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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 7:12:46 PM

puella

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Why are you resorting to name calling, Sanity? juliaoceania has presented facts.. there was no yellow cake in Nigeria, just as Joe Wilson reported. Fact. The Niger Documents were crude forgeries. Fact.

You have yet to present any verifiable facts to the table. Why are you flailing out and calling people names and trying to belittle them?

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 7:21:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

And you're not a "partisan hack"?

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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For those who believe that Joe Wilson and his wife Valarie Plame are partisan hacks... I will remind all of you there was no niger yellowcake, we were lied to about wmd, and they have never found any wmd. I think the facts support the Wilson family... the case for war was fabricated.. and we KNOW that Bush Co are nothing but partisan hacks

What party am I hacking for? And am I a politican?...smiles at such silliness of not knowing what a partisan hack is

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 7:23:33 PM

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Why are you resorting to name calling, Sanity? juliaoceania has presented facts.. there was no yellow cake in Nigeria, just as Joe Wilson reported. Fact. The Niger Documents were crude forgeries. Fact.

You have yet to present any verifiable facts to the table. Why are you flailing out and calling people names and trying to belittle them?

I think it would be a good idea to present the facts that are presented under oath

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/iraq/iraq031607_plame.rm

I am listening to this as I type this post. It is 4 hours long, but I worked all day and I have always been very interested in this story, interested enough to sit through 4 hours of congressional boredom highlighted by relevent testimony.
http://12.170.145.161/Search/advanced.asp?AdvancedQueryText=valerie+plame&StartDateMonth=&StartDateYear=&EndDateMonth=&EndDateYear=&Series=&ProgramIssue=&QueryType=&QueryTextOptions=&ResultCount=10&SortBy=bestmatch

Enjoy!

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 7:25:49 PM

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Thanks juliaoceania, I already have! I Tivo'd C-SPAN today and watched it earlier..there is a lot there.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 7:30:29 PM

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What party am I hacking for? And am I a politican?...smiles at such silliness of not knowing what a partisan hack is

Neither you nor puella qualifies then... interesting.

Look, I know I'm partisan, and I know where you two stand too. The part that I find interesting is how you don't realize how partisan you are, and how you seem to think that turning the tables is so awful. Interesting and humorous...

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 7:32:45 PM

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Having informed opinions about an issue does not make you a political partisan. I do not tow any party line. I look for facts and base my opinions upon the information I have taken the time to find.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 7:35:08 PM

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Puella, did it say in the news conferance if she got one of those spy kits when she signed up?
You know, a pair of glasses with one of those big plastic noses and a big bushy mustache. Oh! And invisable ink too!
Invisible ink is "absolutely critical", no self respecting spy would go around without invisable ink!
Did they ask her if she had any invisable ink in her purse?

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 7:42:04 PM

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Puella, did it say in the news conferance if she got one of those spy kits when she signed up?
You know, a pair of glasses with one of those big plastic noses and a big bushy mustache. Oh! And invisable ink too!
Invisible ink is "absolutely critical", no self respecting spy would go around without invisable ink!
Did they ask her if she had any invisable ink in her purse?

popeye1250:
I am curious if this post has a point of if you just wanted to put your name on some ink...visible ink that is.
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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 7:44:52 PM

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It's okay to admit that you're partisan, puella. It just means that you believe in something.

But you deny that.

Well, okay, whatever you say...

I just hope you don't mind my laughing at all of you. Here we have Democrats calling a Democrat to testify about how bad those mean 'ol partisan Republicans are, and so tonight all of you Democrats are giving each other deep throat, and congratulating each other on being non-partisan, and viciously attacking all those bad, mean partisan Republicans...

It's all too funny for words. But I need to go. I thank you for the laughs, and I bid you good night.

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ORIGINAL: puella

Having informed opinions about an issue does not make you a political partisan. I do not tow any party line. I look for facts and base my opinions upon the information I have taken the time to find.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 7:45:57 PM

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I Tivo'd C-SPAN today and watched it earlier..there is a lot there.

Dork! When was the last time I told you "I Love You"?

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 7:56:09 PM

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No, Sanity. Again, you do not undertand a term you are using.

par·ti·san1 /ˈpɑrtəzən, -sən; Brit. ˌpɑrtəˈzæn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pahr-tuh-zuhn, -suhn; Brit. pahr-tuh-zan] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.an adherent or supporter of a person, group, party, or cause, esp. a person who shows a biased, emotional allegiance.
2.Military. a member of a party of light or irregular troops engaged in harassing an enemy, esp. a member of a guerrilla band engaged in fighting or sabotage against an occupying army. –adjective
3.of, pertaining to, or characteristic of partisans; partial to a specific party, person, etc.: partisan politics.
4.of, pertaining to, or carried on by military partisans or guerrillas.
Also, partizan.

I maintain that my arguments here are not partisan, because I am not basing them upon emotional reactions, but rather factual findings from my efforts to find clarity on the matter. Also, I have no political party which I pledge allegance to, reagardless of the soundness of their agendas, reasoning or goals.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 7:57:52 PM

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It's okay to admit that you're partisan, puella. It just means that you believe in something.

In a political term, Partisan is used to describe a militant or, if not militant, fervent supporter of a party.

In its negative context, The implication being that one is supporting their Party before their State.

I'm not sure what calling for people to testify under oath, where questions exist that people desire answers to, is Partisan, necessarily if it serves the purpose of seeking Truth and Justice.

Some people serve a higher power than The Party. The cynics will disagree, saying that everything involves self-interest. The neglect the existence of ENLIGHTENED self-interest.

The people who say "TORTURE IS WRONG. PERIOD", who say it because they understand in the fullness of time, they may be subject to the laws they propound.

The Turtle Moves.

I suspect Alberto Gonzales will in some small way be taken down by the PATRIOT act's provision for not confirming appointees, and his testimony UNDER OATH that there was no intention of using that provision.

I suspect strongly, when it's investigated, it'll be discovered that Al Gonzales had full knowledge before his testimony of the plan to remove the "Politically Unreliable" USAs, then that's what we call Perjury.

I hear they teach about it in Law School. Al should be familiar with the punishment.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 8:02:26 PM

Sanity

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But these gut feelings of yours have NOTHING to do with any partisanship.

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I suspect strongly, when it's investigated, it'll be discovered that Al Gonzales had full knowledge before his testimony of the plan to remove the "Politically Unreliable" USAs, then that's what we call Perjury.

I hear they teach about it in Law School. Al should be familiar with the punishment.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 8:12:30 PM

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But these gut feelings of yours have NOTHING to do with any partisanship.

More of my feelings about "Truth, Justice, and The American Way".

It's funny that you'd consider a TRADITIONAL CONSERVATIVE like myself a Democratic Party Partisan, just because I'm NOT a Neocon Partisan and have the balls to call Bush the criminal that he is, and demand he be held accountable for his alleged crimes.

Us REAL Conservatives always hated Bush. Mostly because he was lying from day 1, when he called himself a Conservative. Then the drunken frat-boy-wannabees decided to jump on the Bandwagon, and the next thing Pat Buchannan and I know, we're being denounced for our Traditional Conservative Values by the Neocon Party Whores.

Well, The Turtle Moves, and now it looks like we're in for a hell of a show.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 8:54:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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What party am I hacking for? And am I a politican?...smiles at such silliness of not knowing what a partisan hack is

Neither you nor puella qualifies then... interesting.

Look, I know I'm partisan, and I know where you two stand too. The part that I find interesting is how you don't realize how partisan you are, and how you seem to think that turning the tables is so awful. Interesting and humorous...

Definition of partisan

1 : a firm adherent to a party , faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance

I have not pledged my blind allegiance to any group. I am not a member of a political party, I have no cause other than ending an unjust war. If you notice the definition does not say one cannot hold strong positions or opinions. It is about group affiliation, especially party affiliation, and seeing I will vote Green, Libertarian, Constitution Party, and Independent or Reform, I would not say that I have a strong blind allegiance... more I am repelled and revolted by Neo Conservatism.... I know it is hard to conceive of for you since you have a very myopic view of the political landscape formed by possibly Sean Hannity, Bill Oreilly, and Ann Coulter... one can be disgusted by some people and not have blind allegiance to others... in fact I will turn against any political party that does not have my interests as theirs.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 9:09:24 PM

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It's okay to admit that you're partisan, puella. It just means that you believe in something.
Perhaps you might spend a couple of bux on a dictionary. You clearly do not have a very firm grasp on the english language.

But you deny that.
It would appear that you are quite partisan

Well, okay, whatever you say...
The thrust of your post would indicate otherwise.

I just hope you don't mind my laughing at all of you.
Laughing only serves to point out your ignorance of the discussion at hand.

Here we have Democrats calling a Democrat to testify about how bad those mean 'ol partisan Republicans are,
Actualy we have a congresional comitee calling a CIA agent to testify as to the veracity of certain facts.

and so tonight all of you Democrats are giving each other deep throat,
Are you suggesting that deep throat is a bad thing? Your profile would seem to indicate otherwise.

and congratulating each other on being non-partisan, and viciously attacking all those bad, mean partisan Republicans...
Really....when I am getting a little deep throat politics are quite far removed from my thoughts

It's all too funny for words. But I need to go. I thank you for the laughs, and I bid you good night.
While we are sorry to see you go ...we are much relieved that our efforts have not gone unnoticed.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: puella

Having informed opinions about an issue does not make you a political partisan. I do not tow any party line. I look for facts and base my opinions upon the information I have taken the time to find.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 9:19:09 PM

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puella,

It's pertinent in this case. I think there is good evidence that both her and her husband acted and said many of the things they did for purely party partisan reasons.

FirmKY

I usually can get a handle on where you are coming from....This time you are way "out there!"

To establish that someone would "lie" or would not report their findings because of party affiliations is rediculous. If Joe Wilson lied, and there was uranium purchased that would be unbelievable! This is the problem with the political divide, you so dislike the Democrats that you think they would put their Country at risk to embarrass the President.

By your argument if a Dem is elected Pres...No Republican should ever be allowed hold any power in the military, secret service(Because no self respecting Republican would ever take a bullet for some liberal Democrat President) or the CIA. They would just be biding their time to sabotage his tenure-- to Hell with whatever the consequences, terrorist attack, assasination attempt...It's a rediculous notion...And Congressman Westmoreland should apologize! What are we going to come to....General asks,.."Are you an American,'' soldier?" ..."No Sir...I am a Republican?"

It should be noted that they were both respected and trusted Government employees...that is what should go into the record.

Now if Congressman Westmoreland would like to put into the record hat he has no idea what are the "Ten Commandments" he should feel free....lol.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 9:42:35 PM

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Why are you resorting to name calling, Sanity? juliaoceania has presented facts.. there was no yellow cake in Nigeria, just as Joe Wilson reported. Fact. The Niger Documents were crude forgeries. Fact.

You have yet to present any verifiable facts to the table. Why are you flailing out and calling people names and trying to belittle them?

Maybe it’s his version of a Freudian attempt to get into your panties

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 10:47:28 PM

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Apperantly several posters do not understand what the word "or " means. They continue to assert they have to part of a Party to be a Partisan. However the definition clearly has an "or" in it. Perhaps that is too complex a concept for some. (Though it does explain a lot of things.)
"1.an adherent or supporter of a person, group, party, or cause, esp. a person who shows a biased, emotional allegiance. "

Julia in no way does the definition say it is "about group affiliation, especially party affiliation," It says what it says.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/16/2007 11:17:18 PM

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I said that the definition in the way it was being tossed around in THIS thread was about group affiliation, meaning Bush partisan politics and whether the Wilson's were also partisan in their actions... now you can skew my words, but I took that we were talking about POLITICAL partisanship, not a person who is blinded by a cause willy nilly....

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