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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

"yes illegal is illegal"

As a general response to this concept.

Hiding Jews from the Nazi Occupation in France was "illegal", would those who blindly advocate obedience to the law, need to answer this question, would you have obeyed the law and reported those Jews, assuredly sending them to their deaths?

We are talking about sending people back to their home country...not putting them in ovens.

Find a better analogy.

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I agree that people sjould come here legally....But most of your arguments are backwards....The problem does not lie with the illegals it is with the companies that utilize these people.....

And Fargle is correct....We allow these same companies to hire outside the U.S. and these are not low paying jobs.....There are many corps that have as many if not more "illegals" working for them...they do it through the transfer of information....These people are degreed engineers, computer programmers etc....By taking these jobs overseas they can hire 3 or 4 Indians for what they would pay one engineer in the states.....We live in a global economy....You can bitch about someone crossing the border to make a few bucks ...But  nothing is said about the "legal" transfer of jobs that are going overseas. Buckle up because this isn't going away....

And the actuality of it all is that this has been going on for decades....Who is going to work these jobs tha you are all so worried about losing to illegals?....Give me a break!

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What, I need cheap plastic junk from foreign countries?

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ORIGINAL: leakylee

just for kicks and giggles, what about those of us whose families didnt techinically immigrate into the "country"? we were just here when it popped up. yet you hear less coming from the older of those families and the ones who have shed the most blood. that is a really interesting point.

yall rock on
lee

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ORIGINAL: Griswold

Oh yeah...and your keyboard, your mouse, the sparkplugs in your car, 1/3rd of your toilet paper, all your plastic forks, about 95% of any kitchen appliances you own, your garbage cans, very probably your TV, your refridgerator, washer and dryer....

(I could go on for about 6 more hours).

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ORIGINAL: NewDom12

My big problem is when people say that the Mexicans are escaping a life of hardships and crime.  That they are trying to better their lives because back in Mexico the standard way of living is deplorable.  So I am supposed to welcome them with open arms because their life "sucks"... um no, courtesy and compassion are not reasons to disobey laws that benefit citizens and or hurt them.

Illegal Aliens ARE NOT CITIZENS!  But Why do we continue to give them all the Benefits of Citizenship? In Aprill over two Million Illegal Aliens tried to pay taxes and About half were able to, because of Loopholes.  But when the IRS Finds a Illegal attempting to pay taxes, they are neither Mandated to or willing to report this to the Immigration Department and i want to know why?

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ORIGINAL: leakylee

considering that a large majority of them came here against thier will? not to sure that you arent trying to sell a box of mismarked oranges. oh, but wait, what i am saying isnt politically correct again. my bad.

lee

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

"yes illegal is illegal"

As a general response to this concept.

Hiding Jews from the Nazi Occupation in France was "illegal", would those who blindly advocate obedience to the law, need to answer this question, would you have obeyed the law and reported those Jews, assuredly sending them to their deaths?

We are talking about sending people back to their home country...not putting them in ovens.

Find a better analogy.

Fargle loves apples and oranges.

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ORIGINAL: EgosumDominus

All the more reason to sure up the borders so some nut cant boat to the coast under the cover of darkness and rape and beat your grandmother to death, all for what few gold fillings are left in her dying mouth.
Its a good point...thanks for helping me make it mine.

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ORIGINAL: selfbnd411

Here's a bit of history for you.  I think you'll find that almost everyone was considered to be an "undesirable alien" in this country at some point in their family history.  You'll also see that most of the charges against immigrants today were leveled against your own ancestors as well.

Immigration is a legitimate policy debate, but it should be based on those terms only: public policy.  Not based on the ignorance of American history that I see so strongly demonstrated in these posts.  I find it to be a shameful thing that such great quantities of stridently held opinion are based on very little empirical evidence.  Argue the pros and cons of immigration, but do not claim that you are so very different from current immigrants unless you have the knowledge and reason to back it up.

Prior Immigration waves: \

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But ranger your analogy is flawed, we won't sink and perish, there is plenty of room in the boat.  You might have less leg room though for a while

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Of course, the fly in the ointment is that closed markets will result in the rich getting poorer and that will lead to social confrontation but maybe that would be a good thing.