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Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/7/2007 8:27:57 PM   
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SHOOTING ELEPHANTS IN A BARREL
By Ann Coulter

Lewis Libby has now been found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice for lies that had absolutely no legal consequence.

It was not a crime to reveal Valerie Plame's name because she was not a covert agent. If it had been a crime, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald could have wrapped up his investigation with an indictment of the State Department's Richard Armitage on the first day of his investigation since it was Armitage who revealed her name and Fitzgerald knew it.

With no crime to investigate, Fitzgerald pursued a pointless investigation into nothing, getting a lot of White House officials to make statements under oath and hoping some of their recollections would end up conflicting with other witness recollections, so he could charge some Republican with "perjury" and enjoy the fawning media attention.
As a result, Libby is now a convicted felon for having a faulty memory of the person who first told him that Joe Wilson (news, bio, voting record) was a delusional boob who lied about his wife sending him to Niger.

This makes it official: It's illegal to be Republican.

Since Teddy Kennedy walked away from a dead girl with only a wrist slap (which was knocked down to a mild talking-to, plus time served: zero), Democrats have apparently become a protected class in America, immune from criminal prosecution no matter what they do.

As a result, Democrats have run wild, accepting bribes, destroying classified information, lying under oath, molesting interns, driving under the influence, obstructing justice and engaging in sex with underage girls, among other things.

Meanwhile, conservatives of any importance constantly have to spend millions of dollars defending themselves from utterly frivolous criminal prosecutions. Everything is illegal, but only Republicans get prosecuted.

Conservative radio personality Rush Limbaugh was subjected to a three-year criminal investigation for allegedly buying prescription drugs illegally to treat chronic back pain. Despite the witch-hunt, Democrat prosecutor Barry E. Krischer never turned up a crime.
Even if he had, to quote liberal Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz: "Generally, people who illegally buy prescription drugs are not prosecuted." Unless they're Republicans.

The vindictive prosecution of Limbaugh finally ended last year with a plea bargain in which Limbaugh did not admit guilt. Gosh, don't you feel safer now? I know I do.
In another prescription drug case with a different result, last year, Rep. Patrick Kennedy (news, bio, voting record) (Democrat), apparently high as a kite on prescription drugs, crashed a car on Capitol Hill at 3 a.m. That's abuse of prescription drugs (BEGIN ITAS)plus a DUI offense. Result: no charges whatsoever and one day of press on Fox News Channel.

I suppose one could argue those were different jurisdictions. How about the same jurisdiction?

In 2006, Democrat and major Clinton contributor Jeffrey Epstein was nabbed in Palm Beach in a massive police investigation into his hiring of local underage schoolgirls for sex, which I'm told used to be a violation of some kind of statute in the Palm Beach area.
The police presented Limbaugh prosecutor Krischer with boatloads of evidence, including the videotaped statements of five of Epstein's alleged victims, the procurer of the girls for Epstein and 16 other witnesses.

But the same prosecutor who spent three years maniacally investigating Limbaugh's alleged misuse of back-pain pills refused to bring statutory rape charges against a Clinton contributor. Enraging the police, who had spent months on the investigation, Krischer let Epstein off after a few hours on a single count of solicitation of prostitution. The Clinton supporter walked, and his victims were branded as whores.

The Republican former House Whip Tom DeLay is currently under indictment for a minor campaign finance violation. Democratic prosecutor Ronnie Earle had to empanel six grand juries before he could find one to indict DeLay on these pathetic charges -- and this is in Austin, Texas (the Upper West Side with better-looking people).

That final grand jury was so eager to indict DeLay that it indicted him on one charge that was not even a crime -- and which has since been tossed out by the courts.
After winning his primary despite the indictment, DeLay decided to withdraw from the race rather than campaign under a cloud of suspicion, and Republicans lost one of their strongest champions in Congress.

Compare DeLay's case with that of Rep. William "The Refrigerator" Jefferson, Democrat. Two years ago, an FBI investigation caught Jefferson on videotape taking $100,000 in bribe money. When the FBI searched Jefferson's house, they found $90,000 in cash stuffed in his freezer. Two people have already pleaded guilty to paying Jefferson the bribe money.

Two years later, Bush's Justice Department still has taken no action against Jefferson. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record) recently put Rep. William Jefferson (news, bio, voting record) on the Homeland Security Committee.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record), Democrat, engaged in a complicated land swindle, buying a parcel of land for $400,000 and selling it for over $1 million a few years later. (At least it wasn't cattle futures!)

Reid also received more than four times as much money from Jack Abramoff (nearly $70,000) as Tom DeLay ($15,000). DeLay returned the money; Reid refuses to do so. Why should he? He's a Democrat.

Former Clinton national security adviser Sandy Berger literally received a sentence of community service for stuffing classified national security documents in his pants and then destroying them -- big, fat federal felonies.

But Scooter Libby is facing real prison time for forgetting who told him about some bozo's wife.

Bill Clinton was not even prosecuted for obstruction of justice offenses so egregious that the entire Supreme Court staged a historic boycott of his State of the Union address in 2000.

By contrast, Linda Tripp, whose only mistake was befriending the office hosebag and then declining to perjure herself, spent millions on lawyers to defend a harassment prosecution based on far-fetched interpretations of state wiretapping laws.

Liberal law professors currently warning about the "high price" of pursuing terrorists under the Patriot Act had nothing but blood lust for Tripp one year after Clinton was impeached (Steven Lubet, "Linda Tripp Deserves to be Prosecuted," New York Times, 8/25/99).
Criminal prosecution is a surrogate for political warfare, but in this war, Republicans are gutless appeasers.

Bush has got to pardon Libby.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20070307/cm_ucac/shootingelephantsinabarrel

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/7/2007 8:39:28 PM   
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I was just thinking we hadn't heard enough from Ann Coulter lately.

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/7/2007 8:45:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

SHOOTING ELEPHANTS IN A BARREL
By Ann Coulter

Lewis Libby has now been found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice for lies that had absolutely no legal consequence.


Get together with Martha Stewart. She did federal time for fibbing to a fed. No one fucking cares when a Rich Country Club Lawyer gets the shaft. Boo-Fucking-Hoo. Maybe he shouldn't have lied under oath.

Supposedly they teach, in law school, that Perjury is a crime.

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It was not a crime to reveal Valerie Plame's name because she was not a covert agent.


Agreed. And that's not the charge brought, or what the felon was convicted of.

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With no crime to investigate,


DOJ and FBI thought there was a crime. That's why they appointed Fitzgerald.

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Fitzgerald pursued a pointless investigation into nothing, getting a lot of White House officials to make statements under oath and hoping some of their recollections would end up conflicting with other witness recollections, so he could charge some Republican with "perjury" and enjoy the fawning media attention.
As a result, Libby is now a convicted felon for having a faulty memory


Nope. He's a convicted felon for committing perjury and obstructing an investigation. If you could go to prison for having a bad memory, wouldn't Reagan have gone up the river for the whole Arms/Hostages/ Ali North thing?



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This makes it official: It's illegal to be Republican.


It's illegal to lie under oath. IF Libby was charged and convicted of being a Republican, than that would be true.


Enough of deconstructing the idiot, I'm sure others will by tomorrow used much more wit in their analysis.


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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/7/2007 8:49:04 PM   
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quote:

It's illegal to be Republican.


And people say there's no God.



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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/7/2007 8:59:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

SHOOTING ELEPHANTS IN A BARREL
By Ann Coulter

Lewis Libby has now been found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice for lies that had absolutely no legal consequence.

It was not a crime to reveal Valerie Plame's name because she was not a covert agent. If it had been a crime, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald could have wrapped up his investigation with an indictment of the State Department's Richard Armitage on the first day of his investigation since it was Armitage who revealed her name and Fitzgerald knew it.

With no crime to investigate, Fitzgerald pursued a pointless investigation into nothing, getting a lot of White House officials to make statements under oath and hoping some of their recollections would end up conflicting with other witness recollections, so he could charge some Republican with "perjury" and enjoy the fawning media attention.
As a result, Libby is now a convicted felon for having a faulty memory of the person who first told him that Joe Wilson (news, bio, voting record) was a delusional boob who lied about his wife sending him to Niger.

This makes it official: It's illegal to be Republican.

Since Teddy Kennedy walked away from a dead girl with only a wrist slap (which was knocked down to a mild talking-to, plus time served: zero), Democrats have apparently become a protected class in America, immune from criminal prosecution no matter what they do.

As a result, Democrats have run wild, accepting bribes, destroying classified information, lying under oath, molesting interns, driving under the influence, obstructing justice and engaging in sex with underage girls, among other things.

Meanwhile, conservatives of any importance constantly have to spend millions of dollars defending themselves from utterly frivolous criminal prosecutions. Everything is illegal, but only Republicans get prosecuted.

Conservative radio personality Rush Limbaugh was subjected to a three-year criminal investigation for allegedly buying prescription drugs illegally to treat chronic back pain. Despite the witch-hunt, Democrat prosecutor Barry E. Krischer never turned up a crime.
Even if he had, to quote liberal Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz: "Generally, people who illegally buy prescription drugs are not prosecuted." Unless they're Republicans.

The vindictive prosecution of Limbaugh finally ended last year with a plea bargain in which Limbaugh did not admit guilt. Gosh, don't you feel safer now? I know I do.
In another prescription drug case with a different result, last year, Rep. Patrick Kennedy (news, bio, voting record) (Democrat), apparently high as a kite on prescription drugs, crashed a car on Capitol Hill at 3 a.m. That's abuse of prescription drugs (BEGIN ITAS)plus a DUI offense. Result: no charges whatsoever and one day of press on Fox News Channel.

I suppose one could argue those were different jurisdictions. How about the same jurisdiction?

In 2006, Democrat and major Clinton contributor Jeffrey Epstein was nabbed in Palm Beach in a massive police investigation into his hiring of local underage schoolgirls for sex, which I'm told used to be a violation of some kind of statute in the Palm Beach area.
The police presented Limbaugh prosecutor Krischer with boatloads of evidence, including the videotaped statements of five of Epstein's alleged victims, the procurer of the girls for Epstein and 16 other witnesses.

But the same prosecutor who spent three years maniacally investigating Limbaugh's alleged misuse of back-pain pills refused to bring statutory rape charges against a Clinton contributor. Enraging the police, who had spent months on the investigation, Krischer let Epstein off after a few hours on a single count of solicitation of prostitution. The Clinton supporter walked, and his victims were branded as whores.

The Republican former House Whip Tom DeLay is currently under indictment for a minor campaign finance violation. Democratic prosecutor Ronnie Earle had to empanel six grand juries before he could find one to indict DeLay on these pathetic charges -- and this is in Austin, Texas (the Upper West Side with better-looking people).

That final grand jury was so eager to indict DeLay that it indicted him on one charge that was not even a crime -- and which has since been tossed out by the courts.
After winning his primary despite the indictment, DeLay decided to withdraw from the race rather than campaign under a cloud of suspicion, and Republicans lost one of their strongest champions in Congress.

Compare DeLay's case with that of Rep. William "The Refrigerator" Jefferson, Democrat. Two years ago, an FBI investigation caught Jefferson on videotape taking $100,000 in bribe money. When the FBI searched Jefferson's house, they found $90,000 in cash stuffed in his freezer. Two people have already pleaded guilty to paying Jefferson the bribe money.

Two years later, Bush's Justice Department still has taken no action against Jefferson. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record) recently put Rep. William Jefferson (news, bio, voting record) on the Homeland Security Committee.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record), Democrat, engaged in a complicated land swindle, buying a parcel of land for $400,000 and selling it for over $1 million a few years later. (At least it wasn't cattle futures!)

Reid also received more than four times as much money from Jack Abramoff (nearly $70,000) as Tom DeLay ($15,000). DeLay returned the money; Reid refuses to do so. Why should he? He's a Democrat.

Former Clinton national security adviser Sandy Berger literally received a sentence of community service for stuffing classified national security documents in his pants and then destroying them -- big, fat federal felonies.

But Scooter Libby is facing real prison time for forgetting who told him about some bozo's wife.

Bill Clinton was not even prosecuted for obstruction of justice offenses so egregious that the entire Supreme Court staged a historic boycott of his State of the Union address in 2000.

By contrast, Linda Tripp, whose only mistake was befriending the office hosebag and then declining to perjure herself, spent millions on lawyers to defend a harassment prosecution based on far-fetched interpretations of state wiretapping laws.

Liberal law professors currently warning about the "high price" of pursuing terrorists under the Patriot Act had nothing but blood lust for Tripp one year after Clinton was impeached (Steven Lubet, "Linda Tripp Deserves to be Prosecuted," New York Times, 8/25/99).
Criminal prosecution is a surrogate for political warfare, but in this war, Republicans are gutless appeasers.

Bush has got to pardon Libby
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20070307/cm_ucac/shootingelephantsinabarrel

Sanity:
ROFLMAO...Do you read this pap before you put your name on it?
Of course he will...look who Clinton pardoned.  Same scum different day.
If they took all of those assholes out and shot them at sunrise I would buy coffee and donuts for anyone who wanted to watch.  Do you really think there is a difference between the demopubs and the republicrats?
thompson

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/7/2007 10:50:12 PM   
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"Do you really think there is a difference between the demopubs and the republicrats? "

Not Really. The closest I think we come to an honest politician, would be the Libertarians. And just look where their philosophy has gotten them!


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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 3:46:36 AM   
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She's right up to par.... I wouldn't expect anything less from her. But for the record....I think it’s a partial, albeit brilliant act to inflate the contents in her Gucci handbag.



 - R


PS - The mention of Richard Armitage was nothing more than attempt to create false-patsies


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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 3:51:10 AM   
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I refuse to get involved with the totally irrelevant and irrational parts of this post, so I will just clean up a few of the blatant falsehoods regarding THIS issue which keep getting tossed out by the same people, as per their talking point instruction sheet:


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
SHOOTING ELEPHANTS IN A BARREL
By Ann Coulter

Lewis Libby has now been found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice for lies that had absolutely no legal consequence.


False: Obstruction of justice and perjury have huge legal consequence.  The federal prosecutor has explained  that because he had to spend so much time 'cleaning the sand out of his eyes' (being told lies to keep him off the real investigation)  that the he had to deal with these charges before anything else could possibly be done  (reference:  http://www.collarchat.com/m_875272/tm.htm   post 5).  Look it up, Perjury to a Grand Jury is a contactable offense, if you do not know why, I will not try to educate a grown man.  Obstruction of Justice is a convictable offense, if you do not know why, I will not try to educate a grown man. 

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It was not a crime to reveal Valerie Plame's name because she was not a covert agent. If it had been a crime, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald could have wrapped up his investigation with an indictment of the State Department's Richard Armitage on the first day of his investigation since it was Armitage who revealed her name and Fitzgerald knew it.



False:  Valerie Plame was not only a covert operative, she was a highly respected agent amoungst her peers, graduating top in her class and was instrumental in spearheading the 'Brewster Jennings' operation.  This covert operation was a multi year, multi national complex operation, utilizing many agents in the attempt to monitor and track nuclear proliferation in the middle east.  Because of her cover being blown, and the operation being exposed, not only were she and innumerable other operatives both in Washington and the field put in direct way of harm, but their entire operation was compromised and immediately rendered defunct. That is an issue of national security.  The issue of 'the Outing of Agent Plame' was not drummed up by some random lefty who wanted to persecute Republicans.  The CIA  itself was the institution which demanded legal inquiry and prosecution for the exposition of it's covert agent and operation... I think they have a pretty good idea which of their agents are covert or not.  But again, if you bothered to read the facts I provided for you previously, you would have known that (reference:  http://www.collarchat.com/m_875272/tm.htm  post 5)

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With no crime to investigate, Fitzgerald pursued a pointless investigation into nothing, getting a lot of White House officials to make statements under oath and hoping some of their recollections would end up conflicting with other witness recollections, so he could charge some Republican with "perjury" and enjoy the fawning media attention.


False:  Fitzgerald had 5 crimes to investigate, the consequences of which were halting the initial investigation. A jury decided that Libby was lying, not Fitzgerald.  If you do not like the idea of an impartial jury, selected by both the prosecution and the defense rendering a verdict, than you are just fucked, that is how our legal system works.   As for Fitzgerald enjoying the media attention.  He and his office never leaked a single item of the investigation as it took place.  He never allowed for a single comment to come from his office.  He never once utilized the media as some sort of glory ride.  In essence, he personified professionalism, and was commended not only by 'the left' and the media, but by the highest reaches of the Republicans in charge.. even Cheney and Bush commended him on his competency.


I am wholly unsure why you posted an entire article by someone else as a post for discussion, beyond the intention of inflaming people and spreading more misinformation.  That is usually the only thing Ann Coulter does. She (and you, by proxy, it seems) uses well documented Rovian Republican tactic... repeat  falsehoods over and over until people who are unwilling to do the leg work to check the facts, actually believe it as truth. 

The other tactic employed is obfuscation... which really is the remainder of your post, which I refuse to deal with.  You add in a bunch of irrelevant 'white noise' to confuse the issue and take the focus off the weak points, if not outright lies, of your argument.

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 4:51:44 AM   
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I saw the subject line and almost puked imagining it was about Coulter squating over Scooter and doing something unspeakable.

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 5:00:02 AM   
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I saw the subject line and almost puked imagining it was about Coulter squating over Scooter and doing something unspeakable.


Oh, BILL HICKS, do we miss you!

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Speaking of Satan, I was watching Rush Limbaugh the other day.

Doesn't Rush Limbaugh remind you of one of those gay guys who likes to lay in a tub while other men pee on him?

Am I the only one?

Can't you see his fat body in a tub while Reagan, Quayle and Bush just stand around pissing on him? His little piggly wiggly dick can't get hard, 'Uhh... uhh...I can't get hard. Reagan, pee in my mouth!' He still can't get hard, so Barbara Bush comes in.

She takes off her pearls, and undoes her girdle. Her wrinkled, flaccid labia unfurls half way to her knees, like some ball-less scrotum.

Barbara walks over, squats over his face, and squeezes out a link into his mouth.

Finally, his tiny dick gets half-way hard. 'Oooh!' A little bubble forms on the end of his dick, with a little demon maggot inside. The demon maggot pops the bubble, and goes off to join a pro-life group somewhere.


The scary/disgusting thing is that Bill Hicks turned out to be CORRECT about Rush Limbaugh being impotent. What else did he get right?

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 5:50:38 AM   
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Ann c. needs a hard orgasm--- her facts are wrong.

Rush limbough- was a hard core narcotics user. yet- he spews hatred- of druggies. hmm.

The axe swing both ways.

IMO- men need to get more blow jobs [except for bush, cos he a ummmmm p8ss8]

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 5:58:51 AM   
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I am shocked and dismayed that you would malign pussy that way, pahunkboy!

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 6:07:37 AM   
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I am shocked and dismayed that you would malign pussy that way, pahunkboy!


Big Brother would not take kindly to me- criticising the king.

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 6:24:31 AM   
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I have no worries about listing the transgressions of our current president, or calling a spade a spade, even if he does consider himself a divine monarch.

I think your comparison of Bush to the female genetalia is unjust and unfounded, and gives pussy everywhere a bad name!

He is far more of a dick than a pussy.  He is easily manipulated into 'manly', irrational, hard, acts of  rash boldness; makes a quick hard, mindless shot, and then is reduced to utter flaccidity, completely useless at that point but for the spewing waste.

Surely you can see the logic in my argument?

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 6:35:32 AM   
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Permit me to summarize, Puella.

9. Before assuming their offices, CHENEY, RICE, RUMSFELD and POWELL took an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.

10. As employees of the Executive Branch, BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, RUMSFELD, and POWELL were governed by Executive Orders 12674 and 12731. These Orders provide that Executive Branch employees hold their positions as a public trust and that the American people have a right to expect that they will fulfill that trust in accordance with certain ethical standards and principles. These include abiding by the Constitution and laws of the United States, as well as not using their offices to further private goals and interests.

11. Pursuant to the Constitution, their oaths of office, their status as Executive Branch employees, and their presence in the United States, BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, RUMSFELD, and POWELL, and their subordinates and employees, are required to obey Title 18, United States Code, Section 371, which prohibits conspiracies to defraud the United States.

12. As used in Section 371, the term "to defraud the United States" means "to interfere with or obstruct one of its lawful government functions by deceit, craft, trickery, or at least by means that are dishonest." The term also means to "impair, obstruct, or defeat the lawful function of any department of government" by the use of "false or fraudulent pretenses or representations."

13. A "false" or "fraudulent" representation is one that is: (a) made with knowledge that it is untrue; (b) a half-truth; (c) made without a reasonable basis or with reckless indifference as to whether it is, in fact, true or false; or (d) literally true, but intentionally presented in a manner reasonably calculated to deceive a person of ordinary prudence and intelligence. The knowing concealment or omission of information that a reasonable person would consider important in deciding an issue also constitutes fraud.

14. Congress is a "department of the United States" within the meaning of Section 371. In addition, hearings regarding funding for military action and authorization to use military force are "lawful functions" of Congress.

15. Accordingly, the presentation of information to Congress and the general public through deceit, craft, trickery, dishonest means, and fraudulent representations, including lies, half-truths, material omissions, and statements made with reckless indifference to their truth or falsity, while knowing and intending that such fraudulent representations would influence Congress' decisions regarding authorization to use military force and funding for military action, constitutes interfering with, obstructing, impairing, and defeating a lawful government function of a department of the United States within the meaning of Section 371.

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 7:32:14 AM   
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It is always funny to see Republicans claim some sort of victimhood because so many crooks were attracted to their party when they were in charge. Scooter Libby was a lying sack of shit, that is why he was convicted of being a lying sack of shit. What he did was treasonous and yet Coulter defends him... typical

Also typical that she brings up the wrongs of democrats to justify the crimes of republicans. It is that old adage, two wrongs do not make a right, and yet time after time she does this. What a political whore she is.

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 7:34:17 AM   
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I saw the subject line and almost puked imagining it was about Coulter squating over Scooter and doing something unspeakable.


eeeeewwww, and I was getting ready to go out to lunch with Daddy in a little bit.. how disgusting that visual was! 

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 7:35:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: puella

I refuse to get involved with the totally irrelevant and irrational parts of this post, so I will just clean up a few of the blatant falsehoods regarding THIS issue which keep getting tossed out by the same people, as per their talking point instruction sheet:


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SHOOTING ELEPHANTS IN A BARREL
By Ann Coulter

Lewis Libby has now been found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice for lies that had absolutely no legal consequence.


False: Obstruction of justice and perjury have huge legal consequence.  The federal prosecutor has explained  that because he had to spend so much time 'cleaning the sand out of his eyes' (being told lies to keep him off the real investigation)  that the he had to deal with these charges before anything else could possibly be done  (reference:  http://www.collarchat.com/m_875272/tm.htm   post 5).  Look it up, Perjury to a Grand Jury is a contactable offense, if you do not know why, I will not try to educate a grown man.  Obstruction of Justice is a convictable offense, if you do not know why, I will not try to educate a grown man. 

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
It was not a crime to reveal Valerie Plame's name because she was not a covert agent. If it had been a crime, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald could have wrapped up his investigation with an indictment of the State Department's Richard Armitage on the first day of his investigation since it was Armitage who revealed her name and Fitzgerald knew it.



False:  Valerie Plame was not only a covert operative, she was a highly respected agent amoungst her peers, graduating top in her class and was instrumental in spearheading the 'Brewster Jennings' operation.  This covert operation was a multi year, multi national complex operation, utilizing many agents in the attempt to monitor and track nuclear proliferation in the middle east.  Because of her cover being blown, and the operation being exposed, not only were she and innumerable other operatives both in Washington and the field put in direct way of harm, but their entire operation was compromised and immediately rendered defunct. That is an issue of national security.  The issue of 'the Outing of Agent Plame' was not drummed up by some random lefty who wanted to persecute Republicans.  The CIA  itself was the institution which demanded legal inquiry and prosecution for the exposition of it's covert agent and operation... I think they have a pretty good idea which of their agents are covert or not.  But again, if you bothered to read the facts I provided for you previously, you would have known that (reference:  http://www.collarchat.com/m_875272/tm.htm  post 5)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
With no crime to investigate, Fitzgerald pursued a pointless investigation into nothing, getting a lot of White House officials to make statements under oath and hoping some of their recollections would end up conflicting with other witness recollections, so he could charge some Republican with "perjury" and enjoy the fawning media attention.


False:  Fitzgerald had 5 crimes to investigate, the consequences of which were halting the initial investigation. A jury decided that Libby was lying, not Fitzgerald.  If you do not like the idea of an impartial jury, selected by both the prosecution and the defense rendering a verdict, than you are just fucked, that is how our legal system works.   As for Fitzgerald enjoying the media attention.  He and his office never leaked a single item of the investigation as it took place.  He never allowed for a single comment to come from his office.  He never once utilized the media as some sort of glory ride.  In essence, he personified professionalism, and was commended not only by 'the left' and the media, but by the highest reaches of the Republicans in charge.. even Cheney and Bush commended him on his competency.


I am wholly unsure why you posted an entire article by someone else as a post for discussion, beyond the intention of inflaming people and spreading more misinformation.  That is usually the only thing Ann Coulter does. She (and you, by proxy, it seems) uses well documented Rovian Republican tactic... repeat  falsehoods over and over until people who are unwilling to do the leg work to check the facts, actually believe it as truth. 

The other tactic employed is obfuscation... which really is the remainder of your post, which I refuse to deal with.  You add in a bunch of irrelevant 'white noise' to confuse the issue and take the focus off the weak points, if not outright lies, of your argument.


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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 7:52:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: happypervert

I saw the subject line and almost puked imagining it was about Coulter squating over Scooter and doing something unspeakable.

eeeeewwww, and I was getting ready to go out to lunch with Daddy in a little bit.. how disgusting that visual was! 


heh . . . and I only said she was doing something unspeakable -- YOU filled in the disgusting visual details.




< Message edited by happypervert -- 3/8/2007 7:54:33 AM >


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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/8/2007 9:01:21 AM   
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Now I will need my brain washed... I guess I could read an Ann Coulter book or listen to Rush, that ought to do it.

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