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I don't think geisha make good wives. They aren't there for the long haul, only for entertainment from time to time. They do what they do for money or to for their owner's money if you go back really far when they were actually bought then trained to become geisha.
I saw a show on PBS about geisha and it said they get away with a lot more teasing and talking back than any decent wife would. Again part of their job. Reminded me a lot of high class prostitutes in ancient Greece -- drinking, philosophy, joking, sex, parties with men, all those things that no man in his right mind would ever want his wife to do. (I'm not saying that geisha are prostitutes but the same basic interactions were expected in both of these cases).
So I don't think a male equivalent is a good husband model but it is a fun scene I'm sure.
Thanks TammyJo!
That's very interesting. If you can remember the name of the PBS series I would love to see it. With all due respect, it seems that most of what I've read has referred to the opposite. Especially when discussing the relationship with their Danna. They have been known to be there for the long haul. Usually the wife is well aware of the geisha's existence and there is even something called the Obon Festival during the New Year's celebration where the geisha visits the home and brings gifts to the wife and dances for them. They would perform entertainment at the weddings of their Danna's daughters and are often in charge of making funeral arrangements for their patron when they die. Although everything I've read is very much in agreement that they are paid quite well for their services. On the other hand it also seems that their training is quite expensive throughout all stages and the financial support or patronage of the Danna serves to help make those expenses far more affordable.
There also seems to be regional differences in their training. Some are trained to flirt and in the art of innuendo. It also seems that the geisha of Kyoto are much more well known for their demure demeanor than are other regions. It's the han'gyoku of Tokyo that are known to be a bit more forward of demeanor, which is perhaps what you're referring to as back talk.
Their length of training is also very different. Those of Tokyo are trained only for 6 months to a year. Those of Kyoto proceed through different levels of training starting with shikomi whose training consists of being essentially a domestic and personal maid for those above them as well as a great deal of the educational part of it. Then onto minari, or a junior apprentice. Both time frames of training seem to be only for several months. From there they can spend up to 5 years as maiko, or apprentice geisha, before being considered able to step up to geisha.
From my readings on it they do seem to be more of a hostess of parties as mentioned in a previous post or even companions hired for special functions. Mainly they seem to be hired to keep things lively and interesting via conversation, a facilitator of sorts, who pours wine, but does not drink it themselves. They are there to put others at ease by conversing intellectually, entertain by dancing and/or playing an instrument and in general spending time interacting with the honored guests at the dinner or party.
Personally I don't mind a sub with a sense of humor or one who has a teasing nature at times. As long as they learn to recognize the signals of when it's acceptable to do so and when it isn't, I don't see anything wrong with playful banter. I enjoy a quick wit and as long as it isn't being disrespectful, I'm fine with his being humorous or trying to be entertaining in order to make me laugh or smile. Someone that can do so tends to be far more interesting than someone without a sense of humor. Of course, this is simply my own personal preference.
It does appear that there are some prostitutes who have taken on the label and costuming of geisha. The difference however seems to be in style of dress. While a geisha ties her obi in the back, a prostitute ties hers at the front. That difference seems to be the tell tale signal between a trained geisha and a prostitute that simply dresses as one. It's correct that many have had the misconception that sexual favors are part of the geisha's duties but as you have also said that is not the case.
I know that you have a historical academia background professionally. If you have any suggestions of books that would offer more insight I would love to hear about them.
While I understand your opinion, I still hold to my idea that the training and the mindset (in regard to being service oriented) that geisha are known for would be lovely to have as an attribute for a male wife.
edited for a ' placement mistake.
< Message edited by SDFemDom4cuck -- 7/6/2007 2:27:47 PM >
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