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ORIGINAL: DSwriter

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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

I do hope you won't mind my holding onto this and using it in future when I find the time to begin looking again. This really is absolutely spot on. I love it!

Ms Jo,

Please do put it to use.  Glad to hear that you find it useful.  I'll let my friend know. I'm sure she'll love hearing your response.

I thought it was a very interesting look into the mindset of the 1950's male-dominated relationship.  It is sweetly ironic that now women of the new millenium are turning it around and using it to show submissive male's what they expect.

A lot of women today probably read "The Good Wife's Guide" and are horrified by what was expected of women in the 50's.  Personally, when I read my friend's version of "The Good Gent's Guide" I found some of it a little dated, but i respect the premises that your Domme is to be spoiled, pampered, and treated like the Goddess that she is.  In that regard "The Good Gent's Guide" is something for every submissive male to constantly strive toward.

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ORIGINAL: ocilla

To your original post it may not matter actually.  As the way I am veiwing it is more academic or nerdy perhaps.  I think what you are getting at with the idea of Geisha is trying to deliniate your desires in a sub and male wife.  In the end it all just comes down to words really.  And I added to my post the word motivation - I think that may be a big part of what is not so appealing to me about the Geisha - her motivation does not resonate with what I seek from a sub/ mate. And btw - great thread - making me think through some stuff which is always good.

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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

It's not so much the attire that I find intriguing. More the mindset and dedication to service through the years of training. Although I've been to see a traditional kabuki theatre play that I found quite interesting.

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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck
Whereas a male geisha is a true companion and amusing presence in the life of their Dominant. While both are committed to service, geisha hold a far more interpersonal connection and dynamic than that of a butler.

Sounds heavenly...

I appreciate your comments and opinions. Any thoughts? Am I the only person that sees where this mindset would be a wonderful thing in regard to a submissive or male wife?

I think we should open a school to train the supplicants in their proper protocol and duties.  

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ORIGINAL: ocilla

To your original post it may not matter actually.  As the way I am veiwing it is more academic or nerdy perhaps.  I think what you are getting at with the idea of Geisha is trying to deliniate your desires in a sub and male wife.  In the end it all just comes down to words really.  And I added to my post the word motivation - I think that may be a big part of what is not so appealing to me about the Geisha - her motivation does not resonate with what I seek from a sub/ mate.
 
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I see the motivation of a Geisha quite differently. I see the heart in it. What I have read, seen in movies and documentaries, and felt is that there is a desire to be pleasing in every way. Educated in all things, she is wise, a great conversationalist, catering to every need. Her whole being focused on being satisfying in every way for her man. What we are talking about here is the training and attitude continuing over a long term relationship.
My favorite terms so far are Knight (although wonderful, does not imply much  household maintenance training) and Male Wife which covers the home, and does not necessarily cover the gallentry or protection in any and all public arenas.
 
I like Knight-Wife, and still wish I could find a historical term or a new one to include Male-Geisha.
 
This is a fun topic and thought provoking, and thanks to the DSwriter for The Good Gent's guide and all the posters sharing their thoughts and opinions here.
 
Re: Rogue. My connotation is a swashbuckling strong male who will do anything for his woman. He wears billowy white shirts that show off his chest and strong arms, skintight pants that enhance his package, and boots. He carries weapons on himself at all times for protection, and has a strong personality, good survival instincts, and drops his attitude around his woman, as he slaves on his knees for his woman.
(I think of the word Slave as a beautiful thing, a new wold slave with dignity and needs, opinions, etc., as apposed to the old version which depicts NO rights of any kind.) 
 
I am a deeply romantic person with a very vivid imagination. I believe all things are possible. We dream, we create, we strive to be alive. Many miracles have happened in my life while having this positive belief system and I am grateful to be a Romantic. I am also happy to have my Nasty side, as in 20% sadistic. *smirk. It ALL turns me on, and that's a happy place for me to be.
 
Thanks littlesarbonn for your humor.
 
Jo: And btw - great thread - making me think and get those creative juices going which is always a good thing.

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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet
*i immerse myself in service and humility before You.*
*Your every whim is the joyful bondage of my heart.*

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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet
*i immerse myself in service and humility before You.*
*Your every whim is the joyful bondage of my heart.*

I truly enjoyed how these two lines read.  Thanks for sharing.

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I study the ancient world around the Near East and the Mediterranean. What I know about geisha is from things I've seen and discussions with people who do study Japan. A geisha may be accepted by a wife, just as a hetaera was in ancient Greece. But neither were/are considered appropriate spouse material in their cultures.

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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck
Whereas a male geisha is a true companion and amusing presence in the life of their Dominant. While both are committed to service, geisha hold a far more interpersonal connection and dynamic than that of a butler.

Sounds heavenly...

I appreciate your comments and opinions. Any thoughts? Am I the only person that sees where this mindset would be a wonderful thing in regard to a submissive or male wife?

I think we should open a school to train the supplicants in their proper protocol and duties.  

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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I study the ancient world around the Near East and the Mediterranean. What I know about geisha is from things I've seen and discussions with people who do study Japan. A geisha may be accepted by a wife, just as a hetaera was in ancient Greece. But neither were/are considered appropriate spouse material in their cultures.

I find this very interesting. I didn't realize that was the consideration and thought that often they found spouses in their clientel. Again, it's simply my opinion but I think the ability to be a charming hostess, a helpmate, dedicated to service and the ability to converse intelligently would all be wonderful attributes to have in a spouse. That the services Geisha are trained to be skillful at would be attributes for a male wife to have. I realize that many may not hold this same ideal. That's the delight of all this, we're all individuals and look for different aspects in those we seek.

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*i immerse myself in service and humility before You.*
*Your every whim is the joyful bondage of my heart.*

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ORIGINAL: NovelApproach

And if one were into cross-dressing or costume fetishism, having a sub dress up in either an elaborate Geisha's kimono or traditional male kimono could be a lot of fun.

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I study the ancient world around the Near East and the Mediterranean. What I know about geisha is from things I've seen and discussions with people who do study Japan. A geisha may be accepted by a wife, just as a hetaera was in ancient Greece. But neither were/are considered appropriate spouse material in their cultures.

I find this very interesting. I didn't realize that was the consideration and thought that often they found spouses in their clientel. Again, it's simply my opinion but I think the ability to be a charming hostess, a helpmate, dedicated to service and the ability to converse intelligently would all be wonderful attributes to have in a spouse. That the services Geisha are trained to be skillful at would be attributes for a male wife to have. I realize that many may not hold this same ideal. That's the delight of all this, we're all individuals and look for different aspects in those we seek.

The only time I have ever heard of a geisha becoming a client's spouse is in movies.

I think most of them are working for a house or an older geisha and some become independent agents. The non-fiction stuff I have seen and read about them indicate that it is a profession not a personality trait or a vehicle to find a mate.

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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

Well I wouldn't share him sexually with other women or allow him to see other Dominants. However, having him do some sort of entertaining little dance for a Girls Night In might be quite amusing however.

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ORIGINAL: NovelApproach

And if one were into cross-dressing or costume fetishism, having a sub dress up in either an elaborate Geisha's kimono or traditional male kimono could be a lot of fun.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I actually like both male kimono and hakama.

Why should only women get to wear good silks etc.?

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ORIGINAL: aidan

I was actually talking with a group a few weeks ago about an idea I had for a the combined role of a samurai and geisha (with accompanying outfit!). Some purists might scoff, but...meh. It fits me pretty well, I think. And the root of samurai is "one who serves", so it's not too far of a stretch for a submissive.

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Well I wouldn't share him sexually with other women or allow him to see other Dominants. However, having him do some sort of entertaining little dance for a Girls Night In might be quite amusing however.

IIRC, Geisha weren't generally supposed to engage in sexual relations with clients.

What you're looking for seems more equivalent to a high class courtesan.

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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

More the mindset and dedication to service through the years of training.

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

Having studied Japanese culture extensively, it just doesn't seem to fit with the type of submission and submissive lifestyle I think would be appropriate.

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Part of the problem is that what is being discussed here is really badly presented as what Geisha are.