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RE: What planet is Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who c... - 3/24/2007 10:09:34 AM   
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The thread is about Inhofe's belief that global warming isn't well founded in science. So why did you start talking about his "blood lines" and his views on same sex marriage?


If he's a gullible fool, it goes directly to his lack of credibility.



So under this theory Al Gore is a false propet...


hehe ... I always love it when someones own logic bites them in the ass!

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RE: What planet is Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who c... - 3/24/2007 10:14:49 AM   
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When it comes to the issue of Human Induced Trends of Global Climate Change, I disagree with everyone, so no. If you're a Fundamentalist-Nutjob, to me it doesn't matter if you wear a dashiki or a business suit.

BTW, I don't mind Fundamentalist-NOT-NUTJOBS...


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It seems like character assassination is the entire point to the title of this thread, as well as its contents. It isn't about science at all, it's about viciously attacking someone who you disagree with, isn't it.

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If he's a gullible fool, it goes directly to his lack of credibility.





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RE: What planet is Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who c... - 3/24/2007 10:16:50 AM   
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If he's a gullible fool, it goes directly to his lack of credibility.


It seems like character assassination is the entire point to the title of this thread, as well as its contents. It isn't about science at all, it's about viciously attacking someone who you disagree with, isn't it.


Absolutely.

And for puella's further edification, I'll admit that I recognized the basis of this entire thread was about assassinating Inhofe's character.  It was framed in such a way as to achieve a lot of "oh yeah, he's a dumbass" agreements. 

But it was also framed as a disagreement about his stance on global warming, and that is the "part" of the thread that I chose to address.

It's a rhetorical method of turning someone's words back on themselves, in the smaller sense, in order to discredit the OP's initial intent in the large sense.

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RE: What planet is Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who c... - 3/24/2007 10:51:50 AM   
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I do not know why you continually and so very obviously go after the poster when you can not go after the actual content of the post, especially when given facts for its content.

This entire thread is about Inhofe and his motivations.


Ummm, puella, dear... I'm sorry if you feel that FirmhandKY didn't simply take your words as the gospel truth presented in an impartial manner.  Perhaps you don't understand that often "going after" the actual content of a post requires considering not only the original message, but the interpretation and presentation of the messenger.

You want to discuss Inhofe and his motivations? 

Fine.  But expect that your motivations for doing so will be questioned, as well.

You say that you are entitled to an opinion.  Yes, you are... just as he is entitled to challenge that opinion.  No one is stopping you or insinuating that you don't have the right to assert your opinion... just don't expect a free pass when you try to present your opinions as fact.

FirmhandKY has clearly pointed out where he believes that the way you've expressed your opinion skews the facts.  If all you want is people to coo and agree with you, then perhaps a political thread isn't the place for you to post.  I'm sorry if you don't like it.  But I don't believe whining about it is going to help.

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RE: What planet is Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who c... - 3/24/2007 11:04:31 AM   
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I do not know why you continually and so very obviously go after the poster when you can not go after the actual content of the post, especially when given facts for its content.


A thread is a discussion about an issue, usually based on facts and opinions.  You have an opinion.  I just point out that your opinion doesn't match the facts, or that your rhetorical thinking is flawed.  You take offense, and attempt to change the focus.  I point it out to you again.

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This entire thread is about Inhofe and his motivations.


The thread is about Inhofe's belief that global warming isn't well founded in science.  So why did you start talking about his "blood lines" and his views on same sex marriage?

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He, not I stated that his bloodline (geniology=bloodline... he is the one who brought the chart to the Senate and when about the recorded history of his family) is pure (pure-free from what he is saying are evils (given the following textual passages he quotes ... and he quotes the bible on the senate floor frequently) of divorce and homosexuality).    He is a bigot, period.  There are many who would praise him for his blatant words and policies regarding gays and the rights they are not allowed to have, but I am not one of them. 

It has nothing at all to do with propaganda. I did not make up what the guy says or that he made a public statement backing up the fact that he refuses to hire homosexuals... he did.


It has everything to do with your attempt at propaganda.  Your use of the term bloodlines was clearly an attempt to frame him as related to Nazi ideology.  Your attempt to characterize his pride of family as "gloating" was clearly an attempt to cast him in the most unfavorable light.

And what does either have to do with his belief that global warming is a politically motivated movement?

Now, even further ... if you had said Inhofe is a homosexual bigot because he won't hire them - I would have agreed with you. That is likely a fact - but would have still asked you what that had to do with his stance on global warming?


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I just made a post in a thread asking about who this guy is (or rather, what planet he is from) further exploring the character of the man.


"Exploring the character of the man." is code for character assassination, since it doesn't relate to the topic at hand.

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Again, opinion on my part, and facts from the horse's (Inahofes') mouth to back up my position.  Thats all it is.

Why don't you spend as much time on the topic at had as you do on me?


Clarifying and defending attacks on the man's character, unrelated to his position on global warming IS part of the topic at hand.  You are attempting to discredit his stance based on issues that do not pertain to this issue.  Calling you on it is therefore pertinent.

FirmKY


Whoah... you are spinning way way out of focus.

I prefaced my post about Inhofe and his bringing his family tree to congress as the most "important prop" by stating that it was completely tangential.

I also never ever insinuated or even think Inhofe is a Nazi.  LOL,  you are so out there!


I do not think he is a Nazi, I have never said he was a Nazi and never would... he isn't.  I think he is a bigot who uses religion (in a house of Congress which is supposed to be separate entirely from religion)  to attempt to legitimize that stance.  There is a great difference.  You would do a great deal better in dealing with the actual opinions I state, and the facts I have brought forth to illustrate why I have formed them than to make them up for me.  I have asked you a few times to stop doing that... I guess you just can't resist thinking you know me better than I do...I won't peer into that weirdness too closely.


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RE: What planet is Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who c... - 3/24/2007 11:04:52 AM   
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So, you can't call an ignorant fool an ignorant fool?


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RE: What planet is Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who c... - 3/24/2007 11:59:50 AM   
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If I did that I'd get "moderated" for sure.

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So, you can't call an ignorant fool an ignorant fool?


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RE: What planet is Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who c... - 3/24/2007 12:09:38 PM   
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That's what happens to your brain after 30 years of marijuana smoking!
I don't know why people are so gullable to believe all this "global warming" crap.


And you have evidence to back up your statements?

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RE: What planet is Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who c... - 3/24/2007 12:13:34 PM   
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How many of you are following the Ex VP Al Gore "carbon neutral" model for behavior?

Now if you want "role models" here they are. Who wants to sign on for "A Year Without Toilet Paper"?


Statements like this are obviously made to be not taken seriously.

No one expects anyone to go back to the 70s way of thinkig with Buckminister Fuller's geodesic domes and living off the land but any contribution would help....

I suppose those not in favor of cutting down on pollution also do not believe in recycling or more efficent vehicles....

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RE: What planet is Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who c... - 3/24/2007 12:25:50 PM   
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RE: What planet is Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who c... - 3/24/2007 2:54:34 PM   
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4520665474899458831


So are you willing to risk the future of the coming generations to say "I told you so?"
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RE: What planet is Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who c... - 3/24/2007 2:58:18 PM   
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How many of you are following the Ex VP Al Gore "carbon neutral" model for behavior?

Now if you want "role models" here they are. Who wants to sign on for "A Year Without Toilet Paper"?


Statements like this are obviously made to be not taken seriously.

No one expects anyone to go back to the 70s way of thinkig with Buckminister Fuller's geodesic domes and living off the land but any contribution would help....

I suppose those not in favor of cutting down on pollution also do not believe in recycling or more efficent vehicles....

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Sure, I believe in "recycling."
Does burning huge piles of tires count?

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RE: What planet is Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who c... - 3/24/2007 4:31:56 PM   
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I find it rather sad that you are so are you willing to... - 3/24/2007 6:09:36 PM   
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Sure



I find it rather sad that you are so are you willing to risk the future of the coming generations to say "I told you so" ......seems rather big of you to take that cross to bear when it should be left up to those than it affects...

you might wish to change your avitar as it gives a sense of eco which to Me seems you' re not

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Not quite when you make jokes about a method that is us... - 3/24/2007 6:12:00 PM   
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Sure, I believe in "recycling." Does burning huge piles of tires count?


Not quite when you make jokes about a method that is used to kill people in Africa...

I just don't seem to grasp your sense of humor...maybe it is just Me...

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RE: Not quite when you make jokes about a method that i... - 3/24/2007 6:17:41 PM   
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Sure, I believe in "recycling." Does burning huge piles of tires count?


Not quite when you make jokes about a method that is used to kill people in Africa...

I just don't seem to grasp your sense of humor...maybe it is just Me...

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If your burning them to make electricity it does..

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RE: Not quite when you make jokes about a method that i... - 3/24/2007 6:28:06 PM   
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Fast reply........  I have not read this entire thread.  Possibly I should have.  Global Warming is a dead horse for me.  Honestly I attempted to give it some creedence way back when in the day's of Canned Hairspray.  Then it hit me, we had an ice age how many years ago?  Leads me to wonder WTF caused that one.  Life goes in cycles, birth, death, spring and fall.  Our earth heats up, our earth cools down ..  it's just that it goes alot slower then what we are used to so when we do take notice it appears a big thing.  As for Gore?  He's a flippin Alien.  

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RE: Not quite when you make jokes about a method that i... - 3/25/2007 2:46:36 AM   
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Not quite when you make jokes about a method that is used to kill people in Africa...


If your burning them to make electricity it does..


I believe your feeble attempt at humor has just crossed the line of distasteful to offensive.

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RE: Not quite when you make jokes about a method that i... - 3/25/2007 2:48:07 AM   
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Fast reply........  I have not read this entire thread.  Possibly I should have. 


Yes maybe you should have tried to wallow through the muck a bit.

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RE: Not quite when you make jokes about a method that i... - 3/25/2007 2:52:49 AM   
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Global Warming is a dead horse for me.  Honestly I attempted to give it some creedence way back when in the day's of Canned Hairspray.  Then it hit me, we had an ice age how many years ago?  Leads me to wonder WTF caused that one.  Life goes in cycles, birth, death, spring and fall.  Our earth heats up, our earth cools down ..  it's just that it goes alot slower then what we are used to so when we do take notice it appears a big thing. 


So your theory of the history of the earth and planets as you see it, is justifiable into taking the chance of by not even trying, because you were jaded by what did not happen in the 70s because your values were not met by others when you felt justified, and you now feel that your apathy and indigancy is worth risking the future of generations to come?

Did I get that right?

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