• Hispanic nationalism

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Ok, you're right, I should've been more clear, Salma&Eva are advocating for ILLEGAL Hispanics...Hispanic AMERICAN citizens already have the same rights and privileges as everyone else,

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ORIGINAL: eyeh8f8

La Raza (Mexican Spanish IPA: [la ˈrasa]; Castilian Spanish IPA: [la ˈraθa]) is a Mexican Spanish phrase which literally translated as "The Race". It is used to denote the people of Latin America and the Hispanic world, who share the cultural and political legacies of Spanish colonialism, including the Spanish language and culture. The term La Raza is mostly used by patriotic Mexicans and Mexican Americans. The term may also refer to a racial significance associated with mestizo (mixed race). The term originated in the book La Raza Cósmica written by a Mexican writer, José Vasconcelos. He described La Raza Cosmica as the product of racial mixing over time that was already in progress in the Hispanic world. Vasconcelos believed that eventually all of the people within the Spanish Empire would completely mixed into a new race that had the best attributes of all the cultures; armies of these people would then go forth around the world professing their knowledge and initiating the "universal era of humanity".
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• Hispanic nationalism

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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We already have a document that started with "We the People...of the United States"

I see it doesn't say "We the Lawful Residents" or "We the Citizens"... So, how do you go from the Open and Inclusive definition of "People" to the restrictive definition you apparently prefer?

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The new wave of illegal alien "immigrants" don't want to union or unify, they want to keep their old ways, and somehow ALSO keep the privileges of America--WITHOUT paying for it!

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

Again: It says, "We the People of the United States", NOT "We the People of Mexico"...

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Because the rich live in gated, guarded communities, so as the rest of America/the world becomes a Third World hell and/or a gangland warzone, they're safe in their little Dreamland mini-nations...

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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Because the rich live in gated, guarded communities, so as the rest of America/the world becomes a Third World hell and/or a gangland warzone, they're safe in their little Dreamland mini-nations...

Which should provide many job opportunities for Blackwater as private police in the future.

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

So naturally, if you see someone who looks X, if you have had bad dealings with X in the past (For instance, at my college, 10 Mexicans--who were luckily NOT students--shot 5 students...That qualifies, don't you think?), you'll distrust them. They'll have to work TWICE as hard to prove they're on YOUR side--or they have the same opportunities to prove the stereotypes are correct!

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

You brought up the claim that La Raza was a racial thing, I've debunked it.

And please do explain how it is biting the hand that feeds them to advocate civil rights for Hispanic citizens of the US? 
(Hint: If you dont want racism to be raised, don't bring it up first, and don't complain about legal Hispanics who want the same rights as anyone else.  Dismissing the real problem behind the government's apparently illogical policy on illegal immigration doesn't help your case either.)

So far all you have contributed is regurgitation of someone else's polemic rhetoric.

Thinking for yourself is harder than being a parrot, but if you work at it, it will become a habit.

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ORIGINAL: camille65

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH
(For instance, at my college, 10 Mexicans--who were luckily NOT students--shot 5 students...That qualifies, don't you think?), you'll distrust them. They'll have to work TWICE as hard to prove they're on YOUR side--or they have the same opportunities to prove the stereotypes are correct!

Um yeah. Maybe it is 'natural' inside your head but it sure is not natural in my mind. I'm not going to bother responding to the rest of your..thoughts.. because it is obvious to me that you haven't any interest in views that don't coincide with your own.
I don't mean this harshly but you seem to have a really skewed perspective on a lot of things, and you seem to refuse to genuinely discuss things. Only stay entrenched in your views, discourse and discussion can lead to wonderful new ideas.

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

You brought up the claim that La Raza was a racial thing, I've debunked it.
 This comes from the wacko right radio.There`s only one guy saying that La Raza is a racist group.Michael Savage(who`s last name used to be Weiner),is a very entertaining and train wrecky kind of  guy(like Ann Coulter),who broadcasts out of San Fransisco.You almost can`t believe a guy would say the things he does,and get away with it.
His radio station has been under pressure to have him fired,and La Raza is one of the groups involved,so Savage is calling them a racist group(which they are not).
He calls everyone he dislikes,a racist,communist,Leninist,Trotskyist (lol,I know,weird)),nazi,fascist,America hater,Jesus hater,Allah lover(yup,weird),Stalinist,Hitler,etc.
Basically,he uses the names from the most insulting and vile side of the list,and calls everyone these names.He does it in almost every sentence, like a velvet smooth hip-hop artist.It`s amazing.
And it leaves an impression,on impressionable people.
I`m thinking that EPGAH ,listens to Savage and heard the La Raza thing,and believes it.
He`s making a lot of points in his posts,that are almost word for word, from Michael Savage`s radio show.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Sorry,.. The "La Raza" ARE a racist group, by definition"
thing,as well as the extreme nature of your comments,had me thrown.
Perhaps I did you a favor.
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

Again: It says, "We the People of the United States", NOT "We the People of Mexico"...

Nope that is old world the new world is:

"We the corporations of The United States of America"

Of the Corporations by the corporations and for the corporations.

Dont kid yourselves.

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

Well, I don't know if this makes sense to you, but one's past dealings with any group, ethnic or gender, colors one's future dealings with that group.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
 This comes from the wacko right radio.

He calls everyone he dislikes,a racist,communist,Leninist,Trotskyist (lol,I know,weird)),nazi,fascist,America hater,Jesus hater,Allah lover(yup,weird),Stalinist,Hitler,etc.