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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/20/2007 10:04:10 PM   
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My sister owns a pig, and it is smarter than a dog,


Pigs are supposed to be pretty smart, actually. Makes me feel a bit guilty about loving pork.

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/20/2007 10:06:23 PM   
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My sister owns a pig, and it is smarter than a dog,


Pigs are supposed to be pretty smart, actually. Makes me feel a bit guilty about loving pork.


My sister's pig gets scraps sometimes (what pig doesn't love those?). One time my brother in law was going to feed it a ham sandwich and my sister ran after him and said "Don't!" I guess it did not occur to him how wrong feeding a pig some pig would be...he turned white when he realized his mistake.

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/20/2007 10:10:58 PM   
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     Once I get back out in the country a little ways, it would be something to consider.

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/20/2007 10:44:13 PM   
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Would that be the bottom line if Alec Baldwin were an outspoken Conservative though, instead of what he is - a huge Bush-bashing moron

Why does that matter?  It's just one moron bashing another, so what's the problem?

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 7:17:45 AM   
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His defenders would defend him; his attackers would attack.

Same dynamic we're seeing now. Same one we've seen in countless media frenzies.

The one difference I can imagine would be if the conservative had been a "family values" advocate. Then there'd be a (legitimate imho) hypocrisy angle.


No, I think that moron.org and the National Association of Gals (the NAGS) would have had his house surrounded by protesters demanding his head had it been Sean Hannity

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 7:18:57 AM   
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Why does that matter?  It's just one moron bashing another, so what's the problem?

~stef


That's really cruel. What evidence do you have showing that that little girl is a moron

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 7:19:46 AM   
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What's there to say?
The guy is an ASSHOLE!
I thought he was going to leave the U.S. if Bush was elected?

Yeah, i think he promised he would.  What bothered me most about it is the fact that, as angry as he sounded on this rant, i couldn't imagine him talking to her like this in person WITHOUT physical violence accompanying it.  i could just picture him having her by the arm shaking and jerking her and being right up in her face.  Someone who could get that irrationally angry over a child not answering when he calls doesn't seem to have much self-control. Geez, i wonder why she doesn't anxiously wait by the phone eagerly looking forward to his calls?  That part about how he was going to fly out there for the day just to "straighten" her out was a veiled threat of abuse if i ever heard one.  Poor little girl.......slave luci 

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 7:24:43 AM   
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I am pissed that it was spread all over the news and equally as piss because someone posted it here..BH

i'm no more pissed by this than by the round-the-clock coverage of every f'ng minute of Anna Nicole Smith's life (after she had passed).  At least in this case, they're talking about someone who is still alive and who could possibly need protection from an abusive parent.  The kind of drivel that passes for news everyday is annoying, i agree, but to me this is no worse than any other story (that really isn't news) that they talk to death every single day...............slave luci

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 7:30:33 AM   
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[The mother did it in order to make the father look bad and violated a court order which is wrong as was the father's message. 
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the "father" doesn't need ANY help looking bad.  He manages quite well on his own.  And - somehow i don't think violating a court's order is anywhere near as bad as this "father's" message to his daughter.  Court's issue arbitrary orders everyday.  If i was a parent and my child's father spoke to her like this, i'd do what i have to do to protect her.  i agree that whoever made the tape public chose poorly because it probably will just serve to further embarrass the child.  BUT... perhaps they were just trying to make others aware of just how detrimental this "father's" behavior really is toward Ireland.  Sometimes courts totally drop the ball and parents are left feeling desperate as to what to do........slave luci

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 12:20:04 PM   
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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 12:26:33 PM   
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And - somehow i don't think violating a court's order is anywhere near as bad as this "father's" message to his daughter.
 
I am of the opinion that violating court orders in custody cases is indeed a bad thing. I think the phone call was dreadful. I listened to it, and to be very honest I have heard worse from my mother, and said ugly things to my son out of complete and utter frustration and anger (although I do not name call anyone, especially my son). You do not know the history of what has occurred in their family.

I have never respected people that put their children in the middle of their shit... it seems both sides have done this here. I state that the mother in this case is better than the father really reeks of prejudice. You do not know the things this mother has said to poison the well, you do not know their personal business. I have been involved with men that had harpie ex wives that used their children as a weapon, drug them into court for no reason, and basically were psychotic while managing to put a show on for the rest of the world about how "good" they were.

There are no winners when parents can't work their personal bullshit out. Invariably the kids get hurt. This is a classic example of that. What I heard in this man's voice was complete hurt and being rejected by his daughter, whether he deserves that or not I cannot decide as an outsider to this situation.. but rest assured, the mother is no angel.. providing this tape to the media is very telling to me because if this is an example of the worst it has ever gotten, it does not rise to the level of completely demonizing him as a father in the eyes of the public. Half of her child's DNA is the same as her ex husband's, for that very fact alone she should try to be a balm on that relationship... not a hinderance.

I have an ex that refused to be a part of my UM's life in any real or meaningful way. I begged him when my UM was young to do so. I tried to be a force of peace in helping them get to know each other as my UM grew up and was angry with his father, not because I gave a rat's ass about my ex, it was for the love of my son. Who wants their child to be wounded and angry and hate their other parent? Who would try to divide the loyalty and the heart of a child that way? That is not loving, that is the epitome of selfishness, expecting your child to take "your" side. It is damaging. I knew that even when I was only 23 and split with my ex husband, and I swore I would do everything I could not to hurt my UM by involving him in a dispute.

The idea of doing this to my UM is revolting to me. It is a trespass of the worst sort, and the girl may very well grow up and reject her mother completely for it.

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 1:56:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		juliaoceania,
You make some great points.  As always, there are many sides to every story/issue.  Situations like this just serve to remind me of one of the millions of reasons i chose to never bear children.  My heart aches for children born to parents who conduct themselves no better than those in this situation.  Using children as pawns is inexcusable......luci

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 2:05:13 PM   
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After listening to the venonmous vehemence of that message: No adult should speak to a child that way - it only indicates that Alex Baldwin is immature, concerned only about himself, and out of control, and he was verbally abusive to his daughter with whom he stated he has a good relationship.  And I seriously doubt it's his first experience in being verbally abusive.

It would appear on the surface that both parents have some control issues, anger management issues, manipulation and maturity issues.... they should address those to each other, not through their child or to their child.

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 3:47:37 PM   
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His defenders would defend him; his attackers would attack.

Same dynamic we're seeing now. Same one we've seen in countless media frenzies.

The one difference I can imagine would be if the conservative had been a "family values" advocate. Then there'd be a (legitimate imho) hypocrisy angle.


No, I think that moron.org and the National Association of Gals (the NAGS) would have had his house surrounded by protesters demanding his head had it been Sean Hannity


As I said to Rich, I had no idea that conservatives had such a flair for the victim role.

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 4:11:08 PM   
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His defenders would defend him; his attackers would attack.

Same dynamic we're seeing now. Same one we've seen in countless media frenzies.

The one difference I can imagine would be if the conservative had been a "family values" advocate. Then there'd be a (legitimate imho) hypocrisy angle.


No, I think that moron.org and the National Association of Gals (the NAGS) would have had his house surrounded by protesters demanding his head had it been Sean Hannity


As I said to Rich, I had no idea that conservatives had such a flair for the victim role.


I would say more of a persecution complex

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 5:19:56 PM   
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I would say more of a persecution complex


Not that I care, as I am as bad as anyone else, except I wanted to show you how you're mistaken. That's not "debating" as you like to tell yourself, that's attacking. 

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 5:22:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not debating anything in this thread for one, and I am not the one whining about how liberals always get attacked, for another.

Edited to add, perhaps "whining" is too harsh of a word, "complaining" would be more appropriate

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 5:41:47 PM   
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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 8:21:13 PM   
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The only comment I have ever made to either of my children is essentially "Court orders prohibit me from discussing your mother with either of you."

Whenever my ex-wife has an emotional meltdown because I objected to my parents about my ex-wife meddling in my affairs or insulting the people in my life, pointing out to them that my ex-wife is in violation of court orders, or am tired of her attempts to stalk me, my son stops returning my phone calls.

Go figure.

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RE: Alec Baldwin blasts 11-yr old daughter - 4/21/2007 8:28:11 PM   
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Not a reply to anybody in particular.

The only comment I have ever made to either of my children is essentially "Court orders prohibit me from discussing your mother with either of you."

Whenever my ex-wife has an emotional meltdown because I objected to my parents about my ex-wife meddling in my affairs or insulting the people in my life, pointing out to them that my ex-wife is in violation of court orders, or am tired of her attempts to stalk me, my son stops returning my phone calls.

Go figure.

Sinergy


Why even go there?  By making a statement like that you are putting her down. One of my brother's has a wacko ex wife.  my parents have refrained making any statements about her even though she has made many damaging statements about them and now they have a decent relationship.  i believe that kind of statement is made to influence a child.

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