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Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:10:35 PM   
MasterHelios


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Status: offline 		Now I am married and faithful in that relationship but it does not mean I can't be a Master. My wife is a D/s submissive but she lets Me when I can play. she even helps Me by handing Me My toys, wipes the sweat off the slave, asks if she is ok, rubs the ice in, dries her and brings her off the X frame or Cross.
 
Now that was cool but now I am finding that subbies or slaves demand full sex as part of it. So typical vanilla, and so unlike a true slave that dictates or demands.
 
Yes it is true W/we are to discuss what W/we expect, want and seek in a BDSM relationship but a slave if a Master allows to dictate then loses that aspect os their role. In many circles a slave gives up all rights to sex, or anything but to be totally submissive in every way shape or form.
 
Yet so many I speak to demand this or that so that tells Me they are more subbie then true slave as I am Gorean and Y/you all know a total slave gives up most all rights if not all. Yes some will argue that the Norman books are just a lifestyle suggestion and not to be followed to the letter but then again it gives U/us a great perspective of how it can be lived which I tend to follow closely.
 
One said she couldn't go vanilla. Yes true once you get a taste it is hard to go back. It is a driving force for so many that want to pain or to give the pain depending on their childhood, or lifestyle that caused the initial change in their self.
 
Yet back to My original complaint why if one wishes to be a slave must they expect full intercourse? Why can't one be satisfied to be gotten off by manipulation, fingering pinching the  nipples, clit etc? I also have diabetes so that makes for another problem to be honest here. So why can't a slave accept getting off without intercourse?
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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:15:56 PM   
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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:19:50 PM   
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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:23:56 PM   
thornhappy


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Status: offline 		Gee, I don't know.  Because many masters expect it (referencing an old thread)?

BTW, seen the Gorean forum?  They may have another set of viewpoints.

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:25:23 PM   
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Yet back to My original complaint why if one wishes to be a slave must they expect full intercourse? Why can't one be satisfied to be gotten off by manipulation, fingering pinching the  nipples, clit etc? I also have diabetes so that makes for another problem to be honest here. So why can't a slave accept getting off without intercourse?

 
I am a submissive, not a slave, not that it makes any difference. My Daddy dictates when I can have sex. I see sex as a need, not a want, and if he became incapacitated, I am sure we could accomodate that, but sorry, I would not willingly enter into a dynamic that was devoid of sex.

I would ask why anyone would expect someone else to forego sex permanently because they are "justa sub/slave". If you were a healthy sexually functioning person would you forego sex? If the answer is no, I can hardly think you would expect someone else to just because they identify as a sub/slave.

Like I said, I love my Daddy, if he couldn't do his magic anymore, I would stay gladly, but that is because we are in a relationship now. If he had expected me to go without sex right from the start because of my submissive status, I would have thought that odd

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:33:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterHelios

So why can't a slave accept getting off without intercourse?
Master Helios


For the same reason you can't accept that intercourse isn't essential. You each want what you want. You both want different things. So, you need to look for people who AGREE with you and simply set aside those who don't.

Actually, here's an option. If you enjoy humiliation/degradation play, do her with a strap-on. The mindfuck is that she's not worth the real thing.

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:35:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's really annoying that all these subbie-slaves demand sex every time.  Can't they respect me for my mind and emotions?  Please, I'm not just a piece of meat.

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:38:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe some upfront honesty is needed. Just wondering how you would feel in a reverse situation. Sex is one of the most powerful needs. In many it is the final intimate submission. They are not giving completely unless they are giving themselves. Fingers, dildos, tongues, pain…not the same thing…just a part.
I would think that if physically possible, unless there is an upfront agreement, you should uphold your end at your convenience.Butch

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:39:04 PM   
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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:40:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm...I must really be ugly or just too pissy.  I don't have this "problem".  Of course I'm VERY open and honest up front about what I need, want and expect.

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:41:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterHelios

Yet back to My original complaint why if one wishes to be a slave must they expect full intercourse? Why can't one be satisfied to be gotten off by manipulation, fingering pinching the  nipples, clit etc? I also have diabetes so that makes for another problem to be honest here. So why can't a slave accept getting off without intercourse?
Master Helios


Well, just look at yourself!  So big and viral and what a hunka man!  It must be torture for them to have you withold your manliness. 

Ergo, they are probably masochists just topping from the bottom. 

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:43:48 PM   
LadyPaige


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Status: offline 		Do you just play or is she "your" slave? 

If you just play..... I say shame on her for not respecting your marriage vows.

If she's "your" slave....I'm not a slave, but I can't imagine giving up intercourse alltogether.  Just because a woman is a slave doesn't mean she doesn't have needs.  In what society do women (or men for that matter) not get their needs met one way or another?  Women have forever been sneaking off to the stables for stud service. 

I'm not very familiar with the Gorean Lifestyle, so I'll probably get some flaming, but I don't think it matters what lifestyle you live and what their ideals are, we are still all human.

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:45:06 PM   
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So typical vanilla, and so unlike a true slave that dictates or demands.


Those damn fake slaves.


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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:45:29 PM   
CuriousLord


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Status: offline 		The sex drive is fundamental to human existence.  In Psychology, it's considered a basic need.

A Master is typically expected to provide for his slave(s).  Would you tell a slave not to eat nor drink, and then question its loyality when it begs for bread and water?

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:46:35 PM   
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quote:

Why do subbies-slaves expect sex?


Because they're human?

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:49:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why do some masters insist on sex, much to the annoyence of the slaves and subs who don't want to have sex?

Because for those of us who do enjoy it, it's one of best thrills in life. I will not be involved with a man or woman who won't fuck me. I love my orgasms. I love the feel of something inside me. I love... you get the picture.

I'm not giving it up, the same way I won't give up my martial arts, my family or my friends. And I don't have to in order to find a great, loving dominant.

You don't want to have sex - great for you. There are plenty of subs out there who don't want any sexual contact. But don't expect the subs and slaves who do want sex to saddle themselves with something we find less than desirable because there are plenty of dominants and masters out there who are happy to fuck our orgasm-loving brains out. And will even insist on it.

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:52:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

quote:

So typical vanilla, and so unlike a true slave that dictates or demands.


Those damn fake slaves.



So... when slaves don't want sex, we're fake... and when we do want sex, we're fake.

Christ, I'm glad Valyraen thinks of me more as his kitten then his sub or his slave. This shit gets complicated!

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:53:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LightHeartedMaam

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterHelios

Yet back to My original complaint why if one wishes to be a slave must they expect full intercourse? Why can't one be satisfied to be gotten off by manipulation, fingering pinching the  nipples, clit etc? I also have diabetes so that makes for another problem to be honest here. So why can't a slave accept getting off without intercourse?
Master Helios


Well, just look at yourself!  So big and viral and what a hunka man!  It must be torture for them to have you withold your manliness. 

Ergo, they are probably masochists just topping from the bottom. 


Vital, virile, or do we call for some Valtrex?

thornhappy, who spent too long proofreading docs today

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:56:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't expect anything in return. Just because the few you have been with do this doesn't mean all do. I am there to serve Master and that entails whatever he wants not me.  You certainly have a lot to learn. Don't make generalizations you can't prove.

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RE: Why do subbies-slaves expect sex? - 5/30/2007 5:58:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		this slave does not expect sex and is only allowed to have sex, including self-manipulation, when and if her Master tells her she can.  This has been a very BIG change in my life from how i had always lived before becoming the property of Master David.  i used to expect sex a lot and i was an habitual masturbator.  But, He has trained me to be more disciplined and, now, when He does allow me to have sex (of any kind) and He tells me i can orgasm, it is the most powerful and satisfying orgasms i have ever known. 
 
Unfortunately, because of circumstances beyond O/our control, W/we have not had an opportunity to have any sex for the past 3 months and it's really been difficult.  Fortunately, my kind Master did manually bring me to orgasm one day about 3 weeks ago when W/we were out driving in the car.  That was really nice but, that is all the sex i have had in months.  Still, i am a very happy and grateful slave and i accept whatever amount and frequency and type of sex my Master allows me to have. 
 
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