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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 6:49:19 AM

Satyr6406

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you know how stupid that is. to say things like that... did you know sigmond freud could not spell either. he had to have another person write his letters for him to the president when he talked about atomic power and that the germans could be close to it historical fact

Sigmund Freud wrote to the President about atomic power? Damn! When I was in college (studying psychology), we were always told that he was the Father of Modern Psycho-analysis. Maybe he and Albert Einstein shared a brain? (and a time machine?)

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 7:02:11 AM

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I dont think it as a matter of if it is never tested then it isnt real, If the Dr tells you you are elergic to peanuts do you need to go eat peanuts and go into anafalaxes to make it true or isnt it just as much the truth if you never test it??

silly girl.. how do you think the Doctor makes that opinion in the first place... what you think I walk in and he says.. mmmmmmm your allergic to peanuts.. NEXT.... nope.. he ask questions and then he will do some tests that will help him make a determination. Of course... it might be when you go to the doctor.. that he doesn't need to do the tests.. because you did the test ready and that is why you are their in the first place.

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 7:34:01 AM

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As far as suffering and submission and yadda yadda...I can't say I suffer. I can say if I were meant to I'd do ti without question. If a test is what She wants to run me through so be it. It's NOT my PLACE TO QUESTION HER. It's not manipulative...it's something to celebrate when we're done. It'll end in laughter on Her part whether I'm in tears a pool of blood passed out or pissin myself. Masochist or not there's only so much I can handle. And if She wants to push that point and make me suffer alright I'm game. I don't know about the rest of you but I signed on for real into this shit. I don't much care if I suffer or not. I'm just grateful to be here and to be serving Her.

And this aint no damned gift either. It's just the way it is damnit.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it

Greetings BoiJen,

Well said. I signed on for real as well and have little place in my life for restrictions, contracts or limits.

well wishes ~ fairer

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 12:47:24 PM

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But.. but..if slaves/submissives didn't suffer, how ELSE would they be able to prove their Slavier-Then-Thouness to everybody else?

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 12:47:58 PM

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I propose they do it by fellatio.

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 12:51:09 PM

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I thought you preferred irrumatio...

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 12:59:54 PM

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How about a BLTomatio? On whole wheatio?

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 1:04:04 PM

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 1:05:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: StellaByStarlite

But.. but..if slaves/submissives didn't suffer, how ELSE would they be able to prove their Slavier-Then-Thouness to everybody else?

Personally, I cant understand why everyone takes this concept and makes it out to be some horrible insecurity where the slave is proving their slavehood to everyone in the world.

Any girl I have is only proving her Slavier-Than-Thouness to me. Just like I am proving my Trustier-Than-Thouness and More Integrity-Than-Thouness from the first time we meet for a cup of coffee.

We are constantly validating and seeking proof all the time in life. Most of the time, we're just unaware of it. We just be ourselves, people see our actions, and go "Wow...that guy is awesome" because of their newly discovered proof that the guy is awesome.

However, anytime someone taking the search for validation and makes it into a test that people are aware of, its a bad thing and an insecurity, because of the human pride that says "I shouldnt have to prove myself to anyone!"

It really should be "I shouldnt have to be aware of when I am proving myself to someone!"

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 1:18:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Personally, I cant understand why everyone takes this concept and makes it out to be some horrible insecurity where the slave is proving their slavehood to everyone in the world.

Because most of the time it is.

quote:

However, anytime someone taking the search for validation and makes it into a test that people are aware of, its a bad thing and an insecurity, because of the human pride that says "I shouldnt have to prove myself to anyone!"

It really should be "I shouldnt have to be aware of when I am proving myself to someone!"

I think it's more that when you're talking long term relationships, setting up a dynamic of regularly needing to prove things tends to lead to failure. It often sets up a pattern in the psyche that if they don't keep proving it- then it goes away, or it's not as important. So instead of just BEING in the relationship together, everyone's busy simply trying to maintain how awesome they are in it.

I don't prove who I am- I AM who I am. That proves it more than enough for me. If I have to TRY to do it, then I'm not just doing it. And life will show more than anything a person needs to know about me.

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 1:19:23 PM

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For me, there is no pleasure without some degree of pain. I suffer and endure for His pleasure.

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 1:31:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

Just my thought, honestly there is very little chance that anyone will make me think testing another persons word is anything more then a manipulative un trusting game...

Just a thought here, and I'm not trying to flame you, ms - this is my take on it.

I can ~say~ all day long that I will do anything my Sir or Master asks of me, but words are only words and action is, sometimes, the only thing that counts, even if my suffering is a pure whim for him. It is a show of my submission, doing things that are difficult, doing things I don't want to do, but ~doing~ them because it gives me an opportunity to show him that I surrender, even when it is personally distasteful or difficult.

Of course there are abusers dressed in Dom costumes who suck newbie subs dry. That's a whole separate issue.

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 1:35:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I think it's more that when you're talking long term relationships, setting up a dynamic of regularly needing to prove things tends to lead to failure.

I agree with that. There is a line between seeking validation in the beginnings of getting to know someone and an endless series of tests to try and provide validation that should already be there.

Personally, conforming to my own personal standards is really the only validation I need. Anything outside of that is for my own personal enjoyment from time to time.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I don't prove who I am- I AM who I am.

Which is cool...except my slave, at least, will be changing, becoming partially who I want them to be...whether its a style of dress or doing a particular action that they might not find personal enjoyment in.

They are who they are, but some part will becomming what I want them to be. That is the part I want validation for and proofof ...whether that proof is provided simply threw the natural progression of the relationship or a little scenario created for my own personal enjoyment.

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 1:46:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Satyr6406

quote:

ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64
you know how stupid that is. to say things like that... did you know sigmond freud could not spell either. he had to have another person write his letters for him to the president when he talked about atomic power and that the germans could be close to it historical fact

Sigmund Freud wrote to the President about atomic power? Damn! When I was in college (studying psychology), we were always told that he was the Father of Modern Psycho-analysis. Maybe he and Albert Einstein shared a brain? (and a time machine?)

Peace and comfort,

Michael

yep i always get them confused it was Albert Einstein

The Manhattan Project. is what this deals with but the historical facts are the same here are some other ones Famous people brilliant bad spellers. Winston Churchill, Richard Branson, John Lennon, , Thomas Edison, Picasso, Jackie Stewart, Leonardo Da Vinci, Michael Faraday, Henry Ford

Now while.. i may make errors and type badly my points are on the nose.
if you can not deal with people that make Mistakes. thats on you..

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 1:54:03 PM

lonlyrossInNeed

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i dont think there has to be suffering to be a Slave or submissive but i love to suffer for the right Mistress ;)

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 2:04:27 PM

LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
They are who they are, but some part will becomming what I want them to be. That is the part I want validation for and proofof ...whether that proof is provided simply threw the natural progression of the relationship or a little scenario created for my own personal enjoyment.

And, as always, I'm totally cool with you needing that for yourself.

And you're cool with me finding validation in my own way.

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 3:10:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave
My Master has NEVER made me do something I really didnt want to do, I am more then happy to have done anything for him, but he never asked me to do sertain things because he knew it would really upset me to have to do them. Does it make me less of a slave because he never made me suffer, and that he put my emotional well beeing and happyness high on the list of priorities?? I dont think so!!

Given that there have been a few threads started by you where you were in distress and emotionally distraught over decisions and choices that your master made in regards to you I don't think this paragraph accurately states what went on in your relationship.

There was one just a couple months ago where you were feeling taken advantage of and started questioning if he even wanted you as a slave. Then during New Years you felt abandoned and alone because he didn't pay attention to you at a party and your opinion of him started changing.

The comment that you were more than happy to have done anything for him and that he never asked you to do anything that would upset you is either not true or these other threads are not true. I think it is very unwise of you to start bashing other people for the choices they make in their relationships when it does not appear that you are even accurately portraying your own relationship.

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 3:31:18 PM

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 4:07:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Because thats what she does.

If was really interested in understanding it, she could have read the thread. Many people, including myself, have provided many posts explaining the theory and the concept. Apparently, she just read the first post and went straight to her keyboard to start an indiginant new thread without really applying any cognitive thought to the subject.

But, of course, if she had done that, she couldnt make a new thread, flaming the subject with misplaced righteousness and sharing her wonderful opinion of "I dont like it, its stupid, everyone is an idiot who does it".

Personally, I could have made a few posts here, explaining and clarifying the subject, but I am 99% sure, it will just be met with "Thats not my definition of suffering" and "Well, its stupid" type responses, so why waste my time?

Another compelling topic of discussion of "Its Not My Kink So Its Fucking Stupid".

I dont recall doing any thing if the sort, I refered to that thread because it most closley explained what I was talking about, I did read the entire thing but I wanted to provide a thread on the opposite view, you dont like it ok dont read my threads, you know that little X in the corner of the screen?? Use it!!! I wasnt trying to be judgmental I was simply giveing my opinion, NO where did I say anyone was stupid or bad for haveing a kink, in fact there are many posts here I made saying that it was a kink and that was fine but that it wasnt for me!!! Maybe you are the one that needs to read the entire thread. I am not close minded I just havent seen anything that has changed my mind and well I honestly dont think there is something that will, that doesnt mean Im saying people that like suffering or feel it is nessisery are stupid. I never one time said that one time, I did say I think testing anothers word is immeture and I still do beleave that, but that is my opinion... Its how I feel, and if you are so up in arms about me feeling that way and saying so what makes you so much better for comeing here and attacking me on it, kinda the pot calling the kettle black....

ms

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RE: To be a slave you must suffer, who the hell made th... - 8/2/2007 4:19:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave
My Master has NEVER made me do something I really didnt want to do, I am more then happy to have done anything for him, but he never asked me to do sertain things because he knew it would really upset me to have to do them. Does it make me less of a slave because he never made me suffer, and that he put my emotional well beeing and happyness high on the list of priorities?? I dont think so!!

Given that there have been a few threads started by you where you were in distress and emotionally distraught over decisions and choices that your master made in regards to you I don't think this paragraph accurately states what went on in your relationship.

There was one just a couple months ago where you were feeling taken advantage of and started questioning if he even wanted you as a slave. Then during New Years you felt abandoned and alone because he didn't pay attention to you at a party and your opinion of him started changing.

The comment that you were more than happy to have done anything for him and that he never asked you to do anything that would upset you is either not true or these other threads are not true. I think it is very unwise of you to start bashing other people for the choices they make in their relationships when it does not appear that you are even accurately portraying your own relationship.

Knight's Kyra

What you are refering to was not him makeing me suffer for the sake of suffeing or to prove that i was a slave, what went on and the suffering I went through is much the same suffering I have gone though in totaly non BDSM relationships such as the ones I have with my sisters, It was suffering because I didnt communicate that i wasnt getting what i wanted or needed or that I felt taken advantage of, it had little to do with BDSM at all and more to do with my personality...

I tend to take care of everyone els first and then I suffer for it because Im not takeing care of me, and no one els is eather and thats what the problem was there...

The things that I went through during those threads have nothign to do with things he asked me to do but were more that I wasnt asking for what I needed and then I didnt like when I didnt get them, I am learning that people arent mind readers and I need to ask.

It isnt however what im talking about here. Master never once asked me to do something that would upset me (such as scat, water sport, or even shareing me) to do, and those threads that you pulled up dont prove that he did, they just show that I have suffered, though I never said I didnt, however the sufffering was do to lack of communication and little more.

I am suffering right now as well but it has little to do with M/s though it does involve Master.. I dont really know why you are trying to make me look like a lier.

I am However sticking to what I wrote here as the threads you brought up have nothing to do with what I am saying here. And what I have said here is the trueth, there was no missrepresentation of my relationship at all.

ps: When i was suffering dureing those times, I wasnt suffering for Master, I was suffering from things he didnt want me to suffer from and at times he had no desire for me to suffer, and he was actually as un happy as I for the suffering I had gone through, So you tried to make me look bad and I dont know why but the threads you brought up have nothing to do with what I am talking about here which is when a master feels he needs to make a slave perposfully suffer to prove they are a slave, or why people feel that slaves must suffer any more then any other person...

Come on we all know EVERYONE in life is going to suffer because a lot of life is suffering and that is what was happening to me in those threads I was suffering because of life not because it was Masters will for me to suffer because i am a slave, and what I was talking about in this thread is the thought that slaves must suffer more because they are slaves....

ms

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