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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 3:59:10 PM   
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Stella, and just which "race" are Pakistanis?
There's only three races, Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid.


For the purposes of the Race Relations Act, ethnic groups are "races" Popeye - its a criminal/legal definition that has come into popular usage, not an anthropological definition.

Anyway - what are the Australian Aborigines? They dont seem to fall into any of those three categories to my mind. Then again, for a long time they didnt fall into the category of human either.

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 4:07:28 PM   
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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 4:09:08 PM   
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Stella, and just which "race" are Pakistanis?
There's only three races, Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid.


For the purposes of the Race Relations Act, ethnic groups are "races" Popeye - its a criminal/legal definition that has come into popular usage, not an anthropological definition.

Anyway - what are the Australian Aborigines? They dont seem to fall into any of those three categories to my mind. Then again, for a long time they didnt fall into the category of human either.

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Well then following that course of logic being "Celtic" on both sides of my family (no "Anglo" or "Saxon"  blood) I'd be considered a different "race" in England?

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 4:12:19 PM   
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Well then following that course of logic being "Celtic" on both sides of my family (no "Anglo" or "Saxon"  blood) I'd be considered a different "race" in England?


If someone were to call you a "fuckin idiot bogtrotter" or such like and you took offence at that (or a third party took offence at that), then for the purpose of the Act, being Irish would constitute a race, yes.

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 4:13:41 PM   
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The problem with telling jokes is that theyre no longer funny, when one has to explain them.

If Bernard Manning was so racist, homophobic and sexist, then why so many sold out appearances and why the popularity with those supposedly the butt of his jokes? Where were the police? Because sure as anything he'd have been arrested multiple times and charged and prosecuted with no difficulty whatsoever.

Now, if you didnt like his brand of humour thats a different thing. Personally I cant stand Chubby Brown but many rave about him, and then there's that fucking Mr Blobby thing - what the hell is funny about that I dont know.

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Nothing to do with racist etc, and Frank Bruno sells out in pantomime.

Manning's slapstick humour was timewarp stuff. Only slightly above Benny Hill in the wit department, but give Benny Hill his dues - he was operating in the '70s.


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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 4:23:09 PM   
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As a playwright myself I'm not PC, I refuse to be PC because comedy is meant to be funny, not PC. And in my opinion when the PC brigade took over that's when British comedy stopped being funny.



I find that an odd comment from someone with the background you state.

Off the top of my head:

Bill Bailey, Rowan Atkinson, Jonny Vegas, Peter Kay, Steve Coogan, Mark Lamarr, Jo Brand.

None of the above modern day comedians are politically correct. They simply have a different target group to Manning.

The brigade are far too quick to shout "PC brigade".

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 4:28:33 PM   
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Popeye, the Saxons did settle in the Tipperary area around 650 AD, so you never know.

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 4:29:01 PM   
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Stella - I just thought how damned funny it is, that we two - who would no doubt be the butt of many a Manning joke, are about the only ones sad at his passing.

Funny old world.

E 


I agree with you, LadyEllen.  The problem I have with people who dislike his humor is that it is rather ironic on a BDSM website.

His humour may not have been your humour, but it seems to me that we should honour his ability do his thing, because he and other people do enjoy it.  In the same sense that while something may not be your kink, that is no reason to ostracize the practioners of it.

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Oh fuck that.

Why is it ironic to state a dislike for someone's sense of humour on a BDSM board? I'm not seeing the connection. By extension, are you saying you find everyone on the planet amusing?

People offer opinions on what they like and dislike. What next? A person shouldn't say television is shit in order to spare the producers' feelings?

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 4:29:17 PM   
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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 4:31:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		It would appear that however inadvertently, we have fallen prey to yet another instance of branding and ridiculing a minority group in the UK. It is also becoming clear, that this minority group are very much irritated, if not to say well pissed off, about our use of ignorant terms with which they find offence.

I speak of course of the term "PC brigade". In line with PC thinking, this term is to be replaced with immediate effect with a less offensive term. For the intended purpose, it has been decided that the term "lightweight brigade" will henceforth be ascribed.

Furthermore, it will no longer be acceptable to speak in terms of the "ranting" of this minority group. In future their brave attempts at preventing any form of questionable comment will be referred to as "charging", in that it is intended to charge us with sufficient sensitivity to obviate such comments.

Thus, the correct usage will be along the lines of "the charge of the lightweight brigade".

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 4:31:21 PM   
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Race is not just defined by Genetics. Its also defined by culture and ancestory, such as the English and German races, while both Causasian are also seperate identeties.




PS5, if that's the criteria the govt. uses then they're fucked.
You could "claim" to be any "race" under that!

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 4:42:00 PM   
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There are no races, Popeye.

Obviously you never heard of NASCAR

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 4:45:35 PM   
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Then, some idiot invents geography, draws a map and puts arbitrary lines on it and writes "my bit" and "your bit" between them. Suddenly they're "races"  The Furry Race... the Stockbroker Race... the Smelly Feet Race... and it's OK for me to feel superior to my neighbours, because I am of a Better Race

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 5:23:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

I find that an odd comment from someone with the background you state.



Why so odd? Speaking from experience of actually getting bums on seats for my work in comedy (small scale fringe productions, but have done rep too) comedy is not only specific to culture but also largely to personal taste. I've watched audiences many times and getting everyone in the auditorium to laugh all at once isn't that easy, for usually less than 100% will laugh at any one time.

Political correctness is a sort of linguistic fascism operating under the guise of equality, whereas comedy relies on conflict and differences to be actually funny.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Off the top of my head:

Bill Bailey, Rowan Atkinson, Jonny Vegas, Peter Kay, Steve Coogan, Mark Lamarr, Jo Brand.

None of the above modern day comedians are politically correct. They simply have a different target group to Manning.


Okay, maybe I gave rise to a misunderstanding. Alternative comedy doesn't touch me personally, which is a matter of personal taste, just as for you Bernard Manning isn't funny. I accept this. I wasn't saying that most modern day comedians are PC, but realise that it might have been construed this way. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

I'm not an expert on comedy, but as far as I know good comedy relies on a target, a stereotype in order to be funny, without becoming personal. When it is personal it ceases to be funny, and becomes offensive. For this reason I exclude religion from my range of comedy subjects, religion is personal.

The key to good comedy in my opinion is being able to identify such stereotypes without becoming personal. Bernard Manning chose to remain 'close to the knuckle'. Jim Davidson is also close to the knuckle.



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The brigade are far too quick to shout "PC brigade".


Because probably like most people I don't want to be told how to think, or how to perceive or view something, or to be told that the way I am addressing someone is offensive on the basis of the term I'm using.

Being offensive isn't only what you say, it's also how you say it.

But I also don't like political correctness because it is just as discriminatory as being non-PC. I fail to see, as a transgendered female, why I should be given preferential treatment over someone else or treated any differently, or why someone shouldn't be allowed to offend me because I'm transgendered.

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 5:27:23 PM   
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There are no races, Popeye.


LadyEllen, see?
The next time some government "official" gives you shit about your opinion you can use Kittensol as a referance.

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 5:31:07 PM   
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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 5:34:36 PM   
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Stella - I just thought how damned funny it is, that we two - who would no doubt be the butt of many a Manning joke, are about the only ones sad at his passing.

Funny old world.

E 


I agree with you, LadyEllen.  The problem I have with people who dislike his humor is that it is rather ironic on a BDSM website.

His humour may not have been your humour, but it seems to me that we should honour his ability do his thing, because he and other people do enjoy it.  In the same sense that while something may not be your kink, that is no reason to ostracize the practioners of it.

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Oh fuck that.

Why is it ironic to state a dislike for someone's sense of humour on a BDSM board? I'm not seeing the connection. By extension, are you saying you find everyone on the planet amusing?

People offer opinions on what they like and dislike. What next? A person shouldn't say television is shit in order to spare the producers' feelings?


Damn.

How come you never talk to me like that?

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 6:45:33 PM   
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Yes, on one level he was horrendously offensive, but one always perceived that it wasnt seriously meant in that way.

He meant it. He quite openly said that he didn't like "Pakis", and it was his right not to like "Pakis". "Pakis" weren't English, there were no "Pakis" at Dunkirk, and so on. Yes, he was reasonably popular in some parts, but so are the BNP.



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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/18/2007 6:54:09 PM   
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Popeye there was a recent case where a shop owner had a toy doll, a golliwog to be precise, among the shopfront display. The local police went to visit him about a racist offence. If it wasnt true it would be laughable. i am expecting a knock on the door for even typing the word and posting it on the net.

Dude, you may not know this, but some groups use the golliwog image as a recognition symbol. If the shopowner really didn't know that a golliwog in the window means "we don't like black people here" then maybe a friendly visit from the local bobby explaining that it wasn't a good idea was good preemptive community policing.




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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 12:31:25 AM   
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Stuff



Oh fuck that.

Why is it ironic to state a dislike for someone's sense of humour on a BDSM board? I'm not seeing the connection. By extension, are you saying you find everyone on the planet amusing?

People offer opinions on what they like and dislike. What next? A person shouldn't say television is shit in order to spare the producers' feelings?


I was under the impression somebody wanted to state that this person was not humourous.

I was simply pointing out that while person A may not find it humourous, persons B - Z might. 

I was making the point that it is not really person A's call to judge for everybody.

Say what you think.  I dont mind.

I make jokes fairly regularly about sexism and all sorts of things related to assault and abuse.  I apologize freely.  I do not do this because I find the topic humourous.  I do it because I find the topic extremely tragic, and it is a subject that gives a purpose for my employment.  I have to deal with the emotions it brings up, and humour is one method of expiating that pain.  I can be a truly sick fuck when it comes to certain things, but this is primarily because I have learned coping mechanisms to deal with the tragedy of what my job forces me to face, and prevent it from driving me insane.

I love reading your posts, NorthernGent, and I deeply apologize if I offended you with my words.

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