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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 11:02:28 AM   
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Well, the 'full undisclosed knowledge' was the crux of my post.  Yes, people do change and grow... and it is at that point that the discussion should take place... for the first time for everyone. 

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 11:08:18 AM   
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Well, the 'full undisclosed knowledge' was the crux of my post.  Yes, people do change and grow... and it is at that point that the discussion should take place... for the first time for everyone. 
   But how would one know that this?   Would the Dominant tell the submissive, "I lied and agreed to this only to get you to agree to accept my collar.   Now that you have accepted it, I am in charge and if I want to have a harem of submissive there is nothing you could do about it."

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 11:12:55 AM   
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I'm going to post as another insecure one. And yes, insecure. I worry at times that I am being too clingy and needy, and I recongize that I am somewhat (If irrationally) afraid that the guy I am currently seeing will leave at any point. I would not say that this is a strong fear, but it does rear it's ugly head at times and I do try to deal with it and get over it.

I don't think that all people who pratice monogamy have the same fear, but I do. Which is why I am 99.9% sure that I will turn into a crazed psycho bitch in a poly relationship and don't even try. I told the guy I am seeing, my current Dom, that monogamy was a must.

And while I can intellectually understand why others are poly, to experience new things and for deep connections with others, I can't emotionally comphrend it. This is not meant to be a dig at poly people, just saying that I don't think it's a part of my psyche.  I can get that guys and girls like other girls, but I just don't see the appeal in it, but it doesn't mean that I am anti-gay or anti-straight guy. Doesn't mean I want to, but it doesn't mean I think less of it for not being what I do.

I think I can safely say that I would perfer stability and support from one person then a group. I also don't do casual play, so affairs of that nature just are not my cup of tea, no matter if I am in a relationship or not. Maybe it's just how my mind works.

I also think that I would probably end up comparing any guy I was dealing with(That is, when I am not being jealous of other women) to whoever was primary. Which just isn't fair to the new person and somewhat defeats one of the purposes of doing it.

I think that poly CAN work, and can be just as, if not more loving then any monogamous relationship. I don't think one is inherently better then the other, I think it depends on the people in the relationship.

Edit: I would say that the case of a Master saying one thing and then doing another isn't poly, it's being a dick


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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 11:20:37 AM   
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hi squeakers.... makes sense to me.... happily wandering around drawing bigger and bigger circles as i find others who want to be included :).  being ecstatically happy is attainable.... energy that flows is awesome.

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 11:22:37 AM   
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But how would one know that this?   Would the Dominant tell the submissive, "I lied and agreed to this only to get you to agree to accept my collar.   Now that you have accepted it, I am in charge and if I want to have a harem of submissive there is nothing you could do about it."


Well, yes i have seen just that happen.  Once collared... there is the 'I am king (beating on chest) and you are slave I will do what I want, when I want mentality.  The sad thing is that many times the slave/submissive is in so deep, they 'go along' or lose him.   It is this sort of deception (yes i do view it as being deceptive) that i have issues with.  Remember, though i am one of the insecure ones. 

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 11:36:53 AM   
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    Just cause you do not fallow everyone's concept does not mean your insecure just means your well rounded with who you are. and have no need to  be a fashion Nazi or cause it is popular at the time. It shows you are willing to be you a true you. Not  like the carnation instant plastic people person.. As for a earlier post. Here is the problem.  NOT EVERYONE IS HONEST WITH  THEMSELVES OR PEOPLE THEY ARE WITH
  Some do not even know what is right for them. Cause everyone is trying to make them into their version of what is right. But people  It is like this  They are not your shoes.  No matter what you say or do. each life is unto its self an entity. So how does it effect people.  Just sit and watch someone who's life is going through a divorce or someone that is gong through drama. yep it effects everyone. If you can not see it or common sense it not awake up stairs thats on you. 

heres your sign 

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 11:37:55 AM   
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hmm.. intresting..
my 2 bits is this..
i agree with squeakers..
we think alike.. ( or i think we do)


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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 11:42:13 AM   
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   Just cause you do not fallow everyone's concept does not mean your insecure just means your well rounded with who you are. and have no need to  be a fashion Nazi or cause it is popular at the time. It shows you are willing to be you a true you. Not  like the carnation instant plastic people person.. As for a earlier post. Here is the problem.  NOT EVERYONE IS HONEST WITH  THEMSELVES OR PEOPLE THEY ARE WITH
Some do not even know what is right for them. Cause everyone is trying to make them into their version of what is right. But people  It is like this  They are not your shoes.  No matter what you say or do. each life is unto its self an entity. So how does it effect people.  Just sit and watch someone who's life is going through a divorce or someone that is gong through drama. yep it effects everyone. If you can not see it or common sense it not awake up stairs thats on you. 

heres your sign 


You have not listened and you refuse to answer the questions I have asked you

Who is affected by the way my Master and I choose to live our relationship?
How does it effect anyone but me, him and the third person we involve?
Why should divorce or drama come into it. All 3 of us involved are aware and in agreement to what is going on.

It effects NOBODY outside of the 3 people involved in the relationship.

If you cannot see that then it is you that is lacking in common sense.

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 11:45:09 AM   
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As for a earlier post. Here is the problem.  NOT EVERYONE IS HONEST WITH  THEMSELVES OR PEOPLE THEY ARE WITH


Because crazy people and assholes are good examples of how the life should be done! And if they screw up, blame everyone who does it!

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 11:49:43 AM   
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not everything is so right up in your face. You have to sometimes poke prod and find the truth to things. but you want exact things only life can show you that and it does Some people do not pay attention cause they are already moving on to the next feel good moment.  Try facing things once in awhile you have to do that to grow

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 11:52:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

not everything is so right up in your face. You have to sometimes poke prod and find the truth to things. but you want exact things only life can show you that and it does Some people do not pay attention cause they are already moving on to the next feel good moment.  Try facing things once in awhile you have to do that to grow


Face what exactly?
The fact that I am happy?
The fact that I am in a relationship where both of us gets exactly what we want?
The fact I am in a relationship where I love someone and am loved in return?

What do you want me to face?

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 11:56:31 AM   
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as all things in life eventually and i mean eventually IT will hit you always does. Life is like that. You either get the lesson or you do not but karma will smack you till you do yep

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 12:09:49 PM   
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as all things in life eventually and i mean eventually IT will hit you always does. Life is like that. You either get the lesson or you do not but karma will smack you till you do yep


But you still can't explain what will hit me, what lesson will I learn.

The simple fact is YOU do not approve of non monogamous relationships. That is fine. Do not become involved in one.

Other people, as people have told you here, do believe in it and are quite happy in those sort of relationships.

If it is not right for you that is your choice but do not denegrate those that are happy in those relationships.

I have no lesson to learn, thank you. The lesson you need to learn is tolerance for others life choices.

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 12:30:23 PM   
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Yes, another one i have witnessed... is those 'Doms/Masters' who will agree to most anything at the start (i.e. monogomy (ok i believe in it, i just can't spell it for shit)... with the full undisclosed knowledge that at some point in time he plans on bringing in a 2nd or 3rd... essentially he has based the entire relationship on a lie.  Now, when said slave/submissive says "ok... As a Master you do not meet all of my needs, so can i have another to fill that?"... the answer is most often than not a resounding 'no'. 

i do not believe that D/s or M/s has to be based upon a double standard.  i do believe there are many involved in D/s or M/s because of the double standard that many seem to allow.

Once again, this isn't a problem of there being a double standard, but that the relationship was based on lies and manipulation.

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 12:36:21 PM   
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Apart from my marraige where I was monogamous all my relationships fter that were open and non commital.  I had no problem with sharing group play etc.  However since Ive been with my boy , who I warned at the start that I would still be playing around,  I cant bare the thought of it.  I couldnt imagine sleepingwith another person now or the thought of him doing that.  I seem to have developed a thing for he is mine and noone else can have him and I just couldnt do it myself either.  I dont feel any less secure in myself or worry he would want someone else, its just what we have feels so special I am selfixh and I dont want to share.

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 12:43:37 PM   
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Play is very sexual for me. And I don't do casual sex well, didn't handle it that well when I was young. I would rather be alone than have meaningless sex with a stranger. I need an emotional connection.

And I think tennis is better with a partner who you are compatible with, at the same level with. Because if they're a rank beginner and you can beat your local tennis pro 3 out of 10, then it won't be a good game for either of you.

Plus, as has been pointed out, you don't get AIDS from a tennis partner.

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 12:48:46 PM   
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Hi,
Back to the OP and the feelings expressed there.  I totally agree.  I have always, and I mean since puberty when I began to think about "boys" and "marriage" and such, felt that limiting ourselves or our loved one to "just you and me" was patently unfiar and unrealistic.  I want Argent in bed with me when he WANTS to be because heWANTS to be, not because some artificial mankind created rule says he HAS to be.  And yes, if he met someone and over time grew to love them so much more than he did me that he wanted them to be his primary or even only relationship, I would be glad and thankful for the many years i had with him.  Would i be sad?  You bet.  But in a selfish way.  I would also be glad that I had given him the room to grow into a person that was not so bound up in societal regulations that he missed out on something else special in this lifetime.  I try to live and each day in a special way that makes what time i have with him special and memorable, i try to make sure he knows how much i love him and how much he means to me.  But I would never try to force or coerce him into staying with me.  In fact, I recently offered to step away if he loved someone more than he loved me and wanted them without me.  I loved him enough to give him that.  He loves me enough to tell me no.
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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 1:11:43 PM   
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Anything I mean anything in sexual in nature is very spirtual for me there for ME no share on anylevel. Some people can do things like drinking beer. Can get screw anyone or anything at a drop of hat. So to them i say get the fuck away.  Less drama less poison. brighter sunny days with out such people yep well worth it .

For me, the bigger drama would be having a relationship with a man who can't think outside his own myopic view.

My partner - if I had one - isn't mine to share. He will be his own person, who can make ethical choices within the bounderies he and I set for our relationship. He and I will be together because we both bring something to the table, offering each other something worth while. Not because we box each other in a corner.

If a man tells me I'm not allowed to play with others, even if he is involved in it - this tells me the man is ruled by his insecurities, I see this as a serious character flaw.

I think everyone has insecurities, but giving into them, allowing the to dom you, is weak.

Just my opinion.



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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 1:19:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: angelic
~fr~ Here's the problem as i see it.  Many times the Dom/Master/Top wants to play with xy and z... but said slave/submissive is only allowed to have him as the "One".  i am of the firm belief that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.  It is one thing if  said slave/submissive does not want another, it is an entirely different thing when the Dom/Master/Top has said specifically 'i will have many, 'you' will have one. 

That's where the whole "Ds = double standard" comes in.  I am perfectly fine with a master setting up an entirely different set of standards for their property than they hold for themselves.  That's kinda what the relationship is based on- one person has authority and the other does not.


Hi LA, you said it well here.  My relationship is fraught with double standards.  I honestly can see it no other way.  He makes the rules, I do not.  He has authority, I do not.  He goes to bed when he wants, I go to bed when he says.  He sleeps on the bed at all times, I sleep where he tells me to.  I serve him, he is served by me but does not serve me.  And so it goes.  He owns me, I do not own him.

Ours is not a dymanic of equal authority.  To further this, his interest in other slaves is not to have another casual play partner, but to have other relationships.  Taking it even further, any other slave of his will not be held to the same standards as me, rather to whatever standards are appropriate for her and where she is mentally/emotionally at the time.  To do otherwise would be unfair.

Now, I was one of the most insecure people you could know back when I first became his.   But all this was told to me up front and I agreed to it, and while it was probably the hardest thing I learned to handle, it has also been the most rewarding, due to where it has taken our relationship.  But, the key to my ability to handle this as I do now was to come to feel totally secure and confident in my place with him.  And I mean totally.  This did not happen quickly - it was a matter of years, and it required effort on both our parts to get here.  Effort well worth it, in retrospect.  Step one was to recover from my insecurity about myself, and my own esteem and self confidence issues that were fed by an abusive marriage.  Therapy helped a lot in that regard.

I don't condem anyone who is insecure.  I lived there myself for a long time.  But in recovering from it, I can see how self-limiting it was, in many ways.

As for the poly/mono double standard - yes we have that in place.  He does what he wants, I do what he says.  He owns me, I do not own him.  I can not fathom it being any other way for us.  Because of who I am and my needs as a slave to him, if he made things "fair and balanced" we would not be thriving together as we are now.

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RE: Alone in my way of thinking? - 10/28/2007 1:28:09 PM   
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I know some people are totally comfortable with it and I congratulate them, I however am not like that. Even though I am in this lifestyle I still would not want the person i'm with screwing the rest of the world, I need to protect myself and with HIV and STD's out there i'm not going to trust someone is always wearing protection or the condom doesnt break. My life is not worth my partner being able to have sex with whoever he wants. And i've always wondered why is it that so many men in this lifestyle are like that? Then I think well there are some that use this lifestyle as a way to be lazy, amoung other things so im sure there are plenty that use this lifestyle as a way to be able to have as much sex as they want. And I love the whole Master can have as much sex with however he wants but you can only have sex with him. I think its hillarious. If one chooses not to thats fine but you have to love the double standard there.
P.S this is not aimed at anyone impaticular just my thoughts and feelings on it.

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