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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 5:24:16 PM   
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So he's shown that he can manipulate and abuse girls who are used to being manipulated and abused. Groovy. Find the ones who have been molested and you'll find ones who think this is the way sex is supposed to be. But you aren't domming them, just abusing them some more. One day they'll wake up and realize they are worth more than what you're giving them. But will you ever wake up and realize you're just being a jerk?

I think that's a bit too presumptuous- plenty of people get off on the danger/naughty/nasty/bad boy who I can't wrap around my finger thing.  Nothing he's said seems to suggest this is non consensual.

I dislike people trying to make women less responsible for their own sexual choices. 


Thank you, LA..  I just spent part of my afternoon, in between clients, listening to my youngest um and my youngest "adoptive" um tell me how "nice" guys are "fakes", boring, and not real.  I listened to them tell me how the use of "slut", "whore", "bitch"...by each other to each other as well as guys to them and them using words like "pimp", "asswad", etc. to guys is "more" real and more O.K. than "honey", "sweetie", "dear".  
I know part of it may have been to shock Dear Old Dad...but having listened to young people speak to each other in other venues...I seriously doubt whether the ladies mentioned by the OP were objecting to much to his behavior and doubt that any of them cried "rape". 
Perhaps it is why some...though certainly not all...of the younger submissives do not feel the "humiliation" turn-on of such words when uttered by an older dominant in their ear.

Am I just hopelessly old-fashioned in thinking that there are young ladies who want nice young guys? 

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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 5:36:56 PM   
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As for being an asshole...  That never worked with me at any age.  I scorned guys like those even though my self-esteem sucks.  Then again, I was waiting for my future husband for sex.  Now I'm married and glad I waited.
 
OP, you should ask yourself something.  What's worth more - sex or a person?  Please think before you mistreat someone.  Just because they respond to it doesn't mean they aren't crying inside.  You may be adding just one more emotional scar to someone's life.  Those add up over time.
 
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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 5:50:11 PM   
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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 5:55:17 PM   
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You know...I cant really be THAT hard on the guy...

Because...when I was 17-19, the only thing I really cared about was getting layed.


Ah OK so pass him along to Me then. because I'd learnt to stop doing that by the time I was 15 (OK so I found what I actualy wanted and it came with proper relationships attatched so I had to grow the hell up in order to get it!)

Hmmmm actualy, given he ain't My type, I'll just hogtie him, add a pretty pink bow and pass him along to LotusSong.... she seems to have a learning experience in mind that might effect an attitude change in him


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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 6:58:53 PM   
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So he's shown that he can manipulate and abuse girls who are used to being manipulated and abused. Groovy. Find the ones who have been molested and you'll find ones who think this is the way sex is supposed to be. But you aren't domming them, just abusing them some more. One day they'll wake up and realize they are worth more than what you're giving them. But will you ever wake up and realize you're just being a jerk?

I think that's a bit too presumptuous- plenty of people get off on the danger/naughty/nasty/bad boy who I can't wrap around my finger thing.  Nothing he's said seems to suggest this is non consensual.

I dislike people trying to make women less responsible for their own sexual choices. 


Oooo I just love this thread already!  I have to back LA up 100% on this one....  There are plenty of ones that do get off on trying to nail down dangerous nasty bad boys.  Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... I can imagine people gasping at this thought.  Women can be just as bad as men when it comes to just wanting to get laid.  There is a lot stereotyping that goes on at times, more then many people care to admit or deal with.

My preception of many things took a 180 degree spin when I was 17 years old, and started playing guitar in a band out in bars back in the 80's..   This was a radical real time education!  Amazing how many musicians literally try to live up to the bad boy image or find themselves being stereotyped as a bad boy.   Did I get caught up in the image of being a bad boy, you betcha I did.  However, it was mostly an image and I tended to maintain a higher level of self control over on going party around me.   At times I had to fight like hell over having the rock in roll bad boy image!  You know all the mindless drugs, sex and rock-n-roll bullshit.   I had people thinking or accusing me of using drugs when I was not. I had to deal with girls and women thinking I was into getting laid and the whole nine yards of bullshit.  

In Short dealing with many people that had stereotyped image of what a guitar player should or should not be.  Did I have the bad boy look and attitude, oh Hell Yes.   But when it came down to it, I was not off doing the drugs and engaging in mindless sex with every girl that came along.   Did I do a lot of flirting and whatnot, Hell yes.   Anyways, I did not seek most of this out, it all just was part of the package deal in playing in a band.   There were times when I just wanted to get away from all this crazy bullshit.   But you'd be suprised how some women act and behave towards guys with a bad boy image.

Did I have my moments when I got laid, you betcha I did.  However, I was very selective and picky about who.  Women can be wonderfully manipulative creatures perhaps even more so then most men.   I saw way too many things going on around me, hard to ignore and at times deal with.   OH yeah, let's not forget the Level of Peer pressure to do these things.  I actually had people questioning me for not sleeping or not taking somebody to bed.   Peer pressure for not having taken a girl up on an offer for a blow job outside in a car or some other crap.  Peer presure for not having smoked up some weed, done a line of coke and been part of a bedroom gangbang going on at the time.

I can probally rant on and on here.  Needless to say, woman can be just as bad if not worse in simply just wanting another notch in their own belts as well.  Many of them simply wanted to capture a sort of Trophy or prize in a twisted way too.  Be amazed at how many girls want to make a bad boy their boyfriend in 2.5 seconds flat if they can.

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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 7:05:20 PM   
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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 7:34:57 PM   
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I dislike people trying to make women less responsible for their own sexual choices. 
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I know when I was the age these girls he is talking about are, I was so emotionally screwed up that I would do anything just to have someone love me. I think it is unfair of someone who doesn't know where that could come from to judge where these girls are.

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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 7:37:55 PM   
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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 7:50:21 PM   
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I dislike people trying to make women less responsible for their own sexual choices. 

I know when I was the age these girls he is talking about are, I was so emotionally screwed up that I would do anything just to have someone love me. I think it is unfair of someone who doesn't know where that could come from to judge where these girls are.

Many people are emotionally screwed up at all kinds of age levels.  Yes, there are men out there that prey on emotionally screwed up girls.  But not every girl or guy is emotionally screwed up.   Some people are just attracted to the bad boy or even bad girl images and it's all part of the sexual attraction.   Some people simply want to get laid be it men or women.   I think LA was getting at is this.   It takes two to tango!   As much as men should be responsible women should be as well.  There are women out there at jump from bad boy to bad boy, like the flavor of the week.  It's not just the bad boys doing the flavor of the week.    So this is what happens when a bad boy and bad girl hook up with one another.

Now there are boy boys that end up hurting Good Girls... there are also Good guys that end up finishing last and get tossed to the side by girls as well.

I've seen a number of Girls ditch some really great guys for bad boys!  In short where these guys got the screw job.  So who was responsible?  Do you feel these girls should have no responsibility for their own sexual choices?

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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 8:10:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Absolutely not, but I do think that that statement lumped everyone into one catagory. Not all girls are looking for a bad boy, some are just looking for love in whatever form they can get it. 

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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 8:16:51 PM   
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You know...I cant really be THAT hard on the guy...

Because...when I was 17-19, the only thing I really cared about was getting layed.


Ah OK so pass him along to Me then. because I'd learnt to stop doing that by the time I was 15 (OK so I found what I actualy wanted and it came with proper relationships attatched so I had to grow the hell up in order to get it!)

Hmmmm actualy, given he ain't My type, I'll just hogtie him, add a pretty pink bow and pass him along to LotusSong.... she seems to have a learning experience in mind that might effect an attitude change in him



I take great comfort in the knowledge that he is going to pull his act on the wrong woman someday and get bitch-slapped into reality.

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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 8:19:16 PM   
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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 8:19:17 PM   
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i think a lot of people are exaggerating how disrespectful i am to girls, i'm talking about little things like for example, i'll help a girl with her chemistry and make her feel a little dumb, but i still helped her right? or telling a girl her six in heels look really confortable and then challenge her to a foot race, or commanding girls to bring me food while im studying. these things show dominance, they are kinda dick but its all fun.



I changed my mind.. he's not worth the effort.

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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 8:31:07 PM   
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so i am a 20 year old college student and like many people i am trying to learn the art of finding attracive people to have sex with. i definetly prefer being a Dominant when it comes to sex but when sexual encounters are infrequent beggers can't be choosers meaning i'de take sex however i can get it. However, lately i have been getting a lot of sex with lots of different women exactly how i want it. And latley i have changed the way i talk to women. because i am a Dominant when it comes to sex, i decided to try showing more dominance when i talk to women. i show dominance in conversations the same way i show dominance in sex. to show dominance in conversations with women you should make fun of them, mess up their hair, make them feel stupid, humilliate them, pick at their flaws, and objectify them. if you can do this in a light hearted playful manner girls will want you to fuck them. psychologically you have already shown so much dominance that in the bedroom you call all the shots. lately i have been fucking girls howevery i want, whenever i want. and they like it. is this how nature intended us to behave? do you male Doms out their veiw yourself as an alpha male? subs feel free to give your thoughts too.


You are kidding right? The guys I know who do this get laid once, maybe a couple of times. Then all the girls realize what an real POS the guy is and leave for a guy who is both dominant and you... a good man.

What you are taking about isn't being dominant. It's being an asshole.

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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 8:35:18 PM   
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some of my girls do want more from me than just sex, i try and accomodate that too. it does come around to bite me in the ass sometimes but whatever, it comes with the territory and 20 year old girls love drama anyway. i try to keep my relationships as fun and as light hearted as possible so no one gets attached. i think grief and attachment may be linked. fun is a little more single serving


I have a psychic prediction. Some uber hot smokin smart woman is going to shoot you down so bad that your ego will need to be scraped off the floor. This will happen because you think that she is so magnificent that you just gotta have her. She will bend you like a pretzel and you will ask "how high" when she says "jump". I have seen your type when I was young, and I always pondered how come men could be assholes to nice girls, but the ones that were hard to get and total bitches had them peeing on the floor like love starved puppy dogs. It happened every time.

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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 8:35:54 PM   
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ok MizSuz is a bitch. i am new to this whole community and i was just speaking my mind. honestly, the positive response from girls when i decided to start being a asshole was pretty unexpected. i was raised by women and have 4 sisters, an no brothers, my whole life i have been raised to have the upmost respect for women. so why do nice guys finish last? even after i am disrespectful to these girls and fuck them like sluts they still like me usually come back for more. Being a dick seems to work for picking up many demographics of women, smart and dumb ones. just recently i was able to fuck my biochem lab TA from winter term who was smokin hot. i tied her up with a neck tie and fucked her senseless. we still talk and fuck. i like to look at human as complex animals that exibhit most of the same behaviors as other animals but we are more decrete about it. when it comes to sex, mate selection is about choosing the best one, which is usually partner that will lead to the healthiest strongest offspring. although this is never the thought that comes to mind when thinking about sex on some level it has got to be there. in many animals lions for example the dominant alpha male is the strongest so he gets fuck an whole pride of female lions, this is so his genes (which are the best ones) get passed on. human's brains are what make them the strongest animals, proof of this are guns and planes and shit. so a large part of showing dominance in humans is psychological which i am sure everyone is aware of (collarme). i show dominance by being a smart, cocky asshole. along some peacock theory and a good physical fitness i have been unstoppable.


Girls your age are, for the most part, stupid when it comes to boys. Your assholeness seems confident. You will get laid until they get smart and realize that all you are doing is being a jackass. I predict you'll be fine until you hit 25, maybe 30. At that point you'll have to start dating girls nearly half your age because, as it's often said, "They are only ones who don't know better".

That is, unless you realize that when many, many experienced subs and doms tell you you are being an asshole and not a dominant, maybe... just maybe... you should consider their point of view. But hey... what do I know? I'm just a stupid sub whose been doing this longer then you, has fucked the assholes who behaved like you, realized they were assholes and told them "Nope, you are an asshole. No more sex for you" and then went out to find men who were confident, dominant, and capable of being a decent human being.

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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 8:45:40 PM   
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If it is true that a dominant is in charge of himself first, then I can’t agree that you are 'showing' any dominance.  You, dear domlybadass boy, are controlled by  your cock.  Ho-hum, not very unique. 

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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 9:12:07 PM   
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I have a psychic prediction. Some uber hot smokin smart woman is going to shoot you down so bad that your ego will need to be scraped off the floor. This will happen because you think that she is so magnificent that you just gotta have her. She will bend you like a pretzel and you will ask "how high" when she says "jump". I have seen your type when I was young, and I always pondered how come men could be assholes to nice girls, but the ones that were hard to get and total bitches had them peeing on the floor like love starved puppy dogs. It happened every time.


Got to love them psychic predictions.  I've seen this happen time and time again too, where a dude like this will meet his match.    Amazing how these type of guys (with no sense sexual self control) tend to have a self fullfilling prophecy of meeting a girl that will make them want to settle down.  Along comes a proverbial bitch from hell and their prophecy is completed.  They honestly believe they have met THE ONE, even if she is the biggest bitch ever. LOL...   Call this poetic justice for all it's worth.

Moral of this story is, don't expect to meet somebody to change your lack of self control.  You are asking for somebody to Dom your Dumb Dom Ass and it won't be pretty either.

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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 9:20:17 PM   
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Moral of this story is, don't expect to meet somebody to change of your lack of self control.  You are asking for somebody to Dom your Dumb Dom Ass and it won't be pretty either.


And, if they are lucky, the girls he is being such an asshole to now will get to watch and snicker. Remember - karma is a bitch and being an asshole to those who haven't consented to such treatment only ensures that once you get more involved with other doms and subs, you'll just earn youself the badge of whispered "Don't bother with him".

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RE: Doms should show dominance everywhere - 5/2/2007 9:22:43 PM   
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Absolutely not, but I do think that that statement lumped everyone into one catagory. Not all girls are looking for a bad boy, some are just looking for love in whatever form they can get it. 

Agreed- they are still just as responsible for their consensual choices.

I can agree that many women are socialized from the moment they are born to be abused, to thrive in abuse, to know nothing other than abuse and to be able to attract the one abusive asshole out of a thousand nice guys.

They are still responsible for choosing the relationships they get into, and responsible for leaving.

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