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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 1:46:59 AM   
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Popeye there was a recent case where a shop owner had a toy doll, a golliwog to be precise, among the shopfront display. The local police went to visit him about a racist offence. If it wasnt true it would be laughable. i am expecting a knock on the door for even typing the word and posting it on the net.

Dude, you may not know this, but some groups use the golliwog image as a recognition symbol. If the shopowner really didn't know that a golliwog in the window means "we don't like black people here" then maybe a friendly visit from the local bobby explaining that it wasn't a good idea was good preemptive community policing.






Point taken, although i have never heard, or seen it being used in that way, you would have think i had, being from South London originally.

i should have made it clear that the doll was one of several dolls and teddy bears in the shop window. The police reponed to a complaint from a white guy. No complaints were recieved form anyone else and no police officers had, until that point, felt the need to take up the issue. This is despite the shop being in a very busy location.


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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 3:55:29 AM   
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I just like sitting back and watching all the Englishes get their knickers in a twist.


I know. Hilarious, isn't it?

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 4:15:17 AM   
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Yes, on one level he was horrendously offensive, but one always perceived that it wasnt seriously meant in that way.

He meant it. He quite openly said that he didn't like "Pakis", and it was his right not to like "Pakis". "Pakis" weren't English, there were no "Pakis" at Dunkirk, and so on. Yes, he was reasonably popular in some parts, but so are the BNP.



Possibly true, and if so it would be surprising considering he came from Manchester. Possibly it was a generation thing. Pakistanis IMO can be English, as can black people, and they are more English than I am, because I am of Scottish parentage. Note that my use of the term Paki was used in a positive context and not meant to be offensive and it isn't a term I use today.

But do Indians get upset with Jim Davidson? Or do Germans get upset with Stan Boardman?

Do I get offended at Little Britain? Or for that matter Rab C Nesbitt?

No, I have a sense of humour. I also realise that what's said on the stage is an act and not necessarily what the comedian thinks.

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 4:20:49 AM   
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It would appear that however inadvertently, we have fallen prey to yet another instance of branding and ridiculing a minority group in the UK. It is also becoming clear, that this minority group are very much irritated, if not to say well pissed off, about our use of ignorant terms with which they find offence.

I speak of course of the term "PC brigade". In line with PC thinking, this term is to be replaced with immediate effect with a less offensive term. For the intended purpose, it has been decided that the term "lightweight brigade" will henceforth be ascribed.

Furthermore, it will no longer be acceptable to speak in terms of the "ranting" of this minority group. In future their brave attempts at preventing any form of questionable comment will be referred to as "charging", in that it is intended to charge us with sufficient sensitivity to obviate such comments.

Thus, the correct usage will be along the lines of "the charge of the lightweight brigade".

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Lady E, I just saw on the news that the lightweigh brigade is demanding to be classified as a race.

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 4:56:58 AM   
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There are no races, Popeye.

Obviously you never heard of NASCAR




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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 5:09:47 AM   
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Lady E, I just saw on the news that the lightweigh brigade is demanding to be classified as a race.


Hmmm. Not sure they could be.

However, as a concession we'll put them in a race. Straight towards a Russian cannon battery. The Crimea is very scenic this time of year, I understand.

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 5:40:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just a general question to anyone who is interested,. which is nobody I expect lol, but could someone please tell me what is so wrong with discrimination , be it racial sexual, accent etc etc.

I firmly believe that such things should not be illegal and making them so has exactly the opposite to the intended effect.

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 6:06:16 AM   
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Race is not just defined by Genetics. Its also defined by culture and ancestory, such as the English and German races, while both Causasian are also seperate identeties.




PS5, if that's the criteria the govt. uses then they're fucked.
You could "claim" to be any "race" under that!


(A disgression, thank you to Dr.Sylvia Spengler, principal investigator of the Human Genome Project)

Do you agree that genetics is what makes what we are biologically? Popeye, here is what Dr. Spengler, of the Human Genome Project, says about the concept of race in humanity: "Race is something we do to each other; it has nothing to do with what our DNA does to us." (I'm trying to keep it simple.)

So I hear you ask: "I see race! There are obvious physical differences between groups of humans! I see different skin colours! That must be based on genetics and it's the proof race exist!" .

Fine then, let's use the example of skin colour (people's favourite). Melanin is the substance that colours our skin. The different shades of melanin that appear on our skin is indeed controlled by genes to a minute extent. But this is how small that extent is: each cell in the human body has 100,000 genes; only about six genes control skin color. Here is a concrete example of this: take a group of four men. Two are black, two are white. There is one short black man, and one tall black man; there is one short white man, and one tall white man.


Well, surprisingly for some, "the tall person and the short person are significantly more different than the black man and the white man of a similar height". That's because there are dozens of genes that control our height. Not just six.

Race is a pure invention: you might have more in common genetically with an African Bushman than with your own Irish cousin. It's a social construct, it's been around for a long time, but it's not accurate scientifically. It may reassure a few people to feel they have 'Irish blood' or (god forbid!) 'Celtic blood' but it's completely innacurate.

From an ethnically-mixed heritage, I salute you :-)

PS: Manning was a fat bastard and I don't think he was funny; let's hope he is cavorting in hell with tousands of black-jewish-gay-single-mothers-with herpes-from Brighton-pro-European demons

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 6:30:00 AM   
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Just a general question to anyone who is interested,. which is nobody I expect lol, but could someone please tell me what is so wrong with discrimination , be it racial sexual, accent etc etc.

I firmly believe that such things should not be illegal and making them so has exactly the opposite to the intended effect.


Thank you seeksfemslave. There's nothing wrong with discrimination, because as far as I'm aware I do it, and I guess everyone else does too.

Agreed on the second point you raised and also on the third point - I'm discriminated against more now than I ever was. It's just that it bothers me far less too.

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 6:33:53 AM   
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Just a general question to anyone who is interested,. which is nobody I expect lol, but could someone please tell me what is so wrong with discrimination , be it racial sexual, accent etc etc.

I firmly believe that such things should not be illegal and making them so has exactly the opposite to the intended effect.


Thank you seeksfemslave. There's nothing wrong with discrimination, because as far as I'm aware I do it, and I guess everyone else does too.

Agreed on the second point you raised and also on the third point - I'm discriminated against more now than I ever was. It's just that it bothers me far less too.


It's not because you do it (and not eveyrone does it) that there's nothing wrong with it, is there? I'm also pretty sure it bothers quite a lot of people.

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 6:42:38 AM   
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Just a general question to anyone who is interested,. which is nobody I expect lol, but could someone please tell me what is so wrong with discrimination , be it racial sexual, accent etc etc.

I firmly believe that such things should not be illegal and making them so has exactly the opposite to the intended effect.


The problem with the sorts of discrimination you mention Seeks, is that it is based on what someone is (or is perceived to be), and not on their words, deeds and abilities, which are the only true effective guide for judgement.

I wholeheartedly reject any notion of discrimination based on any characteristic relating to the former, though certainly equally embrace discernment based on the latter.

My rejection of the former though, does not mean I have to be all PC about things - and in line with this thread, that extends to humour too. Laughing at a joke about Scottish people doesnt mean that I'm an anti-Scottish bigot, any more than it makes me racist to point out that the majority of the gunwielding drug dealing gangs in the UK are Afro-Caribbean.

However, there is a boundary, and the instant that a joke or a comment crosses that boundary, it becomes unacceptable. If the Scottish joke is designed to ridicule with the aim of producing anti-Scottish sentiment, it crosses the boundary. If the comment about drug gangs pretends the problem to be wholly Afro Caribbean in origin and to do with them as  people as a whole, it crosses the boundary.

The real problem we have, is that we have a nation of ignorant thickos to contend with, who are incapable of recognising boundaries. And for that reason we have to have strong regulations in place which forbid the remotest approach to those boundaries.

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 8:30:46 AM   
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I just like sitting back and watching all the Englishes get their knickers in a twist.


...of course, us Welsh-types sit back serenely above the fray........

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 8:34:39 AM   
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I just like sitting back and watching all the Englishes get their knickers in a twist.


...of course, us Welsh-types sit back serenely above the fray........


only because you havent yet mastered the concept of underwear

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 8:37:06 AM   
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only because you havent yet mastered the concept of underwear

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LMAO - now that was one seriously wonderful answer

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 8:39:12 AM   
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I just like sitting back and watching all the Englishes get their knickers in a twist.


...of course, us Welsh-types sit back serenely above the fray........


only because you havent yet mastered the concept of underwear

E


*blink* not your usual standard of debate there LE.........but perhaps fitting on a Bernard Manning thread......typical BM joke? 'We don't have anything against queers, we just think they should walk around and breath less'...........

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 8:40:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I cant resist Philosophy - I mean, a Welsh man several thousand miles away to taunt...... its just irresistible!

But I like you all really.

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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 9:18:05 AM   
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Don't forget when the police pull you over, they have to issue you with a caution...
'Anything you say may be used in evidence...'

At which point, you turn around and say - 'Don't hit me like that officer...'

(Pregnant Pause)

And if your black, you say - 'Don't hit me like that officer... or again... or again... or again...'


Bernard wasn't only 'racist' - he just lived up to his sterotype - and his comedy was taking those sterotypes and making the most out of them.
 
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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 9:53:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		The problem with trying to outlaw discrimination is that it is virtually impossible to be consistant and the end result is that discriminition is applied only to that which does not conform to the currently fashionable prejudices.
examples
A hotelier cannot turn away black people and soon, if not now, will not be able to refuse homosexuals.
Muslims may apply for grants to set up separate Islamic based schools.
Catholic adoption agencies may not get grants because they will not foster children to same sex families
The most abysmal bad language is broadcast regularly on the UK media.
Say one bad word about blacks and Bong you are out !!
Regular abuse is ladled out to whites see Chavs and Essex man/woman but not any other racial/cultural group.etc etc

Everybody discriminates in different ways every day of their lives. It should not be illegal to do so.

Thought for the day: do not try to grill sausages and read Collar me at the same time!


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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 9:57:32 AM   
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Just a general question to anyone who is interested,. which is nobody I expect lol, but could someone please tell me what is so wrong with discrimination , be it racial sexual, accent etc etc.

I firmly believe that such things should not be illegal and making them so has exactly the opposite to the intended effect.


Thank you seeksfemslave. There's nothing wrong with discrimination, because as far as I'm aware I do it, and I guess everyone else does too.

Agreed on the second point you raised and also on the third point - I'm discriminated against more now than I ever was. It's just that it bothers me far less too.


It's not because you do it (and not eveyrone does it) that there's nothing wrong with it, is there? I'm also pretty sure it bothers quite a lot of people.


I was writing about discrimination as a thought process. It's a very basic element of thinking. However if you feel you don't do this, then okay, but then, how do you function and live?

What you jumped in on was discriminating to be offensive, i.e. racist - but I never mentioned anything about discriminating against someone to be offensive or racist. I merely stated that there was nothing wrong in discriminating.

Me stating that I was being discriminated against was a fact. I am not bothered so much about being discriminated against. This has nothing to do with me being bothered about discrimination.

Discrimination also helps you avoid making assumptions and jumping to conslusions.


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RE: Bernard Manning dies - 6/19/2007 10:01:43 AM   
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LadyE
The problem with the sorts of discrimination you mention Seeks, is that it is based on what someone is (or is perceived to be), and not on their words, deeds and abilities, which are the only true effective guide for judgement.

She then goes on to say that she is prepared to discriminate against a persons deeds/abilities.

Fi Fi Fo Fum
I smell a contradiction by gum

Someone's deeds will be conditiond by what someone is . NO? Therefore you cannot split your discriminatory attitudes.
Luv you madly !


Just to add that I expect you were thinking of things like race, but because PC
Liberals say that racial discrimination is a cardinal sin then they try to make discrimination against individual blacks, which may well be justified , a sin as well
Is that right ?.


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