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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 4:38:05 PM

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As annoying as pseudo-history can be, the fantasy version rather than the dryly historically accurate version of a male geisha sounds like pretty damn hawt scene material, and not a bad romantic template to base a relationship on either. I'll take one. Heck, I'll take three.

Historical accuracy does not need to be adhered to religiously to have fun, and unless you're a hardcore simulation wargamer, more fun can generally be had when you knowingly deviate. The annoyance factor mostly comes in when people actually confuse their cartoonish or romanticized stereotypes with academic reality.

Chivalrous knights in the Middle Ages? Didn't bathe. Stank. That doesn't mean that when I tell my submissive to be a chivalrous knight to his Lady, I want him to smell like his horse. We don't want any horses either; cars work much better on the freeway. But the romantic template is still good fun, as long as everyone's clear that's what it is.

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 4:39:26 PM

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More the mindset and dedication to service through the years of training.

You will find that other places as well, and will probably find you misunderstand it.
It is commitment to perfection in a field, not commitment to the client.
The field simply happens to deal with the client a lot.
Any good martial artist has the same mindset.
Doesn't automatically make us good subs.
Might be part of why I'm Dom, even.

Actually I understood it quite well. Pretty much a great deal of what I've been saying all along but it keeps getting miscontrued as something else. Most likely because I've not been able to quite put the ideology within my brain into words that adequately convey it. Although My intent all along has been in that dedication and commitment to service to Me as my male wife/submissive. The dedication to the training it would entail and the desire to do so. Thank you, you worded it quite well when you said "perfection in a field, not commitment to the client".

I'm sure it could be found in many other aspects of society the conversation that began the entire idea was rather specific however. I wouldn't stereotype anyone as being more submissive or Dominant simply because they have a similar commitment within other areas of their lives.

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 4:44:50 PM

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As annoying as pseudo-history can be, the fantasy version rather than the dryly historically accurate version of a male geisha sounds like pretty damn hawt scene material, and not a bad romantic template to base a relationship on either. I'll take one. Heck, I'll take three.

Historical accuracy does not need to be adhered to religiously to have fun, and unless you're a hardcore simulation wargamer, more fun can generally be had when you knowingly deviate. The annoyance factor mostly comes in when people actually confuse their cartoonish or romanticized stereotypes with academic reality.

Chivalrous knights in the Middle Ages? Didn't bathe. Stank. That doesn't mean that when I tell my submissive to be a chivalrous knight to his Lady, I want him to smell like his horse. We don't want any horses either; cars work much better on the freeway. But the romantic template is still good fun, as long as everyone's clear that's what it is.

Thank you Najakcharmer. Well said. I think perhaps the literal interpretation of geisha rather than a figurative template (great word there that is what has been needed) is causing the confusion.

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 4:48:55 PM

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Not crazy at all. There's nothing quite like the feel of silk (or cashmere or angora...or any high quality material for that matter) against ones skin.

That, and the cut, seams, etc.

Talk about equality in the "little things"... why are men usually crammed into coarse-seam boxers or briefs? I know there are good ones out there, but you have to go to a specialty store to get them, at least around here. Any sensible store carries women's garments that are comfortable. Even a lot of grocery stores do. Why can't they carry men's garments that are comfortable, too?

I like kilts and hakama. They are comfortable, and allow a great deal of mobility. But people wrinkle their nose at it. Somehow, they get the idea that these are skirts, and only suitable for women (IIRC, a woman wouldn't wear a hakama, and I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing is the case for kilts as well). Why is it that it's become acceptable for women to wear pants, but not for men to wear any kind of legwear that isn't bifurcated?

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 4:57:41 PM

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Not crazy at all. There's nothing quite like the feel of silk (or cashmere or angora...or any high quality material for that matter) against ones skin.

That, and the cut, seams, etc.

Talk about equality in the "little things"... why are men usually crammed into coarse-seam boxers or briefs? I know there are good ones out there, but you have to go to a specialty store to get them, at least around here. Any sensible store carries women's garments that are comfortable. Even a lot of grocery stores do. Why can't they carry men's garments that are comfortable, too?

I like kilts and hakama. They are comfortable, and allow a great deal of mobility. But people wrinkle their nose at it. Somehow, they get the idea that these are skirts, and only suitable for women (IIRC, a woman wouldn't wear a hakama, and I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing is the case for kilts as well).

LOL, even women's boxers are far more comfortable than those made for men. My suggestion would be to look for those but they also tend to be more feminine in appearance as well. Wouldn't it be brilliant if someone manufactured undergarments that felt like women's do but were designed for males? Of course, I am not including the godforsaken thong type of undergarment in this possibility. Those I tend to reserve for their torture abilities when I'm feeling especially sadistic.

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Why is it that it's become acceptable for women to wear pants, but not for men to wear any kind of legwear that isn't bifurcated?

I'm not quite sure why that is but it sounds like an interesting topic of discussion to begin.

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 5:00:31 PM

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Well I wouldn't share him sexually with other women or allow him to see other Dominants. However, having him do some sort of entertaining little dance for a Girls Night In might be quite amusing however.

IIRC, Geisha weren't generally supposed to engage in sexual relations with clients.

What you're looking for seems more equivalent to a high class courtesan.

My understanding is: depended on the specifiic geisha, her stature, and was mostly her decision.

Chia, those were beautiful quotes!

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 5:02:24 PM

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No, actually I'm going to have to disagree with that completely. LOL Or at least not in my personal opinion since sex, while it has its place, is the least of my considerations when it comes to what I'm discussing.

My comment about sex was seperate from the other comment.

It seems like you are trying to fit the square peg (the Geisha) through the round hole (your mental image). Why not make a round peg instead? The mental image you seem to have appears to be fiction, so why not go all the way and create an original ideal, rather than trying to retrofit the Geisha?

As I say, a high class courtesan seems more like what you were talking about.

A Geisha isn't there for you. She's there to practice her craft, to do her job. The benefits to you are incidental. It is more of a social function; they keep things flowing smoothly, and make sure everyone is having a good time. Sure, they are deferential, but not submissive. Further, as mentioned elsewhere on this thread, they are sometimes assigned to (or hired by) foreigners in order to help them function socially, or even to assist them outright. But they are still there to do a job, nothing more.

If I were to go to a social function in Japan, I'd definitely hire one. Not because I think it'd be cool, but because they can keep me from tripping socially, being able to advise me on customs, proper gifts, and so forth, as well as steering conversations away from unsuitable topics if I make a blunder, etc.

If I wanted to hire someone for myself, I would not go for a Geisha.

At least, that's how I've had it explained by people who have used their services.

A courtesan, however, is yours for the duration of her service. She knows how to play well with others, i.e. is good company. She is well educated, and probably has many skills. But she is there for you. Not for the event. Closer, in my book.

By all means, a companion service, or training for subs in how to perform specific duties or fulfill a specific role, is a great idea. For either gender. But a Geisha is too detached from her client to fit with this idea, in my opinion.

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 5:06:50 PM

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To your original post it may not matter actually. As the way I am veiwing it is more academic or nerdy perhaps. I think what you are getting at with the idea of Geisha is trying to deliniate your desires in a sub and male wife. In the end it all just comes down to words really. And I added to my post the word motivation - I think that may be a big part of what is not so appealing to me about the Geisha - her motivation does not resonate with what I seek from a sub/ mate.

Miss Irish's response:
I see the motivation of a Geisha quite differently. I see the heart in it. What I have read, seen in movies and documentaries, and felt is that there is a desire to be pleasing in every way. Educated in all things, she is wise, a great conversationalist, catering to every need. Her whole being focused on being satisfying in every way for her man. What we are talking about here is the training and attitude continuing over a long term relationship.
My favorite terms so far are Knight (although wonderful, does not imply much household maintenance training) and Male Wife which covers the home, and does not necessarily cover the gallentry or protection in any and all public arenas.

I like Knight-Wife, and still wish I could find a historical term or a new one to include Male-Geisha.

This is a fun topic and thought provoking, and thanks to the DSwriter for The Good Gent's guide and all the posters sharing their thoughts and opinions here.

Re: Rogue. My connotation is a swashbuckling strong male who will do anything for his woman. He wears billowy white shirts that show off his chest and strong arms, skintight pants that enhance his package, and boots. He carries weapons on himself at all times for protection, and has a strong personality, good survival instincts, and drops his attitude around his woman, as he slaves on his knees for his woman.
(I think of the word Slave as a beautiful thing, a new wold slave with dignity and needs, opinions, etc., as apposed to the old version which depicts NO rights of any kind.)

I am a deeply romantic person with a very vivid imagination. I believe all things are possible. We dream, we create, we strive to be alive. Many miracles have happened in my life while having this positive belief system and I am grateful to be a Romantic. I am also happy to have my Nasty side, as in 20% sadistic. *smirk. It ALL turns me on, and that's a happy place for me to be.

Thanks littlesarbonn for your humor.

Jo: And btw - great thread - making me think and get those creative juices going which is always a good thing.

I fixed it, so it is more clear now...

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 5:14:49 PM

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Thanks Irish, I seem to have missed this one entirely somehow. Again, I don't quite know where the discontect within my brain is occurring that isn't allowing it to be put into the proper words. Or perhaps there is a misconception on my part. The book that littlesarbonn had suggested should be arriving by the end of the week so I'm looking forward to it. When it comes down to it, truly it's all a matter of perceptions. Simply some attributes I would like to be able to incorporate within the whole of a submissive or male wife. I'm just throwing out ideas as food for thought LOL.

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How glittering they shone -
And every One unbared a Nerve
Or wantoned with a Bone -

I want a sensitive man - one who'll cry when I hit him.

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 5:16:20 PM

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LOL, even women's boxers are far more comfortable than those made for men. My suggestion would be to look for those but they also tend to be more feminine in appearance as well.

Such has been my experience, as well. While closer to the mark, they are still tailored for a different anatomy, and have a different appearance (I do not want frills on my underwear, thank you very much) as well as highlighting things differently. If anything is to be highlighted, it should be my hindquarters, where the attention would usually be.

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Wouldn't it be brilliant if someone manufactured undergarments that felt like women's do but were designed for males?

Definitely. And manufactured in bulk, so men would start wearing them, rather than going for the cheap 10-packs they tend to buy.

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Of course, I am not including the godforsaken thong type of undergarment in this possibility. Those I tend to reserve for their torture abilities when I'm feeling especially sadistic.

~lol~

I seriously doubt I would look good in a thong. And I doubt it would be comfortable.

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I'm not quite sure why that is but it sounds like an interesting topic of discussion to begin.

~nod~

I'm too lazy to open a thread on it, but a "venting about men's clothing" thread would no doubt get a lot of replies from those of us who actually care. Personally, I find it is more comfortable to walk around in my dojo wear than regular men's clothing. The pants (for regular training) are less comfortable than hakama (for formal training), but both work well. The top is just great, lots of mobility, low friction, and plenty of air, plus you just fold it, rather than lots of buttons that serve no real purpose (aesthetic or otherwise).

Consider that these clothes are designed to withstand people grabbing me by them and throwing me, repeatedly, as well as impacts up to the level of a 60mph collision without a seatbelt, without significant wear and tear (1-3 years is reasonable to expect with one training session every weekday). Their seams are crossed sextuples and the overlap is huge, compared to regular clothing. The fabric is fairly coarse.

Imagine the difference if made with silks, velvets, or whatever.

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 6:58:35 PM

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Hell yes. Me likey.

I may not be Geisha trained, but I'm college educated and own a passport, library card, and The Joy of Cooking.

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 7:30:13 PM

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Lol to your reply and another lol because we call my cat cloudman - he is grey, has a big round barrel belly like a donkey, a tiny head and butt. He floats about on his incredibly long legs and just the very tippy toes of his paws - almost like he is wearing high heels a friend once said. Maybe yall are related. he he

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ORIGINAL: NajakcharmerHell yes. Me likey.
I may not be Geisha trained, but I'm college educated and own a passport, library card, and The Joy of Cooking.

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 7:46:01 PM

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I may not be Geisha trained, but I'm college educated and own a passport, library card, and The Joy of Cooking.

Yes, but do you have a kimono?

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 7:58:06 PM

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Time for him to acquire The Joys of Sewing and four large sheets of silk.

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 10:34:50 PM

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Such has been my experience, as well. While closer to the mark, they are still tailored for a different anatomy, and have a different appearance (I do not want frills on my underwear, thank you very much) as well as highlighting things differently. If anything is to be highlighted, it should be my hindquarters, where the attention would usually be.

LOL obviously the intent was that they would feel like womens, the softness and comfortability, but tailored towards male anatomy. Although be very thankful you don't have to wear all the niceties we ladies do. Underwire bras, while a historic feat of engineering, are not exactly the most comfortable of things to wear.

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~lol~

I seriously doubt I would look good in a thong. And I doubt it would be comfortable.

Thus the reason they are reserved for torture LOL

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I'm too lazy to open a thread on it, but a "venting about men's clothing" thread would no doubt get a lot of replies from those of us who actually care. Personally, I find it is more comfortable to walk around in my dojo wear than regular men's clothing. The pants (for regular training) are less comfortable than hakama (for formal training), but both work well. The top is just great, lots of mobility, low friction, and plenty of air, plus you just fold it, rather than lots of buttons that serve no real purpose (aesthetic or otherwise).

How very honest of you. Although I find this to be true with my medical scrubs and lab coats as well. They are made for mobility, access, low friction, and ventilation. They also have lots of interesting pockets and hidey places. No buttons, zippers or snaps. Simply a pull tie at the waist. I grew up with them around the house and they only seem to get softer and more comfortable with wear.

Errr....I mean I always wear leather catsuits when lounging around the house and 6 inch stilletto heeled thigh high boots. Oh and there is always an implement of torture close at hand as well. Whew..that was a close one.

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How glittering they shone -
And every One unbared a Nerve
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I want a sensitive man - one who'll cry when I hit him.

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/9/2007 10:37:14 PM

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Hell yes. Me likey.

I may not be Geisha trained, but I'm college educated and own a passport, library card, and The Joy of Cooking.

ah, but which edition?

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She dealt her pretty words like Blades -
How glittering they shone -
And every One unbared a Nerve
Or wantoned with a Bone -

I want a sensitive man - one who'll cry when I hit him.

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/10/2007 12:18:49 AM

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*i immerse myself in service and humility before You.*
*Your every whim is the joyful bondage of my heart.*

I'm not quite sure how I missed these 2 particular lines within your post. Perhaps the translation portal I used did not do so correctly. Or I was focused on the actual translation without having realized you had done so already within the post. The above was not the same wording that I came up with upon translation.

They are quite appropriate. The latter is the one I find particularly beautiful. Thank you.

Thank you as well MisPandora for bring them back to my attention.

Dearest Ms Jo,

Thank You.

i merely used an online English to Japanese Dictionary and entered each word
for the translation, some offering more than one definition. i hope that the
translation of text didn't vary too much, such as "Your eyes are enormous
rice paddies in smoldering pools of steamed bok choy, served on rising
pedestals of seaweed and salmon thighs of sushi." i do apologize for anything
lost in translation!

i have been busy in devoted practice all the day long, learning to walk in the
traditional geta. (old time wooden sandal)
Click clack, thump, click clack, thump, click clack, thump, damn it!
Toothpick Ma'am?

Thank You as well Dearest YesMistressIrish

Kokoro kara
*From the bottom of my heart *

chia* (the pet)

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/10/2007 4:44:17 AM

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Although be very thankful you don't have to wear all the niceties we ladies do. Underwire bras, while a historic feat of engineering, are not exactly the most comfortable of things to wear.

At least most I've talked to consider underwire bras to be an improvement over using corsetry. Which brings us back to bifurcated garments and their propensity for testing the elasticity of the male genitalia. Again, I have seen examples of clothing intended for either gender that are less than comfortable to wear. Sometimes it is because it's hard to avoid (supporting the breast gently but firmly is a difficult task for fabric alone), while other times its because they were designed without any thought to being worn (some brands of finery for men really do qualify as CBT, even if worn properly).

Not that it's any of my business, but have you tried the antique approach of bindings?
Depending on cup (again, none of my business), that might actually be comfy.
And one gets to pick the fabric quite freely.

And, of course, most women I've met tend to put a bit more effort into their appearance than most men I've met, which accounts for some of the unpleasantness of these "niceties". Many men seem to think the gym is the only appearance related thing worth doing. Not that a moderately ripped body is unappealing per se, but proper wrapping makes a difference, and it seems men overestimate the importance of this bit.

Apart from the buttocks, of course

Can't overestimate that.

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How very honest of you. Although I find this to be true with my medical scrubs and lab coats as well.

I haven't tried medical scrubs. Some lab coats seem comfy, others less so. But I did notice a chemist I knew used to wear hers all the time. Of course, those were also quite full of tiny holes. There is, it appears, such a thing as "too comfortable" in a lab. She explained that she would absentmindedly wipe her hands/fingers on the lab coat, which wasn't always such a great idea when there were acidic compounds on them.

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They are made for mobility, access, low friction, and ventilation. They also have lots of interesting pockets and hidey places. No buttons, zippers or snaps. Simply a pull tie at the waist. I grew up with them around the house and they only seem to get softer and more comfortable with wear.

Sounds great for casual wear. I like to look good when there is an occasion for it, but around the house, and in everyday wear I prefer to go for comfort.

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Errr....I mean I always wear leather catsuits when lounging around the house and 6 inch stilletto heeled thigh high boots. Oh and there is always an implement of torture close at hand as well. Whew..that was a close one.

Ah, yes. Of course.

I obviously mean to say that I exclusively wear a leather Utilikilt (with no underwear, even in the windy coastal winters, obviously) and PVC shirts. And the single-tail always hangs at the side of the kilt, when not in use. This draws comments from the bus drivers, but I feel it is vital to "travelling in style". Exceptions are only made for my 20th Dan ultraviolet-belt workouts, where I use hakama and kimono that I bought from the imperial family of Japan.

~lol~

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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/10/2007 8:57:40 AM

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i hope that the translation of text didn't vary too much, such as "Your eyes are enormous
rice paddies in smoldering pools of steamed bok choy, served on rising
pedestals of seaweed and salmon thighs of sushi." i do apologize for anything
lost in translation!

i have been busy in devoted practice all the day long, learning to walk in the
traditional geta. (old time wooden sandal)
Click clack, thump, click clack, thump, click clack, thump, damn it!
Toothpick Ma'am? Thank You as well Dearest YesMistressIrish
Kokoro kara
*From the bottom of my heart *
chia* (the pet)

You crack me up - course I suspect you are an impish handleful for some mistress somewhere though. Anyhow I wanted to let you know that when I was in Japan - the women around us wore the traditional clothing including the sandles you speak of ....and chia pet, if you want to measure up to the ladies in Japan you will have to learn to not just walk but to run in those funky shoes.

Being a bungling, boisterous and at times clueless american it took me a few days to adjust to the idea that me striding past the ladies and opening a door or pushing an elevator button myself was very distressing to them as they veiwed this as their job. In thier efforts, in spite of me, and trussed up in thier tightly twisted kimonos and precarious shoes, they would desparately try to out run me to get out in front - diving almost to do thier "duties". As I said - after a few near disasterious, indecorous and uncharacteristic spills by the service minded ladies, I learned to pace and pause so that they could more easily get in front of me and open doors, push buttons, pull chairs etc.

It is kind of parallel to being a feminist raised by a feminist to be able to always take care of myself. Expect no knight in shining amor to rescue or sweep you up. Make you own way never ever rely on anyone else but in particular a man were mantras my mother hammered home regulalry. So, I've had to learn to let others (in particular men) do for me - even though I can do for myself quite well. And that is part of where the mistress D/s life holds fascinating and pleasure for me. That exchange of allowing myself to let someone else serve me is just so pleasurable and decadent and just darn sexy. But taking it for granted - not showing appreciation I don't see myself ever being that sort of Domina. I enjoy being brought to a purr and preening with delight and pride over thoughtful and good deed too much to hover in the negative space of enforcer. Of course some things will fall into to place as expectations but still everythng is a negotiation and a balance of getting both my needs as well as my subs needs and desires fulfilled - I just get the final word. Trust ius that I will be good at my role - which it just so happens I am good at....

But back to the Giesha's running and diving to serve me - once I got with the program and let them do their thing - the ladies practically glowed in being able to accomplish their service.

Well I am digressing the thread or is it hijack or is it a mid morning ramble....

< Message edited by ocilla -- 7/10/2007 9:14:36 AM >

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RE: male equivalent of a Geisha - 7/10/2007 5:19:38 PM

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One other comment from my direct experience in Japan to the fellow who said he would hire a Giesha - I am afraid those days are past - there are practically no modern day Geisha's remaining. I was told that maybe a handful remain and that they are nothing like the extensively trained Giesha of their heyday of the 1920's. There are "hostesses" however who are something of an escort and you could find one to help you in terms of ettiquette. My understainding is that no one choose to be a Geisha - it happened as a result of young girls being sold to brothels and tea houses by their parents. If they seemed to be particularly talented or beautiful a house might invest in there training and loan them the proper attire and accessesories (which they would have to pay for out out of their earnings thus settingup a company stroe dynamic). Once again yuck. I see no romance in the acedemic or real version - but I can understand the appeal of the fantasy version.

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