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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/15/2007 11:55:43 PM   
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Bloody hell, I am SO glad I live somewhere where people are just black, white, asian or mixed.

edited because I can't spell.

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 12:16:36 AM   
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Um, can someone explain this to me? Aussies don't use the word nigger, the aboriginals are called blacks by most of us, and black cunts by the kind of people who use the word cunt. They even call each other black bastards or black cunts!!

The bit I don't get is it seems to be ok for black people to call each other nigger, as in Yo Mah Nigger, etc., but if whites call black people niggers, it's offensive?

I'm not kidding, I really don't understand.


It's kind of like you and I kidding around calling each other bitch and then some guy walking in and trying to call you bitch, wouldn't fly, at all.  However, it's much worse because of the history with race in our country.  Using the word if you're outside the race is not only an insult it's considered very degredating, inciteful, invoking hatred.  I honestly can't think of any other word in our culture that carries so much negative impact.

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 12:17:38 AM   
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The only problem with the report feature is the mods don't read them until they have unstated number of reports

That's incorrect.  All reported posts get read.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe posts on this side can only be reported once?

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 2:55:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

Bloody hell, I am SO glad I live somewhere where people are just black, white, asian or mixed.



Me too but I do find it strange (though delightful) how beautiful women are more numerous amongst mixed race people.

EDIT  I did read somewhere that the more average the measurements of ones features are, the more beautiful one is considered so maybe that is the key.

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 4:07:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		GoddessMine, love the line about the "victim's olympics" - it's straight out of the neo-con phrasebook to brainwash thick people but it conjures a great mental image - anyway, I hear what you're saying.

More generally, I'd treat with caution the myth of personal freedom in America. I can recall the storm caused by millions of you using UK gambling sites because you aren't allowed them in your country. Different rights and responsibilities evolve everywhere and I don't see any single nation holding bragging rights in that regard. It would, on refelection, be naive to hope that a bdsm board would harbour fewer bigots than any other grouping. Something tells me though, that there ought to be far less acceptance of them here than elsewhere.

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 7:19:21 AM   
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Thank you too mya.

Bloody hell, I am SO glad I live somewhere where people are just black, white, asian or mixed.

edited because I can't spell.


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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 7:41:46 AM   
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Um, can someone explain this to me? Aussies don't use the word nigger, the aboriginals are called blacks by most of us, and black cunts by the kind of people who use the word cunt. They even call each other black bastards or black cunts!!

The bit I don't get is it seems to be ok for black people to call each other nigger, as in Yo Mah Nigger, etc., but if whites call black people niggers, it's offensive?

I'm not kidding, I really don't understand.



Really? So no one uses the term 'abo' in the same manner as the 'N' word where you live?

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 7:59:37 AM   
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Sometimes I think some people thrive on the shit getting stirred up, and do so. That is how I see the OP. All this political correctness bullshit is pushing us all to be the same. Why worry about a derogatory term used by someone else about someone else? This hate speech bullshit is another thing that has gotten out of hand. If someone uses a racial slander, it does not necessarily mean they hate them or that they are a racist. It sometimes means they are pissed and wanting to insult someone. If I call someone an MF, it does not mean I believe that litterally, just that I am attempting to provoke someone.

People need a thicker skin, and more things to do with their life.

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RE: Slurring the words? - 11/16/2007 9:21:54 AM   
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One of my posts was removed because I referenced the actor Fred Williamson's title role in the film "Boss Nigger".

It was the '70s!  Everyone was transgressive back then!



In the 70's?
They didn't use the "N" word back then they used "Spade" like "the ace of spades."

Popeye, it depends on where you lived. The 'N' word was used here back then. Happy to hear you've been working out. We do what we can and at least you are actually doing something!

And: What dcnovice said: It speaks to me also. I believe in speaking my mind, standing up for what I believe in and one of those things is free speach. That also means I open my mouth to educate, enlighten others when I can.
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RE: Slurring the words? - 11/16/2007 9:31:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Am I the only one who thinks people give MORE power to a word by making it a "we must not say it word"... such as "the n word", "the l word", "the-jeeeezus-people-just-say-the-freaking-word word".  Okay, just kidding about that last one.  Do people really think it's okay to say the phrase "the n word" and not the actual word negro, nigger, whatever?  Does it REALLY make it any better, any worse, any thing?

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 9:34:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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Um, can someone explain this to me? Aussies don't use the word nigger, the aboriginals are called blacks by most of us, and black cunts by the kind of people who use the word cunt. They even call each other black bastards or black cunts!!

The bit I don't get is it seems to be ok for black people to call each other nigger, as in Yo Mah Nigger, etc., but if whites call black people niggers, it's offensive?

I'm not kidding, I really don't understand.



Really? So no one uses the term 'abo' in the same manner as the 'N' word where you live?


I had black friends in high school. I talked to them about what you asked above. I was told among other black friends, it was a bonding thing, and acceptable, not considered a slur. My g/fs and I call eachother 'bioaatch, slut,' etc, always done with affection, so I see that as very similar. If a stranger called me any of the things my girlfriends called me, I'd 'turn the other cheek' and swat the one they were displaying!
 
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RE: Slurring the words? - 11/16/2007 11:50:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: YesMistressIrish

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ORIGINAL: ThomasMore

One of my posts was removed because I referenced the actor Fred Williamson's title role in the film "Boss Nigger".

It was the '70s!  Everyone was transgressive back then!



In the 70's?
They didn't use the "N" word back then they used "Spade" like "the ace of spades."

Popeye, it depends on where you lived. The 'N' word was used here back then. Happy to hear you've been working out. We do what we can and at least you are actually doing something!

And: What dcnovice said: It speaks to me also. I believe in speaking my mind, standing up for what I believe in and one of those things is free speach. That also means I open my mouth to educate, enlighten others when I can.
Pastor Niemoeller,

Irish


Irish, yup, I just got back from the Gym a while ago and there were quite a few seniors there!
I'm 56 but I don't think of myself as a "Senior" because I could kick all of their asses! Fuckin' Buick drivers! "Get out of the way Granny!"

That Pastor Niemoeller thing may make some people feel all warm and fuzzy but it just wouldn't apply in the U.S. with all the guns and Militias that we have here.
I mean we have a LOT of Very Heavily Armed people in this country! lol
If we ever had something like a Nazi invaision people would make killing them a national sport!
"And in Sports,...... South Carolina just pulled ahead of North Carolina in the "Nazi Killing Contest!"
"We got those dickheads running up to Massatusetts to hide under the apron of the ACLU!"

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 12:18:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

Bloody hell, I am SO glad I live somewhere where people are just black, white, asian or mixed.



Me too but I do find it strange (though delightful) how beautiful women are more numerous amongst mixed race people.

EDIT  I did read somewhere that the more average the measurements of ones features are, the more beautiful one is considered so maybe that is the key.


That's a common misconception and a stereotype. Positive or not, it's a constricting label. Let Me take you to the Bay Area, the mecca of mixed and hapa kids, and you'll see all the uglies, or even worse, how NORMAL and plain they look.

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 4:15:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		rights, no matter what they are...freedom of speech or the right to flail your arms about, end where another person's rights begin....freedom of speech ends when it harms another person....ie, falsely yelling "fire" in a movie theatre or lying in court....the right to flailing your arms about ends where my body begins...when you hit me, it becomes assault....

that being said...this is a private site and you have no rights, you have privalleges....you get to say what you get to say because they allow you to say it...ask the people who have been moderated....ask the people who have been permanently banned....

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 6:33:04 PM   
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Ranger, could she be,............."a guilty white person?"


Popeye :  I haven't a clue as to the post/thread they/she is talking about. I never even ''peeked in'' on the bounty hunter thread.

You know mainstream network television bores the shit outa me. Hell....I saw that story come off the wire.....and immeaditely thought of it as just another ploy to dumb us down and take our minds off Iraq /Iran and our wonderful, out-sourced, service wage economy 





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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 6:56:13 PM   
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There's a disturbing (to me) post on a thread here that repeatedly uses racial slurs including the "n word".  Other slurs against other minorities are also used.  Does such language violate the CM TOS (thinking of the prohibition against harrassing speech)?  Do the mods ever remove such posts or close threads because of them?
 
Is this a matter of free speech?  Personally i find absolutely no excuse for such language and wish it were subject to moderation.
 
What do Y/you think?


A couple of notes.

-Free speech is not on CM.  (Perhaps most clearly explemified in the ToS and the consistent issue of trying not to offend the delicate sensibilities of some posters and moderators.)

-"Nigger" isn't a word that we're supposed to say here, I think.  I'm not entirely sure.  It keeps changing.  Seems that, in the gentlest of contexts, it changes.  Also, if you're black, it's normally okay, regardless of context, so long as it's not blantantly malicious.

-"Cracker" is a term I've never seen one criticized for using.

-I think the whole thing's stupid.  Nigger, cracker, whatever the hell other racial slurs are.. bah.  People need to grow up and stop taking words so seriously.  I've seen degenerates get in major fights over a couple of stupid, meaningless words that any sensible individual wouldn't have even paid attention to long enough to give half a damn.

-To be fair, I tend to find people as overly emotional and prone to mellow drama.  Therefore, I'm unsure as to how many share my personal view on the irrelevance of racial slurs.  I suppose those that feel that the words actually have meaning will be far more prone to care about the words.

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-Doesn't it strike anyone else as utterly patronizing to call it "the 'N' word"?  It strikes me as sort of like saying, "Well, you're so senstive to a word, that I'm going to refer to it like I'm talking to children as to not risk hurting your easily bruised skin."  After all, what better way to show someone that you respect someone than to refer to words around them in the most patronizing manner possible?

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 7:39:45 PM   
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It funny how a word that means "friend" has turned into an offensive racial slur that generalizes the people of India and Pakistan. However, I've yet to find a person from India or Pakistan who takes offense to being called Habeeb.

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 7:57:04 PM   
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A couple of notes.

-Free speech is not on CM.  (Perhaps most clearly explemified in the ToS and the consistent issue of trying not to offend the delicate sensibilities of some posters and moderators.)

-"Nigger" isn't a word that we're supposed to say here, I think.  I'm not entirely sure.  It keeps changing.  Seems that, in the gentlest of contexts, it changes.  Also, if you're black, it's normally okay, regardless of context, so long as it's not blantantly malicious.

-"Cracker" is a term I've never seen one criticized for using.

-I think the whole thing's stupid.  Nigger, cracker, whatever the hell other racial slurs are.. bah.  People need to grow up and stop taking words so seriously.  I've seen degenerates get in major fights over a couple of stupid, meaningless words that any sensible individual wouldn't have even paid attention to long enough to give half a damn.

-To be fair, I tend to find people as overly emotional and prone to mellow drama.  Therefore, I'm unsure as to how many share my personal view on the irrelevance of racial slurs.  I suppose those that feel that the words actually have meaning will be far more prone to care about the words.

PS-

-Doesn't it strike anyone else as utterly patronizing to call it "the 'N' word"?  It strikes me as sort of like saying, "Well, you're so senstive to a word, that I'm going to refer to it like I'm talking to children as to not risk hurting your easily bruised skin."  After all, what better way to show someone that you respect someone than to refer to words around them in the most patronizing manner possible?


Some quick thoughts to your post: I, and many others around Me, criticize the usage of "cracker" when used in a hurtful manner. But that's just it - hurtful. Very rarely (in fact, none) do I feel violence reverberated with 'cracker' as opposed to 'nigger'.

I agree with you on a certain level - words are just ink on paper, on a screen. Barthes teaches us to see the beauty in just that. But it's human nature to attach symbols and significance to words, and though we can actively ascribe meaning to words on our own, and in our own way, that won't change how words are universally understood.

Nigger is a word - but people have been denied housing - have been killed - because of this word.

I feel that saying "n-word" isn't patronizing. It recognizes the painful history that is attached to the actual word. It's also a way of gauging what others are comfortable with. I suppose one can argue that that kind of logic is constricting on our freedom of speech, but it's My choice to be sensitive to the histories of other communities of color.

Was that patronizing?

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 8:29:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, for when "cracker" is used in a hurtful manner.  I suppose that may be a difference.  I've never heard "cracker" or "nigger" used in a hurtful manner from anyone whose existence I've cared for.

I fully respect the view that words, in and of themselves, are all pretty much meaningless; it's the attached meaning that carries the effect.  Also, I'll admit that lacking experience in any culture that even cares about such a word, I'm perhaps ignorant to the impact that such words can carry.  However, one may have to explain to me how it is that such a word can maintain such an effect to races with them.

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RE: Racial Slurs on the CM Boards - 11/16/2007 8:36:08 PM   
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Nigger is a word - but people have been denied housing - have been killed - because of this word.

I feel that saying "n-word" isn't patronizing. It recognizes the painful history that is attached to the actual word. It's also a way of gauging what others are comfortable with. I suppose one can argue that that kind of logic is constricting on our freedom of speech, but it's My choice to be sensitive to the histories of other communities of color.

Was that patronizing?

Love,
GM


At some point a cultural group has to stop being a victim. People have been killed for many reasons. A word only has as much power as people are willing to give it. On a side note, when I lived in the city of Atlanta, I had "Kracker" spray painted on my door. I took a sharpie and put the word Graham over it. I never felt threatened really, but I also owned several firearms that were always a step away, had a new york lock on the door. I got along well with most of my neighbors, with the exception of some black youths that seemed to have a chip on their shoulder, but even that was smoothed over when I opened the back of my SUV one day and played Tupac with quad 10's thumping.

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