me. With her, i just see the same extreme sensitivity. i think if we are bi polar its not extrme, prolly alot more towards mild to moderate. To me, that is a bigger concern. Whatever went wrong with me, i dont want going wrong with her. i read about your son and she doesnt show any symptoms like that. <sigh> it is really all so frustrating.

i'm really sorry, but i dont do well when people are concerned for me. it makes me feel wierd.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 10:45:32 AM

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Mod 5 well, Master handles my mail so i do not have access to it, wasn't being rude or anything : )

Mod 3 my son is now 9...i've been taking him to psychiatrists/psychologists since he was 3 ... at 18 months he began showing a pattern of out of the "norm" behavior... aggressive, extremely impulsive even for such a young toddler, it was way off... anyhow, there were many signs he was presenting which i noticed from early on. Meds were my last option, i was putting that off until i felt it was absolutely necessary without any doubt... when he was in the 1st grade he pushed a teacher, and that was the last straw, this was after many many disruptive behavior episodes in school, evaluations given to him by the school, parent teacher counselor meetings, etc etc *the works* anyhow, the school just told me at that point that either he got on meds or he couldn't return to school...and of course not in "those" words but it was what the principle said basically...he was suspended until his issues were "resolved" or "under control" .... well, to make a verrrrry long story short, he has probably seen just about every doc in the county i live in, it has been a verrrry long road, all these years later he is still on meds, after trying many, ritalin made him jump off the roof (not literally! lol) and others haven't been effective....now he takes abilify, for visual/audible disturbances he's had in the past on a couple of occassions.

there still isn't a set diagnosis for him, other than a.d.d./od.d. they don't know if he indeed is bipolar but the doc suspects that is the case. There are many meds the doc has prescribed which i will not give to him at this point...maybe i am making a big mistake maybe not...i don't know, but i am so hesitant to give him, at such a young age , such strong meds just to see if they work or not....the abilify i have continued giving him only because i see that he has never had an episode as he did several times in the past where he hears or sees things...and even that i feel uncomfortable with because my son is extremely imaginative, i mean his mind amazes me .. he will come up with stuff that makes everyone mouth just drop open ... anyhow, this is the rambling of all rambling here...sorry... i am sure this post makes little to know sense, it's a very complicated issue, and it's consumed my energy, time, patience, mind & very soul....i adore my son with every fiber of my being, but dealing with a child that has such issues, specially when one (me) has so many issues themself....it makes it even harder and overwhelming....i have reached a level where i take it as it comes.... i do my best to help him but i try not to lose my mind or serenity in the process because that would not help him in the long run.... i ask for help more often than i did before...when i see myself just becoming so overwhelmed with him i ask my mom to stay with him for a few hours....just so that i can refresh myself and take a breather....it's definately a struggle, anyone who has children with a mental/emotional/ or physical problem understands, i am sure...how hard it can be on the parent as well as the child.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 11:39:14 AM

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I can more than understand the reluctance to medicate a child. The ritalin had the effect because he does not have the disorder it was perscribed for. Ritalin is a form of "speed" if you will. With children that have ADD or ADHD it reacts the opposite way, it calms them instead of making them jumpy. Unless the dosage is wrong. My sister's son would do fine on it for a few hours, but by afternoon he would become a different person... he would rage, become verbally abusive at times and often fall over in exhaustion after his afternoon episodes of hyper activity.

My son was impulsive and defiant, from early on. As an infant he would be so happy one moment then just scream as if he were colicky the next. His moods changed often as an infant. He had issues with sleep patterns, well beyond the initial patterns newborns have. When he began eating in his high chair he would be having fun, then suddenly start screaming as if something bit him or he was in pain. He would hunger strike as well. He had nght terrors, and we had issue's with toileting as well. If he did use the toilet he would then pull it out and smear it on the walls. Often he would just drop his pants and go where he stood. Sometimes he would try to conceal it, in the toy box or somewhere. He made up stories no one could believe came from a 2-3 year old. He had a vocabulary we have still yet to figure out where it came from. Hence, why I felt he was possessed at times. (yes he claimed voices as well). He also could tell you the name of any and every dinasaur there ever was, and tell you about them. Super intelligent, reading by 2 years old. Same with my daughter, she read by 2 and has been in gifted education since kindergarten. Gifted as in above average, not special education. She plays the violin, trombone, guitar, clairanet, piano,and the flute. Yes she is an expensive child, now if she could just learn the patience to drive herself everywhere!

She was taken into the high school jazz band in the 7th grade. Everyone else was in at least 11th grade before they got there. Her instructor told me he had never seen anyone learn so fast and so well.

Many of the medications are scary. However, if your son is bi polar the longer you wait for treatment the worse it will become. Suz recommended some reading material, I strongly urge you to at least read the first suggestion. You will probably start seeing things a little differently, and much of it may be very familiar. Please for your child and for you, read as much as you can.... push the doctor's. I know you as a mother want to see your son grow up to be a happy healthy adult. And frankly the longer you put his issue's off, the more trouble he will have as an adult. Save yourself the future heartbreak. As I mentioned mine are on a drug called trileptial, I have noticed 0 side effects over the years. It is becoming a reccomended drug for bi polar as the side effects are not like that of other commonly used drugs. My kids are happy and productive, they do well in school and have few outbursts of anger. And when they do they know the cause and try to find constructive ways to vent. My son has a kick boxing bag he uses when he is angry, my daughter writes. They understand they have a disorder, it does not make them who they are. They only know this because we sought aggresive treatment and stuck to the program. It probably helped we were in Chicago when they were treated, some incredible doctor's there. We had a home study done, and basically a therapyst came to my home every single day for months ( as mommy's friend) and observed his behavior. After this she started taking him out to places he liked to go, the zoo, McDonalds and so on. Looking for triggers and behavior patterns in and out of the home. The diagnosis did not come over night, and as mentioned it was not easy. I could not tell you how hard it is to have a child hungry for his favorite jello, only to watch him puke it back up and cry because he just wanted to eat. It was a hard road, but we made it and found something that worked. He is happy.. he is good in school, and he is smart. He has the tools and the understanding of what is making him tick. Something most adults never figure out. I have no doubts about either of my children afflicted, I know they will grow strong.. I know they will be productive members of society with the knowledge of right and wrong. And most importantly, I know that they will hold themselves accountable. Because they now understand what is wrong.

As a side note, I have noticed something about most bi polar people in my encounters. Many are very artistic and excell in certain areas. Most are very smart, but often have a hard time describing how they feel. Suz has embraced her position, and has come up with analogies that describe her feelings. This to me is impressive. As you may find when you start looking for information about the disorder, most cannot get to this level. It takes a strong mind and a determination to face it head on and say damnit I am not going to let this make me WHO I am. Start as soon as you can, find help for you and yours, implement the tools into your life... demand more of yourself.

And if you ever just want to ask a question, or vent... please do not hesitate to email me. I have been there, I know how hard it is to face, and how hard it can be to watch. Sometimes our hearts get in the way of our minds, and it will torment you to watch it and you will want to stop. But for you or your childs future, the best thing you can do is stand strong!

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 11:46:59 AM

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MzSuz My apologies. All sarcasm aside, i appreciate your concern. Even if i do not know how to take it. All of everyones. Thank you for trying and i apologize for the way i intially took it. Unfortunetly my theory that everyone is evil and out to get me is usually wrong and i end up making an jerk of myself.

if i could actually get a good doctor to diagnose me with something. it will tell me 2 seperate things. One, my father has it and two so does my daughter. As we are all alike. i am almost excatly like my father and my daughter is almost excaatly like me. Yeah, it greatly concerns me. With her, i just see the same extreme sensitivity. i think if we are bi polar its not extrme, prolly alot more towards mild to moderate. To me, that is a bigger concern. Whatever went wrong with me, i dont want going wrong with her. i read about your son and she doesnt show any symptoms like that. <sigh> it is really all so frustrating.

i'm really sorry, but i dont do well when people are concerned for me. it makes me feel wierd.

Riotgirl:

Your apology is accepted and greatly appreciated.

I'm sorry, but I don't remember discussing the symptoms of my son's disorder and how it presents. Maybe you have my experiences mixed up with Mod Three's experiences?

Bravo to you for seeing a hurtful cycle playing out in your family and wanting to break that cycle for your daughter!

I agree with you that we all seem to have some 'name' or 'label' to put on the behavior we have seen from you these weeks. I can certainly understand you being confused by the different meds and labels that have been thrown at you regarding this issue and respect your hesitation to give it any weight because it is simply online interactions with people who don't see you every day. I'd think you were really crazy if you were ready to take any and all suggestions we threw at you as gospel. Do remember that often people who ARE in your day to day have their own issues to deal with before they can be a clear source of feedback or positive support for you.

I hear you saying that you feel frustrated and it makes me think "afraid, confused, powerless." That's usually how I feel when I'm frustrated or angry while confused. All very valid emotions and experiences of which I am intimately familiar. Feeling powerless is an uncomfortable place for me (imagine, a domme being uncomfortable with powerlessness! duh), so when I find myself in that situation or feeling that way I tend to look for things that will empower me. Becoming educated and knowledgable empowers me like nothing else I've experienced.

I heartily recommend reading anything and everything you can find on the different things people are suggesting are at the root of your problems. It may not all be on target, but you might find some strands of truth in it for yourself and your loved ones. The internet has literally tons and tons of reference material, diagnostic criteria, articles, support groups, forums and email lists for people who are having similar struggles.

Cutting is a very common response in a lot of the different things that could be at issue. There are a lot of cutters out there who need to know they're not alone (even if you never do it again, it has to have been a traumatizing experience for you). Regardless of what label/meds/therapies or whatever your upcoming path leads you to, I genuinely hope that you are gentle and good to yourself for the next few days as a crash after (hypo)mania is usually inevitable and puts you at some risk.

With issues like this tenacity and perseverence pay off. I can tell you are quite tenacious so it's just a question of deciding whether or not you want to undergo the learning process required to successfully sort it all out. Remember, your best is always good enough, as long as you know it's always your best.

Hang in there.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 7:23:32 PM

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Thank You MizSuz for posting those books. I will be buying them. And thank You Mod3 for being so open with Your words...they give Me hope that the doctors will pay attention.

My daughter and I suspect that My 7 year old granddaughter is bi-polar. Her biological father definitely is and she has been showing minor signs of having the disorder since she was 2. The episodes are not distinct enough to even talk to a doctor about but we are on alert for it to get worse. Because we are aware of what is going on we monitor her emotional stability and when her emotions get out of control we have been interrupting the cycle and talking her down. We keep reinforcing the idea that she must learn to identify the mood swings and we have been teaching her techniques to stay calmer. So far she has not had major bouts of depression. We know that eventually she will require medication but, as I said, so far there has not been an outburst severe enough that a doctor would pay attention to what we know to be going on.

For those who might think that we are jumping to a conclusion without medical knowledge....the child gets 'lost' or 'stuck' in certain emotions and cannot get out of the emotion without outside interference....and the emotions come out of nowhere...they are not triggered by something going on around her. To be more specific....she will be sitting quietly playing and suddenly be unable to stop crying and have no idea why she is sad. The crying and sad feelings intensify steadily and continue until we talk her through control techniques and get her meditating. If we do not interrupt the cycle she cries until she is vomiting from excess emotion. So far anger has not manifested itself and the only cycles are between 'normal' and crying or between 'normal' and laughter.

Gentle Lady

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/16/2005 8:22:27 PM

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Now, how about that group grope, errrm, hug?

I'm IN! (for the grope)

I'll join on group hug....
I've learned soooo much on the end of this thread, am touched, I want to cry for the children, but they are lucky to have you all as parents so aware and so smart... I'm awestruck sometimes by some of the minds here, just great.. M

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/17/2005 3:47:31 AM

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I'll join on group hug....
I've learned soooo much on the end of this thread, am touched, I want to cry for the children, but they are lucky to have you all as parents so aware and so smart... I'm awestruck sometimes by some of the minds here, just great.. M

Blktallfullfig said it so well - I just wanted to second it!

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/17/2005 8:07:01 AM

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As a side note, I have noticed something about most bi polar people in my encounters. Many are very artistic and excell in certain areas. Most are very smart, but often have a hard time describing how they feel.

There have been recent studies (I'm going to look for the article) that linked bipolar with the creative mind; many of us have long postulated that to be the case.

These are links to sites with long lists of people who battle/d various mental illnesses (bipolar and unipolar depression highest among them) and were incredible contributors to society:

http://www.puebloadvocacy.com/famous/nami.htm

Some of the people on this list:

Vincent Van Gogh
Abraham Lincoln - President
Ludwig van Beethoven - Composer
Leo Tolstoy - Writer
Lionel Aldridge - defensive end for Green Bay Packers during the 60s
Michaelangelo - Artist
Isaac Newton - GRAVITY
Ernest Hemingway - Writer
Winston Churchill - Prime Minister
Charles Dickens - Writer

http://naminh.org/action-famous-people.php

John Keats - Poet
Johann Goethe - Writer
Kitty Dukakis - Former First Lady of Massachusetts
George Frederick Handel - Composer
Jimmy Piersall
Teddy Roosevelt - President
Robert Schumann - Composer
Rod Steiger - Actor
Ted Turner - Media Mogul
Tennessee Williams - Playwrite
Tracy Ullman - Actress

http://www.mhasc.org/HelpNow/bipolar.aspx

Charlie Pride
Rosemary Clooney
Sting
Jean-Claude Van Damme
Carrie Fisher
Larry Flynt - That's right, Hustler Magazine
Dick Cavett
Ben Stiller
Connie Francis
Patty Duke
DMX - Rapper/ Actor
Phil Spector
Linda Hamilton - Terminator babe
Margot Kidder - Actress
Axl Rose - Musician (Guns n' Roses)

For a rather long list you can look here: http://www.mentaljokes.com/famous_manic.html

St. Francis
St. John
St. Theresa
Lord Tennyson
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Robert Frost
Cary Grant
Agatha Christie
Francis Ford Coppola
Buzz Aldrin - Astronaut
Hans Christian Anderson
Napoleon Bonaparte
Drew Carey

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4104951.stm

George Ellery Hale built the most important Astronomy Observatory (at the time the largest telescope ever built) in the 20th Century (Mt. Wilson Observatory). An observatory that led to many of Hubble's discoveries which today are the foundation of much of what we know about the cosmos - Mr. Hale suffered from psychosis and often required extended hospitalization.

John Nash (mathematician and nobel prize winner - perhaps you've seen "A Beautiful Mind"?) was schizophrenic.

One of the older books that deals with the relationship between mental illness, especially bipolar disorder, and the creative temperment is "Touched With Fire: Manic Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament" by Kay Redfield Jamison.

People with mental struggles have, throughout history, been significant contributors to society and pioneers in their fields. My completely unscientific, personal opinion, is that we see and experience so much that we have difficulty filtering and integrating things into the day to day. It's like input overload. I could be wrong, but it's what I see.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/17/2005 8:39:07 AM

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Gentle Lady:

Good luck to you with your grandchild. Unfortunately I have little to no control over my grandson's healthcare. I too have concerns for him and I'm hoping that if I offer those books to his mother, already highlighted, that she may take note and insist on a specialist for the child rather than allow his pediatrician to medicate him. His current diagnosis is ADHD, but there is too much there that is obviously incongruous with ADHD and which appears to be much more related to early onset bipolar that my hope is that his mother will get motivated about looking closer and learning more. She's not the brightest bulb in the box and isn't a very motivated person to begin with so it's necessary to walk gently around her or she takes suggestions as personal insults.

I'm glad to hear that you and your daughter are being so very nurturing during what can only be extremely difficult times. My best thoughts and regards are with you in these endeavors.

Please feel free to contact me privately if you ever need to just talk. I'm also pretty good with research and would be happy to help as I can in that regard.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/17/2005 3:47:51 PM

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You also have no clue what those meds did to me. They PROBABLY werent the right meds. Who knows if i'm bipolar anyways. Want to know what happened on those meds? WHAT really happened? Going into space, worrying about my knees going out from under me and having everyone in the book store stare at me like i was on drugs wasnt bad enough. Nor was it bad enough when Master was concerned on whether to take me to the ER. Or whether i had to literally hang on to him to walk about the store. Nah, thats not that bad. Whats BAD, was what i did. i got upset. Couldnt get it out. So guess what oh so intelligent me decided to do? i decided to carve a cross into my arm. Except i got abit carried away with all the blood. i ENJOYED seeing the blood. So i kept going across with this blade, over and over. i saw my own flesh, hell i saw my own fat tissue (kind of yellow, like a bubble with another bubble attached to it) i had a hole in my arm that was 2 inchs long, 1 inch wide, and deep enough for me to stick my pinky in it (laying down). Its healing, want pics? i could stick my pinky up to the first knuckle in it. But before that, i laid on the floor stretching and cracking every joint and muscle because i had this terrible feeling in me that i couldnt get out. It coarsed through me and all i had was stretching. i couldnt even cry. i couldnt even feel anything other than this thing going through me. So i commenced to carving a cross.

That sounds like a horrible evening RiotGirl. Maybe going to the ER would have been a good choice, I hope you are open to that being an option in the future.
Good Luck in finding what medicines, if necessary, that are right for you.

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RE: Putting it straight AGAIN - 3/19/2005 5:23:44 AM

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grrr - argh...

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