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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 12:29:29 AM   
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You mean, Joe Wilson said there was no uranium purchased in Niger by Saddam Hussein, because he was being partisan?


It is not just the Joe Wilson said there was no uranium purchased.

Saddam Hussein did not purchase uranium in Niger because Joe Wilson was or would someday become a member of the Democratic party.

Please make a note of this.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 12:35:01 AM   
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And you're not a "partisan hack"?



Irrelevant to the discussion, Sanity.

As far as I know, juliaoceania was not engaged in covert operations for the CIA with Valerie Plame.

Mind keeping the discussion on topic?

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 2:24:32 AM   
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She is very limited in what she can say in an open hearing.
Would not want to be in her shoes for anything.


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IT seems like we are dead ended here folks,I realize the questions must be limited in an open hearing but damm give us a little meat at least....
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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 5:57:34 AM   
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I Tivo'd C-SPAN today and watched it earlier..there is a lot there.


Dork! When was the last time I told you "I Love You"?


hehe I know farglebargle.. it is pretty serious nerd-dome when you Tivo C-SPAN... which I do, often!  But I have come to embrace my inner geek and feel so much more free!!

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 5:59:11 AM   
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Why are you resorting to name calling, Sanity?  juliaoceania has presented facts.. there was no yellow cake in Nigeria, just as Joe Wilson reported. Fact.  The Niger Documents were crude forgeries. Fact.

You have yet to present any verifiable facts to the table.  Why are you flailing out and calling people names and trying to belittle them? 


Maybe it’s his version of a Freudian attempt to get into your panties



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This kind of frightening (if beyond remote) possibility is what further confirms my existance as an elderly spinster shut-in.

(Scans the C-SPAN listings, while simultaneously crocheting an afghan and humming to her 25 cats, mewling at her feet.)

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 7:28:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I believe it was Sanity who was trying to make the case that nothing noteworthy came of the tesimony heard yesterday (at the dog and pony show, I believe is how he put it).  I listed a couple of the things which I thought were very note worthy and forgot another that stuck out:


"The Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), today sent a letter to White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten requiring an explanation of a stunning admission by a White House official that no internal investigation was launched following the leak of classified information. The admission was made during a hearing on the outing of former CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson."

"The testimony of Mr. Knodell appears to describe White House decisions that were inconsistent with the directives of Executive Order 12958, which you signed in March 2003," wrote Waxman. "Under this executive order, the White House is required to 'take appropriate and prompt corrective action' whenever there is a release of classified information. Yet Mr. Knodell could describe no such actions after the disclosure of Ms. Wilson's identity."

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Waxman_sends_letter_to_White_House_0316.html

That seems pretty note worthy to me, especially for a dog and pony show.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 9:19:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, puella, what I said is that mainstream news outlets were saying that nothing new was revealed, and I provided a couple of links proving that. Your coming back later with links to fringe web pages that no one has ever heard of to try to prove otherwise is hilarious...

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ORIGINAL: puella

I believe it was Sanity who was trying to make the case that nothing noteworthy came of the tesimony heard yesterday (at the dog and pony show, I believe is how he put it).  I listed a couple of the things which I thought were very note worthy and forgot another that stuck out:



"The Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), today sent a letter to White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten requiring an explanation of a stunning admission by a White House official that no internal investigation was launched following the leak of classified information. The admission was made during a hearing on the outing of former CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson."

"The testimony of Mr. Knodell appears to describe White House decisions that were inconsistent with the directives of Executive Order 12958, which you signed in March 2003," wrote Waxman. "Under this executive order, the White House is required to 'take appropriate and prompt corrective action' whenever there is a release of classified information. Yet Mr. Knodell could describe no such actions after the disclosure of Ms. Wilson's identity."

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Waxman_sends_letter_to_White_House_0316.html

That seems pretty note worthy to me, especially for a dog and pony show.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 9:23:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Had Joe Wilson been other than a partisan hack (just like his wife) then the Op-Ed he wrote which caused Valerie Plames' outing would have almost had a little bit of credibility.

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ORIGINAL: puella

You mean, Joe Wilson said there was no uranium purchased in Niger by Saddam Hussein, because he was being partisan?


It is not just the Joe Wilson said there was no uranium purchased.

Saddam Hussein did not purchase uranium in Niger because Joe Wilson was or would someday become a member of the Democratic party.

Please make a note of this.

Sinergy




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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 9:47:29 AM   
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Your coming back later with links to fringe web pages that no one has ever heard of to try to prove otherwise is hilarious...


I'm unsure about the characterization as a "Fringe Website" is appropriate, as more than 1/2 the article is a verbatim transcription of the letter actually sent, while the other 1/2 is simply a retelling of the content, without ANY commentary. (Value Added Media, I guess... )

Here's a copy of the PDF from the House Committee's site:

http://oversight.house.gov/Documents/20070316154127-11403.pdf

Are you calling the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform a "Fringe Organization"? Is it because of their investigation into weather the White House is COMPETENT to properly safeguard sensitive and classified information, or if they just broke the law in their handling of the issue?


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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 11:55:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is it really "stunning news" that the White House didn't launch an internal investigation years ago... hah hah hah hah hah... everyone knew that.

NEWS FLASH - YEARS AGO, SOMETHING DID NOT HAPPEN!!! (We now return you to your regularly scheduled unbiased website). Don't you think that the President asked some questions, and and that appointing a special prosecuter to investigate a non-story like this one is more than adequate? That alone is like hitting a mosquito with a hand grenade.

No, it's literally non news from years ago - obviously a Leftist fringe website. Again, it was someone who opposed the Bush administration who leaked Plames' name - and so this is ALL a non-story in the first place!!!

And posting a different website and changing my words around won't add any credibility to your argument.

So try again.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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Your coming back later with links to fringe web pages that no one has ever heard of to try to prove otherwise is hilarious...


I'm unsure about the characterization as a "Fringe Website" is appropriate, as more than 1/2 the article is a verbatim transcription of the letter actually sent, while the other 1/2 is simply a retelling of the content, without ANY commentary. (Value Added Media, I guess... )

Here's a copy of the PDF from the House Committee's site:

http://oversight.house.gov/Documents/20070316154127-11403.pdf

Are you calling the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform a "Fringe Organization"? Is it because of their investigation into weather the White House is COMPETENT to properly safeguard sensitive and classified information, or if they just broke the law in their handling of the issue?



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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 12:29:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you saying the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is a "Leftist Website"?

If it was a "Non-Issue" why didn't Knodell testify to that? UNDER OATH he said simply that they didn't conduct an internal investigation, because of the criminal investigation going on.

I wonder what information YOU are privy to, which the Director of the Office of Security at the White House isn't aware of?

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 12:57:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Are you saying the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is a "Leftist Website"?



What's the matter, farglebargle. Are you having trouble focusing today? Or is a straw man argument your only hope. Of course I didn't say that, quit acting so silly.

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If it was a "Non-Issue" why didn't Knodell testify to that? UNDER OATH he said simply that they didn't conduct an internal investigation, because of the criminal investigation going on.


I said it was a non-STORY, farglebargle. Keep trying until you get it right! Again, I said it's a non-STORY because it was someone who opposed the President who leaked the non-secret agents' name.

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I wonder what information YOU are privy to, which the Director of the Office of Security at the White House isn't aware of?


Now you're just flailing about.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 1:07:30 PM   
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Is it really "stunning news" that the White House didn't launch an internal investigation years ago... hah hah hah hah hah... everyone knew that.
It appears to be agianst the law.
NEWS FLASH - YEARS AGO, SOMETHING DID NOT HAPPEN!!!
Yes it did...and it appears that lil ol scooter may get to go to prison for lying about it.

(We now return you to your regularly scheduled unbiased website). Don't you think that the President asked some questions, and and that appointing a special prosecuter to investigate a non-story like this one is more than adequate?
Do you mean the special prosecutor who just got a conviction against Libby?

That alone is like hitting a mosquito with a hand grenade.
Are we talking about smacking a parked mosquito with an hand grenade pin and spoon intact...or pulling the pin and having it blow up in the vicinity of the mosquito.  The former may have serious effects on the lil bug but the later is problematical.  Much would depend on whether the mosquito and a piece of the shrapnel made contact.



No, it's literally non news from years ago - obviously a Leftist fringe website. Again, it was someone who opposed the Bush administration who leaked Plames' name - and so this is ALL a non-story in the first place!!!
Are you saying that scooter is going to the big house for lying about this because it was really someone else and he is taking the fall for a democrat?   Now there is a stand up guy.

And posting a different website and changing my words around won't add any credibility to your argument.
I do not believe anyone here can do a better job of vocalizing your opinion than you do.
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So try again.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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Your coming back later with links to fringe web pages that no one has ever heard of to try to prove otherwise is hilarious...


I'm unsure about the characterization as a "Fringe Website" is appropriate, as more than 1/2 the article is a verbatim transcription of the letter actually sent, while the other 1/2 is simply a retelling of the content, without ANY commentary. (Value Added Media, I guess... )

Here's a copy of the PDF from the House Committee's site:

http://oversight.house.gov/Documents/20070316154127-11403.pdf

Are you calling the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform a "Fringe Organization"? Is it because of their investigation into weather the White House is COMPETENT to properly safeguard sensitive and classified information, or if they just broke the law in their handling of the issue?



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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 1:07:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		She was  covert, Sanity, there is no way around it, and why it galls you to acknowledge that is beyond me.  The head of the CIA, the head of the Senate Special Intelligence Committee (whilst still under the control of the Republican majority) and the Federal Prosecutor (as well as the woman the Republican Congress appointed to debunk her covert status) have all pronounced her as such.

Why is that so hard for you to either understand or accept?  What about that fact causes you such consternation as to keep refusing to accept the truth.



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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 1:13:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		She was a desk-jockey, just deal with it. If she were so "covert" why did her husband write such a high-profile OP-ED piece and risk blowing her "cover". And once he DID blow her "cover" why do they blame anyone other than themselves. She was only covert in a technical sense... and it didn't really matter, or Joe Wilson wouldn't have "blown her cover" like that. Unless they're just stupid, and I suppose that a case can be made for that.

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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 1:19:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you talking about the piece Joe Wilson wrote about there not being yellow cake uranium purchased in Niger?  That piece did not out his wife, btw.. you might want to read it. The article that first outed Valerie Wilson was written by Robert Novak.

Valerie Wilson and countless other covert agents at the CIA, do in fact do a portion of their work at desks, yes.  She also traveled to Europe, the Middle East and Africa building the covert operation she was such an instrumental part of. 

Where she sat do do some of her work, does not mitigate the fact that by all standards of the law, and by the classification placed upon her by the CIA itself, and attested to by the head of the CIA, she was covert.


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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 1:22:47 PM   
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She was a desk-jockey, just deal with it. If she were so "covert" why did her husband write such a high-profile OP-ED piece and risk blowing her "cover". And once he DID blow her "cover" why do they blame anyone other than themselves. She was only covert in a technical sense... and it didn't really matter, or Joe Wilson wouldn't have "blown her cover" like that. Unless they're just stupid, and I suppose that a case can be made for that.


Wilson was NOT the one to blow her cover.  Her "cover" was "blown" in petty retaliation and for political reasons.  And NOT by her or her husband.  By people like Libby, who is going to prison for the attempts to back peddle and cover it up.  Libby is going to jail for his lying to try to throw the investigation off course.  And attempting to somehow blame the Wilsons for the actions of the White Hosue and their cronies, to use the polite term, is dissembling.  To be more blunt but accurate, its total bullshit.


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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 1:23:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		If she was covert, why did her kids go around telling their friends she was in the CIA ?

By definition the moment you drive through the front gates of Langley you are *NOT* covert.

She and her husband didn't like the path the administration was taking in Iraq and they took it into
their own hands to interfere with it. To this day the english intelligence services still insist that saddam's
agents went down there looking for yellowcake. The senate intelligence commitee investigated his claims
and proved him a liar long ago. This latest senate performance is a whitewash demanded by the far
socialist left.

Plame and her husband should of been fired on the spot and should probably be facing charges. Not Libby for
saying "I don't remember" 6 times.

Also, one little logical argument for you. Armitage *admitted* that he was the one that leaked her. Why
wasn't he charged if she was covert ? hmmmm ? Gotta love having a juror that was the next door neighbor to
one of the major journalist's involved. The liberals have totally corrupted the judicial branch of th e government, they
are effectively above the law and can use the system to persecute governement officials for merely having policies
they disagree with.


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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 1:25:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's right, the one that was proved to be a lie on Joe Wilson's part. THAT'S what started it. HE'S the reason his wife was "outed". People started asking, who is this Joe Wilson guy, and enough people knew all about Valerie Plame that her occupation came right out. It's been proven that neither the President nor the Vice-President had anything to do with "outing" her, and so why you persist in this absolute nothingness is beyond me. You're working yourself into a lather over nothing, and it is funny as hell to me...

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Are you talking about the piece Joe Wilson wrote about there not being yellow cake uranium purchased in Niger?  That piece did not out his wife, btw.. you might want to read it. The article that first outed Valerie Wilson was written by Robert Novak.


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RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? H... - 3/17/2007 1:28:57 PM   
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She was a desk-jockey, just deal with it. If she were so "covert" why did her husband write such a high-profile OP-ED piece and risk blowing her "cover". And once he DID blow her "cover" why do they blame anyone other than themselves. She was only covert in a technical sense... and it didn't really matter, or Joe Wilson wouldn't have "blown her cover" like that. Unless they're just stupid, and I suppose that a case can be made for that.


Didn't you say DIck Arimitage blew her cover?



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