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LotusSong -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 1:01:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMaam quote: ORIGINAL: interestingtimes well all I can say is, with few words and simply said you nailed it in one... Thank you. I try to break it down to the meat of the matter whenever I can, because otherwise, I stop making sense, lol. quote: BlackSakura This is like the dumbest thing I have ever heard of! Huh? I hope you're doing a Fast reply to page one or someone else, but if you aren't, stick around, as it gets much worse. quote: RRafe The moment you ask someone for something-you grant them power over you. Really? So let me get this straight: telling him to clean the bedroom/house, wash the dishes, pay for these things for me while we're shopping, or "go lick" this or that "and don't stop until I tell you" gives them power over me? Who knew? I'm even nicer than I thought, sharing so much power, lmao. M FullfigRIMaam- I just LOVE your post here :) (i.e. well said!)

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 4:06:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne The real question you should ask is why don't all Mistresses charge tributes? Because if all Mistresses wanted money which isnt a relationship, then there would be no attraction whatsoever for subs who want to appreciate a Domme for who she is as a person and find a Domme of the same vein, then solidify the "Why is it so hard to find a decent sub" phenomena meaning that you would only ever get subs who see Dommes as "Domme" knowing that it would then be a market place. Unless there is something I dont know about and a real relationship in the scene is defined by buying and selling?

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 4:19:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stella40 quote: ORIGINAL: stop352 i have been checking out a lot of the MISTRESSES here but all or most want finnacial tribute. That is something which will come on its own later . why at startup? Maybe I am using a different version of the Collarme website or maybe I have severe learning difficulties or am functionally illiterate but I wouldn't say most want a financial tribute. And believe me, I have browsed a lot of profiles. Why at start up? Possible answers. 1. Many subs approach Dommes on Collarme the same way they approach items found on e-Bay or online shopping. They want a particular type of Domme with particular type of equipment to do particular type of activities on particular days at particular times for the particular experience of the submissive. 2. Many submissives aren't interested in Dommes as people, they are only interested in them as Dommes, there to engage in a scene involving specific activities for the sub's enjoyment. These submissives don't have a need or time for such basic things like respect, manners, friendship, conversation, companionship, etc - they just want to get their jollies and leave. 3. Some submissives have a mental block when it comes to understanding the basic 'give-take' principle of BDSM or D/s. 4. Many Dommes get tired of being a freebie domination service for these types of submissives and some are also tired of not getting anything out of scenes with submissives. 5. Submissives rarely offer their own place for meetings and not often come up with the equipment, but expect the Dommes to not only have all the necessary equipment but also wear the appropriate clothes. This equipment costs money. Why should the Domme have to pay for all the equipment? 6. Some Dommes figure, and quite rightly in my opinion, that if they're going to not get anything out of the meeting or relationship and they're going to be treated like a Pro-Domme then they might as well charge a fee or demand a tribute. Does this make it any clearer? For a submissive the way into BDSM is very simple - you either have something to offer (other than submission) which a Domme genuinely needs or you pay. Either way you give. It's not exactly rocket science, or is it? Well put, submissives like that are a pain in the ass in that they dilute the atmosphere for Dommes who are looking to find something more that that. Im not amazingly experienced with do me subs but I have learnt a few things from Dommes about it, one told me its 90% of her inbox. I suppose it could come as little suprise that a Domme may want to just do as you mention above, however could this is actually be lowering herself to their level? The more the Dommes reciprocate in a way that is conducive of do me subs in that she is wanting to know them for money cos they want her for just "Domme" then this in turn will contribute to an already degenerate environment if you ask me. Its a bit like how if a Domme came here then got to the point of thinking "Well fuck that Im not a whore I was looking to get to be known for who I am not for a fix but they are all after a fix so I will charge". Then in turn perhaps the sub counterpart might think "Well fuck that Im not a John I was looking to get to be known for who I am not for money but they are after money so I'll just dissappear".

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 4:26:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston That's lovely and with anyone...I hope they get and seek out only that which they desire. But when all someone wants is cyber play with no real interaction with one another, I can't understand why anyone would do it without getting paid. I guess it baffles me as much as it baffles some about why those who do have physical interaction (and are not pros) require tribute. I guess I just can't see how any dominant would get something out of such fantasy play and if he finds it, more power to him. But I seriously doubt he is going to find many (if any) dominants who are willing to completely cater only to his cyber fantasies and do so out of the kindness of their heart. To me this comes as little suprise when looking at the entire social environment and I see lines of sociology that connect. Playing with someone over the net is pointless especially if thats all it is as opposed to getting to know the person as well. Purely descriptive here but I think there is an indirect connection between that and Pro Domming as in Pro Domme client culture, it comes from the same kind of social attitudes I think, in that Femdom is largely de-personalized due to it being the most repressed sexual dynamics in the world.

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 4:40:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bella1965 G'morning all: quote: ORIGINAL: stop352 i have been checking out a lot of the MISTRESSES here but all or most want financial tribute. That is something which will come on its own later . why at startup? They require it because they're not here to cater to your fantasy to whank off on cam. You have nothing else to offer them, real time or otherwise, so why not turn a profit? When a troll finally learns that female dominants are real people and not here to service their kinky desires, we may then see the last of these idiotic queries. Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella Lets think about this before firing off pre-judgements. You are obvoiusly pissed off and I can appreciate why, its quite enlightening to see all points of view from Dommes as well etc. I might be wrong but I dont think many of us really have that much to go on regarding the OP. The profile is after online which at face value may incite negative associations. However he lives in India. If I am not mistaken there is practically no scene in india whatsoever so perhaps his only form of interaction with Dommes is over the net due to this and regarding that, it might not neccesserily equate to him not looking to know someone for who they are over this medium.

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 4:50:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: letmebeyours Because dumbasses will pay it. I personally think it takes away the power of the Domme because the submissive now can call the shots. As the old saying goes, "He who pays the piper gets to pick the tune." If the Domme does not do as the subbie wishes, he'll just find somone else. At least that's my opinion. A bit like how the 1% feedback of credit card application in the post keeps them going perhaps. I find this whole thing extremely ironic, one minute intellectuals say "The reason Femdom is like is it is because women are perceived more on the side of sex as opposed to males who are the perceivers, which is why women are featured in porn more, more prostitutes there are of and so on and so on and there are so few out Dommes". Then the next minute you look at Femdom and see an encapsulated environment of that nature 10 fold, Ironic. If you ask me an encapsulated environment in which there are no traits synonymous to the outside issue, in which its not just a weird reflection of the outside social mores like everyone is on puppet strings might be an interesting idea. For example a site which actually has femdom, as opposed to a Femdom parody where nobody sees where the strings are going and being held from.

MissMagnolia -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 4:55:43 PM)
Oh god, 4 months and 10 pages later and this thread is STILL going? Does anyone actually read the thread though before repeating exactly what's been said 4 billion times before?

Carrianna -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 5:00:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stop352 i have been checking out a lot of the MISTRESSES here but all or most want finnacial tribute. That is something which will come on its own later . why at startup? I personally don’t, but I can see why some do. To be honest why not, if it bothers you, look away! Each to their own!

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 5:10:50 PM)
If do me subs and money Dommes both got booted then this would make life easier for all. Both those type of Domme and sub are conducive to each other and have an influence on the social environment, which is why threads like this as well as ones that complain about do me subs from Dommes will happen till the end of time. Both of which are equally valid providing that the complainer is coming from genuine grounds. You never know (I might be wrong) but maybe all of the threads complaining about money Dommes are from subs who wanted to be known for who they are which means they are a candidate for knowing a Domme for who she is, becuase you cant be known for who you are without knowing someone else it doesnt work any other way. Besides who do you think would be more motivated to complain about the money stuff? a sub who just wants a fix? or one who wants a relationship?......think about it! Perhaps a bit like how a Domme who is looking for a relationship will be more motivated to complain about do me subs except without getting slam fucked. Or do you think someone who is after hard cash would complain about do me subs? Exactly. In turn they might (especially as newbs) have more emotional fragility seeing as the issue pertains to their humanity, therfor subs who could otherwise have been good dating material for a Domme might be getting psychologically crushed on a regular basis on threads like this. Have a go at me for critizing the money aspects and devalidify you own issue of what it conducive with that. If you ask me Segregation of different ideologies to prevent dilution of social atmosphere while accepting other ideologies within themselves is the ONLY way that these kinds of threads can be reduced to a lesser or non issue.

Carrianna -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 5:18:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MuscleCuteClever If do me subs and money Dommes both got booted then this would make life easier for all. Both those type of Domme and sub are conducive to each other and have an influence on the social environment, which is why threads like this as well as ones that complain about do me subs from Dommes will happen till the end of time. Both of which are equally valid providing that the complainer is coming from equally genuine grounds. Have a go at me for critizing the money aspects and devalidify you own issue of what it conducive with that. If you ask me Segregation of different ideologies to prevent dilution of social atmosphere while accepting other ideologies within themselves is the ONLY way that these kinds of threads can be reduced to a lesser or non issue. After reading your posts I must comment you on your commitment to this post!!! Wow you have passion. In answer to your question, if the said dommes and said subs got booted, then this would be faceparty! Shrugs Of course you are free to criticize in any way you wish, again it does not bother me!

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 5:32:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Carrianna After reading your posts I must comment you on your commitment to this post!!! Wow you have passion. In answer to your question, if the said dommes and said subs got booted, then this would be faceparty! Shrugs Of course you are free to criticize in any way you wish, again it does not bother me! Not passion, its just a fact. I dont feel that exited about it, it doesnt affect me personally I just thought I would give my insight. Why faceparty? Ok I will critisize you seeing as you say your not bothered: Why "again it doesnt bother me" there was nothing in the 1st place to imply its a case of "again". You did ask. :-)

stef -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 6:02:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Carrianna After reading your posts I must comment you on your commitment to this post!!! Wow you have passion. It's significantly more "issues" than "passion," I think. For those who don't know, MuscleCuteClever is just the latest incarnation of a user who has been here under a handful of names in the past. First there was McWhips, then MuscleyandCute and most recently he graced us with FitnessModel. Clicking on any of those names will take you on a trip through his extensive collection of bitterness and baggage. Enjoy, ~stef

MistresssAria -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 6:10:13 PM)
I'm copying & pasting my usual answer here lol.......it could easily be added to on what Mistresses do.........." What do Dommes do? They learn to do what They love by reading books, magazines, internet sites, watching videos, going to seminars, going to BDSM clubs and events, talking to other Dom/mes, taking classes, buying the expensive corsets and clothes and shoes and everything W/we all love, spend lots of time to look extra sexy, learn about safety through everyone from other Dom/mes to body piercers to doctors, buy toys and furniture and equipment, learn how to use strange contraptions safely, and practice, practice, practice so that We can have our fun with your pathetic selves. And what do subs do? Crawl around like slugs and take orders. You have to fully appreciate all that your Domme does to create mutual fun in a safe environment."

Gothbytch -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/22/2007 6:26:11 PM)
LOL thanks stef,its sure does look like issues to me,thanks for that laugh .

undergroundsea -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/23/2007 1:14:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistresssAria We can have our fun with your pathetic selves. And what do subs do? Crawl around like slugs and take orders. Now, now. We're all friends here ;-) quote: They learn to do what They love by reading books, magazines, internet sites, watching videos, going to seminars, going to BDSM clubs and events, talking to other Dom/mes, taking classes, buying the expensive corsets and clothes and shoes and everything W/we all love, spend lots of time to look extra sexy, learn about safety through everyone from other Dom/mes to body piercers to doctors, buy toys and furniture and equipment, learn how to use strange contraptions safely, and practice, practice, practice so that We can have our fun with your pathetic selves. I have read books, magazines, internet sites, watched videos, attended and given seminars, attended BDSM clubs and events, talked to other dominants and submissives, taken classes, bought latex, leather and other outfits, created my own outfits given the limited options, taken interest in how I present myself with respect to appearance and more, learned about safety, learned service skills, bought toys and equipment. I have come across dommes where I did not feel reciprocal chemistry. Instead of expecting a tribute from them, I instead focus my energy where I do feel adequate chemistry. I contribute to play by reciprocating energy and being present in the moment. If I crawl around and take orders, I hope it is still mutually fulfilling because the domme enjoys the D/s aspects of having someone crawl and take orders. I don't think tribute is a necessity because subs don't bring enough to the table, but a choice exercised by dommes under some circumstances. Cheers, Sea

MissMagnolia -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/23/2007 1:39:36 AM)
Thanks muchly for clarifying that stef. Some SERIOUS issues here obviously.[:D] musclecuteclever, you seriously need a new hobby.

Zaraseeks -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/23/2007 2:11:23 AM)
WOW, model dude, one your not hot, get over yourself!!! And certainly not cute, and hey what pro did you fall in love with who screwed you? sorry whatever your deal is, get over it and stop assuming people to a certain mold!

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/23/2007 3:56:37 AM)
quote: (in reply to undergroundsea) Profile Report \| Post #: 196 RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 10/23/2007 2:11:23 AM Zaraseeks Vanilla Posts: 7 Joined: 9/5/2007 Status: online WOW, model dude, one your not hot, get over yourself!!! And certainly not cute, and hey what pro did you fall in love with who screwed you? sorry whatever your deal is, get over it and stop assuming people to a certain mold! quote: ORIGINAL: Zaraseeks WOW, model dude, one your not hot, get over yourself!!! And certainly not cute, and hey what pro did you fall in love with who screwed you? sorry whatever your deal is, get over it and stop assuming people to a certain mold! I dont recall saying Im hot or cute. Oh yes my handle here, thats marketing to get views with a description of my photos and personality seeing as there are no thumbnails on the listings or initial word introduction so guitly as charged then, Im not going to make my name something like "doormat4Domme" sorry. I didnt fall in love with her, she fell in love with me. Im not some stupid/desperate client who doesnt understand boundaries and the one I saw before her gave me 5 hours for the price of 2 yet I never turned up again, not because I didnt like her or rude but because that was that, it happened it was fun business is business so there you go. It might also be because Im upfront about my sexuality, my family, freinds, boss, all kinds you name it and my whole town knows which makes me quite open minded perhaps who knows it doesnt matter. Think what you like over a forum on the internet though. Sorry for the posting over the years about this, I was in an environment I would have otherwise not been in at all save for extenuating circumstances because of drugs and now that I am no longer ill and off them my motivation to use these forums has drastically decreased. Whatever you think about putting people into moulds that is just your reaction to something I have said that you do not like, notice how my posts above go into detailed explanations of what I am talking about as opposed to rudimantary comment with no explanation whatsoever as if to imply that behind that I know what Im talking about like its given. I realize that these forums are a waste of time I will try not to use them again, when all parties are open to criticism then this gives room for improvement otherwise there isnt and never will be because it assumes perfection by default which is the equivalent of an autocratic government so keep creating the problems that you complain about. So I wont waste any more of my time or bore myself any longer to let you all get on with it, goodbye.

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/23/2007 4:01:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia Thanks muchly for clarifying that stef. Some SERIOUS issues here obviously.[:D] musclecuteclever, you seriously need a new hobby. Im a lot better now thanks, if you are determined to think I have serious issues and follow with a smiley face to show your delectation and pleasure towards that then fair enough but Id better be off now, I have better things to do than sit on forums.

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (10/23/2007 4:07:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: Carrianna After reading your posts I must comment you on your commitment to this post!!! Wow you have passion. It's significantly more "issues" than "passion," I think. For those who don't know, MuscleCuteClever is just the latest incarnation of a user who has been here under a handful of names in the past. First there was McWhips, then MuscleyandCute and most recently he graced us with FitnessModel. Clicking on any of those names will take you on a trip through his extensive collection of bitterness and baggage. Enjoy, ~stef Yes, again that was down to what I mentioned above. I was nuts I'll give you that! I wouldnt even have been here in the 1st place if not for any of that. You do seem to want a meal out of it though, your like clockwork whenever I make a relatively miniscule appearance here. If someone over the internet bothers you to that extent then perhaps you could think about doing something productive instead? Picking on someone else with (previous) issues to such an extent can only be done by someone with issues of their own. You can argue to the teeth that it is an issue for me still if you like but it wont work.

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