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ORIGINAL: SilverShadows

Per our conversation on this subject on another thread: You have done an eloquent job of stating your contract. You may not call it a contract but to me it is a contract. You identify as a submissive and that is all that is important to me in determining what I would call you.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I thought I would add this:

You kinda set yourself up when you said "slaves are this way and submissives are that way" instead of saying what your own personal experience is with your label. It was a very negative statement you made about people that call themselves slaves, and if someone made that statement about you based on calling yourself a submissive, I bet you would react too.

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Original: valeca
Just a question:

What in your experiences has fostered these impressions you have about those who identify as slave?

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

didn't know i needed to have experience first to express my own personal point of view - someone didn't give me a rulebook when i "discovered" my submissiveness.

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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

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ORIGINAL: Shylahgirl

What do the terms slave and submissive mean to you?
 
Is there a difference for you?

 
To me and for me, there is a difference.  These are the definitions that i use and that have relevance in my life experience.
 
A submissive is someone who submits to another's authority or will. 
 
A slave is an owned person and the property of another.  In this society, which outlawed slavery, being owned by another is strictly consensensual and is based on the Owner and the property agreeing to and accepting this arrangement.
 
As a submissive, i kept my birth name.
 
As a slave, my Master chose my name.
 
When i was in D/s relationships, i submitted when my Doms were present, otherwise, i was just as independent and self-determined in what i did and when and how as i chose to be.  When He was with me, i served Him completely but, as soon as He was gone, i was right back to doing whatever i felt like, until the next time i was with Him or the next time He gave me a task to complete.  It was almost like having a split personality and i didn't like it.  i wanted to be under His control all the time and not have the freedom to make my own choices.  That was one of my main reasons for seeking a 24/7/365 Master/slave TPE relationship. 
 
When i became a slave, i had to go through a period of readjustment but, i was extremely motivated to become a total slave to my Master.  He had to break a few bad habits that i had from years of being a submissive and not a slave.  The main bad habit that i brought with me was a mindset that i knew better than my Master of what was good for me, when, in fact, my very smart and caring Master who is very concerned about His slave's health and well being and wants to protect her, even from herself (a workaholic and below-knee amputee), actually knows what is best for His slave, including how much sleep she needs to be at her best and when to get off of her leg.
 
As a slave, even when my Master isn't present, i continue to hear His voice and to do what He has told me to do and what He would want me to do, if He were present.  i don't stop being a slave when He is not with me.  It is within me to stay a slave every minute of the day, instead of deciding to just do whatever i feel like just because He isn't there to see.  i am not locked up or chained all the time and i could get away with a lot when He is at work or doing other things but, i don't because i don't want to.  i want to stay true to my obligation to serve my Master 24/7, whether He is with me or not.  He isn't forcing me to do this.  It is an internal drive within me.  Other than that, i serve my Master exactly as i served every Dom i had relationships with, all of which lasted between 1 - 7 years each.  My life as a slave is now much more strict and structured, which is what i was needing in my life.
 
slave joy
Owned property of Master David

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now if you and anyone else too my OPINIONS (hint the word opinions) to heart -

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ORIGINAL: Shylahgirl
To me slave is more of a fantasy term, because when I think about it, real slavery is completely impossible to achieve in a safe, sane, and consensual situation.

There are abusive relationships out there that the “slave” is really a slave and does not feel that that have the choice weather or not to leave. But of course we do not call those relationships safe or sane or consensual and hopefully no one calls them D/s.

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ORIGINAL: imthesimpleone

To me submission is similar to the control the U.S. has over free speech. Submissives can control the time, place, and manner in which they choose to submit.

Slaves give over that choice to their owners whom they trust to make those decisions for them....

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Slaves tend to be fatter than submissives.

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ORIGINAL: valeca
Seriously, I'm beginning to wonder if it's just best not to ask clarifying questions anymore.