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Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 4:47:41 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		Prompted by some other threads and posts on here,the thought came about The US and it's interest in sorting out the world. I understand a lot of you from the US are fed up with your country allowing it's citizens to die on foreign shores and quite rightly so, I feel the same about my own country.

But,what would happen if the US stopped helping it's allies and concerned itself purely with defence of it's own shores.You,like us are a warring nation, it seems we have to have a scrap now and again to be happy, but what would happen do you think if the US suddenly ignored the rest of the world.

I am interested in what would happen to US society,ignore the turmoil in other countries, if you like,their problem,let them sort it out.What would the US do?Think into the future,the possibilities given your current leadership and social structure.

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 4:56:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Prompted by some other threads and posts on here,the thought came about The US and it's interest in sorting out the world. I understand a lot of you from the US are fed up with your country allowing it's citizens to die on foreign shores and quite rightly so, I feel the same about my own country.

But,what would happen if the US stopped helping it's allies and concerned itself purely with defence of it's own shores.You,like us are a warring nation, it seems we have to have a scrap now and again to be happy, but what would happen do you think if the US suddenly ignored the rest of the world.

I am interested in what would happen to US society,ignore the turmoil in other countries, if you like,their problem,let them sort it out.What would the US do?Think into the future,the possibilities given your current leadership and social structure.


Just what war did the US enter to help its allies? Don't say WWII, Japan attacked it and Germany declared war on it. The USA's first aggressive war was in 1812, a land grab for Canada and Florida (first depends on what criteria you use) . That doesn't make the US worse than anyone else but it does not make the US a benigh power that goes round helping everyone else. If you analyse US history you will see that the USA does everything in the interest of the USA. There is nothing wrong with that, why should they do anything for someone else but let's not fall for the myth put around by political establishments with an agenda.

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 5:00:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Prompted by some other threads and posts on here,the thought came about The US and it's interest in sorting out the world. I understand a lot of you from the US are fed up with your country allowing it's citizens to die on foreign shores and quite rightly so, I feel the same about my own country.

But,what would happen if the US stopped helping it's allies and concerned itself purely with defence of it's own shores.You,like us are a warring nation, it seems we have to have a scrap now and again to be happy, but what would happen do you think if the US suddenly ignored the rest of the world.

I am interested in what would happen to US society,ignore the turmoil in other countries, if you like,their problem,let them sort it out.What would the US do?Think into the future,the possibilities given your current leadership and social structure.




Just what war did the US enter to help its allies? Don't say WWII, Japan attacked it and Germany declared war on it. The USA's first aggressive war was in 1812, a land grab for Canada and Florida. That doesn't make the US worse than anyone else but it does not make the US a benigh power that goes round helping everyone else. If you analyse US history you will see that the USA does everything in the interest of the USA. There is nothing wrong with that, why should they do anything for someone else but let's not fall for the myth put around by political establishments with an agenda.


Fair enough , I understand that,but my interest was what would possibly happen within the US, it's stability and freedom if they suddenly stopped sending their citizens to fight and die abroad.


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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 5:06:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Fair enough , I understand that,but my interest was what would possibly happen within the US, it's stability and freedom if they suddenly stopped sending their citizens to fight and die abroad.



Wars are fought by the indoctrinated citizen for the gain of the rich and powerful.

Give someone a flag and an anthem and they will gladly die in a country they have never heard of for a cause they don't understand.

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 5:10:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		The problem for the US and every other country, is that its wealth is not completely inherent to itself. Every country relies to some extent for its wealth on other countries and what is traded between them. The US probably less so than many countries, but oil as ever, is a good example of something for which the US relies on imports to meets its requirement.

The absence of a standing force has the possibilities for some rather unfortuitous outcomes in this scenario;
1) Those who require that which you trade, have the opportunity to come take it for nothing if they choose
2) Even if they dont come take it, their capability to do so means they have the upper hand in negotiation; you will receive whatever price they deem suitable
3) The same scenario means that your trading partner has the upper hand in negotiation in respect of the goods you need from them; you will pay whatever price they deem suitable

The effect of course is to totally undermine one's economy, which relies on the importation of some things, paid for by the exportation of things you have to sell.

E



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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 5:49:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with all the posts and the criticism of the idealism inherent in the OP.

Its obvious to me that the mighty four Brit posters should be running the US.
Meatcleaver: President
LadyE: Foreign Affairs
Seeks: Dept of Justice
NG: Ministry of Silly Walks.
IRS. he likes to spend taxpayers money
Dept of  Good Intentions
Dept of Homeland Insecurity.

We would invite Pahunk to take over the Dept of Education

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 6:08:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		thank you for the nomination Seeks, but I shall have to decline I'm sorry.

the only position I feel is suitable for me is Supreme Glorious Empress, with the powers of an absolute monarch, millions of loyal subjects, lots of houses, property and wealth and no one to answer to.

E

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 6:25:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		LadyE: At the moment Turkey is poised to invade Northern Iraq. That would be your first "problem"
As a diversion you could spend some time "observing" those Turkish wrestlers that oil up their bodies, all glistening and muscley.
They might be Greek but I expect some live in Turkey lol.

Does that tempt you.
You could take Pahunk with you as a token of goodwill.
To Pahunk I mean not the Turks.

Another perk for you LadyE would be some "intimate" consultations with Condeleeza Rice.  NG to advise you there

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 6:25:36 AM   
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Seeks - I am distressed... Brit posters - and you forgot us! - and even after I said your photo was lovely...
 
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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 6:31:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

LadyE: At the moment Turkey is poised to invade Northern Iraq. That would be your first "problem"
As a diversion you could spend some time "observing" those Turkish wrestlers that oil up their bodies, all glistening and muscley.
They might be Greek but I expect some live in Turkey lol.



Does that tempt you.
You could take Pahunk with you as a token of goodwill.
To Pahunk I mean not the Turks.


Hello.  Thanks for the compliment. :-)

Unbelievable that the congress is scolding - debating this LAME topic.  What does that have to do with meat and potatos on the table?

NOTHING.

How did even get on the schedule? What a banana republic.

The inportant stuff is ignored- and the carnival plays on.

No matter how tittilating the carnival is- at some hour it ends- and one has to return to the real world.

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 6:32:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I would like to imagine they might put some money and energy into rebuilding places like New Orleans and the like, and plough monies into regeneration programmes.
 
However, the reality is that just aint gonna happen.
 
Like any isolated multicultural community, they would plunge into civil unrest and destroy themselves, plus without external aid or forces, like any country - be at a loss.
 
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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 6:34:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

LadyE: At the moment Turkey is poised to invade Northern Iraq. That would be your first "problem"
As a diversion you could spend some time "observing" those Turkish wrestlers that oil up their bodies, all glistening and muscley.
They might be Greek but I expect some live in Turkey lol.

Does that tempt you.
You could take Pahunk with you as a token of goodwill.
To Pahunk I mean not the Turks.


You know? Some people see problems - I see opportunities ('cause I swallowed a management techniques book once).

Let the Turks go into Kurdistan..... and we'll go into Turkey at the other end. Even with their huge army, I doubt they'll like a war on two fronts. Hey, we'll even get the Russians in on it - they hate the Turks apparently. NATO is irrelevant - it only says we come to the aid of members who are attacked - doesnt say we should do or not do anything if they attack someone else, and as Supreme Glorious Empress, my reading of the Treaty is of course, the correct one.

The goals of our invasion are to nab all those sunny beaches for ourselves, put Syria under a lot of pressure and be able to pass a resolution that says there was genocide in Armenia. If you like, since I know you, you can seize all the wrestlers you want at the same time.

E

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 6:36:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry Dark my mistake.

Dept of Hugs and Culture for you with special responsibility to bring romance back into popular entertainment.
Get rid of all the glamourised violence and bad language.

Darcy could be Minister for Shirts with special responsibility for raising the standard of male clothes sense.

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 6:43:15 AM   
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LadyE
Let the Turks go into Kurdistan..... and we'll go into Turkey at the other end.


LadyE your first diplomatic gaffe !
Lawrence of Arabia told me that thats the direction the Turks like to enter.

Also casting doubts on the sexualty of the Minister for Justice could cause big trouble for you lol

Wonder if we are annoying Aneiren lol

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 6:45:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Annoying Aneirin would be a bonus. Its you I prefer annoying

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 6:46:12 AM   
RCdc


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Status: offline 		Yeah - I could swing with the romance.
But about this getting rid of the glamourised violence and bad language - seeing as I swear like a trooper that could be a problem.  I believe Darcy might be good as Minister of the realities of Violence(and horror) though - kinda his forte.
 
I am a bit wary of Lady E being given a role though - after the other thread Michael started, I am beginning to worry that the UK might end up with no take-away establishments... And I would be sad to lose my local kebab house...
 
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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 6:46:41 AM   
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It puzzles me that- anyone gets charged with crime there - when the system itself=-was negligent.

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 6:47:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh. never fear - takeaway food would be obligatory consumption twice a week under my reign of terror, sorry beneficent rule.

And anyone who doesnt like Indian food would be sent for adjustment therapy.

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 6:59:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
Yeah - I could swing with the romance.
But about this getting rid of the glamourised violence and bad language - seeing as I swear like a trooper that could be a problem.  I believe Darcy might be good as Minister of the realities of Violence(and horror) though - kinda his forte.
 Peacethe.dark.


You are right, about the violence I mean
I made another mistake there, especially considering this is a BDSM site lol 

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RE: Giving up war? - 10/17/2007 7:57:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Yeah - I could swing with the romance.
But about this getting rid of the glamourised violence and bad language - seeing as I swear like a trooper that could be a problem.  I believe Darcy might be good as Minister of the realities of Violence(and horror) though - kinda his forte.
 
I am a bit wary of Lady E being given a role though - after the other thread Michael started, I am beginning to worry that the UK might end up with no take-away establishments... And I would be sad to lose my local kebab house...
 
Peace
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Swear like a trooper,hey,you have'nt got that anymore.

Oh, Seeks and Lady E, I am very hard to annoy as Dark and Darcy know.


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