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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 10:21:01 AM

popeye1250

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Pink, I don't think we have any "right" to go through life "not being offended."
"Offended" is one of those "pc" words used to try to control people's speech.
I believe in the First Amendment, and the Second....
It's an immpossible call.
"I disagree totally with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
That's a paraphrase but I think people get the gist.
That's why we allow the KKK, La Raza and other racial hate groups to demonstrate in public.
Now, who called me a "Dumb Mick?'

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 10:26:53 AM

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I personally don't care how others choose to type on a message board. I can ignore it or I can get upset, I see more point in ignoreing it than wasting emotions on being upset by words on a screen.

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\Is this a matter of free speech? Personally i find absolutely no excuse for such language and wish it were subject to moderation.

What do Y/you think?

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 11:10:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Ugly, bigoted, prejudicial, racist, and downright fucking dumb. No namecalling tho

Yup and if they moderate all the posts that have the "N" word, I expect every post that contains the "WT" words to be moderated as well. It doesn't just work in one direction, ya know............luci

Then before you know it they'll be taking 'bitch', 'whore' and 'cunt' away from us.

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 11:12:34 AM

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Shut up, slut. You big titted bitch, why you wanna start a ruckus here?

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 11:40:46 AM

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Firstly, its moronic to take the stance that no-one has the right not to be offended. Of course they do. Families burying dead veterans have a right not to have the funeral services disrupted by Far Right idiots who want to call them "homos" and wave placards.

No-one's rights obviate the rights of others, its pitiful that some walk around under that delusion. Call me a racist name and I'll probably laugh at you. Call my loved ones that name and what if I claim the right to hospitalise you? Call it my freedom of expression - I hate bigots.

The guidelines here ask people to behave with maturity. That means curbing racially offensive language. If you're too much of a petulant child to play nicely, perhaps people should come along and make rules for you.

And don't write here what you lack the courage to say in real life.

Secondly, the real tragedy I believe is that so few people here are prepared to stand up for groups who are slandered on this site. Kudos to those who have. But looking at other sites, which I have as a result of this issue, it seems that this hatred of so-called PC (aka decent manners) is unique to CM. Since it clearly doesn't offer any improvement to discourse that I can discern, I'm curious as to why it so often goes unopposed.

I'm not suggesting for a moment that contentious issues should not be discussed. And you can't ever eliminate all the sad but frankly nutty people. But if threads are abandoned just because the bigots arrive (as this one no doubt soon will be) it does nothing to advance anyone and serves only to alienate many more. Why do so many of you - of whatever background - tolerate the morons here to such an extent?

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 11:44:00 AM

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yes, you've said that before all these pc sites, where do they exist? I have belonged to many groups for many different reasons, and I have yet to see one that is PC.

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 11:50:59 AM

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I've come down with amnesia, I said that before here?

Put it this way, much as I enjoy sparring with such as you ronny old fruit, not too sure I'll continue doing so.

Altogether now, "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh"!

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 12:11:51 PM

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Kudos to those who have. But looking at other sites, which I have as a result of this issue, it seems that this hatred of so-called PC (aka decent manners) is unique to CM. Since it clearly doesn't offer any improvement to discourse that I can discern, I'm curious as to why it so often goes unopposed

Here and I will not dig up the other on the other thread, is what I have old sport. Gi' us a wee joke now, you grand bleeding poofter and tell us how that is wrong.

Ron

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 12:39:12 PM

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And don't write here what you lack the courage to say in real life.

But it is OK for you to twice assert that CM is different from these 'other sites', and then make the BS claim of amnesia when asked what those sites are?

How very brave of you.

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 12:55:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

Firstly, its moronic to take the stance that no-one has the right not to be offended.

No, it's a logical position. Free speech means that- free. Not as long as it's inoffensive- just in general. As smarter people have said, paraphrased, popular speech doesn't need protection.

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks
Call it my freedom of expression - I hate bigots.

You can call it expression- the cops will call it assault. Your rights end when they cause harm to someone else. And before you say it, that doesn't include being "offended." You're pissed off when you're offended, not harmed.

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks
The guidelines here ask people to behave with maturity. That means curbing racially offensive language. If you're too much of a petulant child to play nicely, perhaps people should come along and make rules for you.

No, it means accepting that you'll disagree with some people's opinions and not whining about it. If you don't like what someone says, there's a nice red hand you click that makes them go away.

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks
And don't write here what you lack the courage to say in real life.

I completely agree with you on this point.

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

Secondly, the real tragedy...

When you use the word "tragedy" to describe something on a forum, I tune out. It might be upsetting to you, but it's not a tragedy.

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks
Why do so many of you - of whatever background - tolerate the morons here to such an extent?

Because I don't have the power to make people leave. And because being a moron doesn't negate their right to have an opinion.

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 12:57:44 PM

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IMHO- Anything on these boards is free speech until it directly points at someone *naming* them. Any 21+ man or women who feels the need to make a race targeted thread is 1. Seeking advice or 2.Trying to start crap...However I dont go around day to day using the N word or WT or any other racial slurs, ignorant lonely people generally use them to amuse themselves..the days of using the N word in the same context as it was many years ago is gone...Im not saying racism doesnt exist...but for the most part it either slips through someones lips when amongst acquaintances that share the same view....or it remains in a cowards mind.......long ago one would dare walking through the Bronx using that word or Atlanta with their posse of freshly bleached sheets... but I highly doubt one would be so bold nowadays *winks*...The more we give attention to racism the more we revert back...kinda like feeding a fire...but thats just my opinion

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 2:17:50 PM

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if they get rid of everything that disturbs, offends, makes someone feel as if it is a shot to their gut, etc. etc....wouldnt be a lot more to talk about but the weather.

and heck someone would find earthquakes offensive, or tornados....

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 2:26:07 PM

popeye1250

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I think "Politically Correct" people are "offensive."

Licks, what, you've never been "offended" in your life?
I don't know what the laws are in England but from what I hear it's getting "pc" there to the point of rediculousness.
Don't you guys have the right to "insult the King?"
In the U.S. we're always taught to, "err on the side of Freedom."
People here are real big on their rights.
As for Assholes like the KKK and La Raza I want them out in the open so everyone can see them and know what they stand for!
Most of the time I don't agree with "Owner59" but dammit, he has the sacred right to speak his mind.
In this country anyone can walk the street with a sign all day long that says "BUSH SUCKS" and they have the right to do it!
If they had a sign in 1930's Germany that said "HITLER SUCKS" they'd be shot.
Now, some people may be "Offended" by a "BUSH SUCKS" sign but it's too bad, it's called "protected speech."
We CAN "criticise the King" in this country!

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 2:36:43 PM

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Shut up, slut. You big titted bitch, why you wanna start a ruckus here?

PCMaster

dammit that wasnt to me i know.....but it made me twitch

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 2:57:04 PM

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IMO it depends entirely on the context.
To not be allowed to point out the failings, the obvious in your face failings, of certain racial groups is wrong and paradoxicially does nobody any favours, especially the racial group in question, since it allows them to assume victim status and blame everyone else for their own inadaquacies.

Thus all Liverpudlians are welfare scroungers and hubcap thieves lol
Discuss!

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 3:01:31 PM

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Racial slurring (and slurring because of drinks) is a fact in real life, as are many other things.

Just wondering... if an Irishman, Chinaman, African, American Native, and Arabian all went out together and got rip-roaring drunk... could the end result be considered racial slurring?

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 3:18:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

IMO it depends entirely on the context.
To not be allowed to point out the failings, the obvious in your face failings, of certain racial groups is wrong and paradoxicially does nobody any favours, especially the racial group in question, since it allows them to assume victim status and blame everyone else for their own inadaquacies.

Thus all Liverpudlians are welfare scroungers and hubcap thieves lol
Discuss!

Oh FFS! This shit again?

Seeks, there is far greater variance in character and capability between the individual members within any identifiable "racial group" (if such really exists as an objective and quantifiable description, rather than a convenient category for gross generalisations) than between any one "racial group" and any other "racial group".

Now drop this bullshit line before I come over there, steal a hubcap and beat you with it (on behalf of Liverpudlians everywhere).

That said, it has not escaped notice that while most people on CM are careful not to use skin colour as a term derision, it is still permissible to use body weight (in either extreme) as an unnecessary adjunct to insults - e.g. "And that pathetic, bald, fat dude{the regional manager} needs to be sucker-punched by a few of those customers that were cheated." Substitute the race, religion or colour of your choice for the word "fat" in the previous statement and ask if it would pass muster.

Z.

Edited to clarify - the "fat" quote is from an unrelated CM thread, used purely as an example.

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 3:24:21 PM

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Zensee, the last time I checked it wasn't against the law to "offend" people. God help us if it were.
I only agree with you about half the time but the LAST thing I'd want to see is for you to be censcored. (sp?)

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 3:25:08 PM

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That said, it has not escaped notice that while most people on CM are careful not to use skin colour as a term derision, it is still permissible to use body weight (in either extreme) as an unnecessary adjunct to insults - e.g. "And that pathetic, bald, fat dude{the regional manager} needs to be sucker-punched by a few of those customers that were cheated." Substitute the race, religion or colour of your choice for the word "fat" in the previous statement and ask if it would pass muster.

Hey, leave the bald dudes alone! They can be damn hot!

Now the pathetic ones, they have to find their own cheering section.

Cali

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 3:28:25 PM

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Shut up, slut. You big titted bitch, why you wanna start a ruckus here?

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