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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 1:38:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

With such harsh judgements on another man, I figure it's at least fair to mention that I have my own little dark place that I can and have gone a few times, particularly in scenarios where I am being bullied, physically overpowered, or feeling weak/helpless. Blood-red, murderous, pure, bone breaking and head slamming rage where I am capable of doing things to a human being that I never thought I had it in to do. It's something I am aware of and even fear about myself when the right catalysts start to happen and I feel that energy boiling up inside of me.

Edited to Add : What scares me the most is how much I like it. The same feeling of bliss I get when I am in sadist mode is the same feeling I get when I go there...only 100 times stronger.


MR, I think that may be at least part of why guys die sooner.
 
Someone I care for just got out of an abusive relationship. The guy choked her until she passed out before he left. All I have to do is picture him doing that, and.... well, it enabled me to learn some things about myself.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 1:40:09 PM   
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i used to seek out those with an aura of violence..in my teens and early 20s....i think it was part of my life lessons while i sought out a Dominant....this only led to abuse.

Just to clarify, i wasn't actively seeking a dominant at the time (had no clue) but it was a similar mindset to what i was seeking in a dominant....its such a thin little line between control and violence and until i was able to experience the awful part of it i couldn't distinguish between what i was seeking and a vanilla abusive guy.

Alot of the same character traits are present in what i found and what i was really looking for.....The only issue was some of the important things were missing in the violent guys and the violence is missing in guys like my Daddy....Things like self-esteem, honor,self-restraint to name a couple were the missing components.



That's a very insightful post.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 1:42:09 PM   
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Blood-red, murderous, pure, bone breaking and head slamming rage where I am capable of doing things to a human being that I never thought I had it in to do. It's something I am aware of and even fear about myself when the right catalysts start to happen and I feel that energy boiling up inside of me.

Edited to Add : What scares me the most is how much I like it. The same feeling of bliss I get when I am in sadist mode is the same feeling I get when I go there...only 100 times stronger.


I am astounded. When a slave tells you that get to that same place, but from a mindset of passion, trust, love, obedience and respect, you say it's impossible and they are mental but it's all possible when it's from blood-red out of control rage .. and, you like it and you go there!

I am, truly, astounded.

Celeste

edited to add: I apologize for the highjack, Level. I'm still picking my jaw up off the floor.


No problem, Celeste; good to see you

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 1:44:37 PM   
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Blood-red, murderous, pure, bone breaking and head slamming rage where I am capable of doing things to a human being that I never thought I had it in to do. It's something I am aware of and even fear about myself when the right catalysts start to happen and I feel that energy boiling up inside of me.

Edited to Add : What scares me the most is how much I like it. The same feeling of bliss I get when I am in sadist mode is the same feeling I get when I go there...only 100 times stronger.


I am astounded. When a slave tells you that get to that same place, but from a mindset of passion, trust, love, obedience and respect, you say it's impossible and they are mental but it's all possible when it's from blood-red out of control rage .. and, you like it and you go there!

I am, truly, astounded.

Celeste



I am not sure what you are referring to. I imagine it's probably whatever spin off a "No Limits" argument you are paraphrasing.

If that be the case, I don't quite understand. If I remember right, your the one who specifically mentioned irrational states of the mind being germane to "limits". I guess that is only the case when your in an irrational state of mind that makes you enforce boundaries, instead of breaking.

Murdering someone is and always will be a boundary for me. It is a boundary because by committing the act, I will suffer mental and psychological (as well as severe spiritual) harm for doing it.

Crossing this boundary in a state of rage doesn't mean this boundary doesn't exist. It means that I crossed a boundary that should not have been crossed ever and because of this, I would spent a very long time in a state of emotional and mental guilt, despair and regret. An experience that would probably deeply change me for the rest of my life because of my own sense of morality that requires enforcing boundaries to maintain.

Whether good or bad, it's there and it scares me because it could one day push me to crossing a boundary that will poignantly affect me for the rest of my life.

Perhaps because when I was 17 and in a deep state of depression and attempted to do something that was quite stupid, I don't have a boundary against killing myself. On the contary, I do have one and by crossing that boundary, I suffered serious trama that also has taken me a long time to get over.

Much like the "Feelings of Worthlessness" thread you wrote along time ago where you confessed to a mentally unhealthy state that pushed you to do things you found to be disqusting, repulsive and traumatizing.

Just because people can do things in extraordinary situations doesn't mean the things should be done. It's why I define those things as boundaries.

But...hey...how about we keep this on topic and not turn this into a thread for arguments against people not having any boundaries that are nothing sort of being completely silly.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 1:52:39 PM   
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Taken the way you mostly seem to be taking it, I would agree with your assessment of "aura of violence" as a bad thing. It seems that the masses are defining it as a barely contained undercurrent of rage. Definitely not good.

On the other hand, I did originally agree with Irish Mist that it is an attractive quality. Because when she said "aura of violence" I read it as that subtle quality that makes you think he (or she) might be capable of some very wicked and pleasant things, despite their outward appearence. I like to know my partner is not all peaches and cream. I like that twisted dark streak that winds it's way through an intelligent mind. And it makes me all squishy when I can sense it, even before I see it.

Is it everything I look for in a partner? No. But it definitely gets the ol' motor running.

Maybe IM can let us know what she actually meant.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 1:58:36 PM   
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Taken the way you mostly seem to be taking it, I would agree with your assessment of "aura of violence" as a bad thing. It seems that the masses are defining it as a barely contained undercurrent of rage. Definitely not good.

On the other hand, I did originally agree with Irish Mist that it is an attractive quality. Because when she said "aura of violence" I read it as that subtle quality that makes you think he (or she) might be capable of some very wicked and pleasant things, despite their outward appearence. I like to know my partner is not all peaches and cream. I like that twisted dark streak that winds it's way through an intelligent mind. And it makes me all squishy when I can sense it, even before I see it.

Is it everything I look for in a partner? No. But it definitely gets the ol' motor running.

Maybe IM can let us know what she actually meant.


I hope she does; I certainly don't want to put a spin on what she intended, as I don't know what it is.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 1:59:58 PM   
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Doesn't work for me. Aura of violence translates to anger management problems. Been there, bought the tee shirt, never again.

Ditto!  I was married for over 11 years to a man who had a bit more than an "aura" of violence.  He actually WAS violent.  It was a bad-boy quality that I found appealing at first until the violence came out, was directed at me, and was absolutely unnecessary.  I quickly learned to loathe that same bad-boy "aura" I had found hot in the beginning.  The fantasy of it was cool.  The reality sucked big time and I wasted many years of my life tolerating it and trying to "fix" it.  I'll leave the aura of violence to some other poor, misled folks who want to see what it's like.  They may enjoy it.  I did not..................luci

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 2:00:55 PM   
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Doesn't work for me. Aura of violence translates to anger management problems. Been there, bought the tee shirt, never again.


I would rather agree with this....

I do not think being able to be violent as being attractive.

That being said, I like knowing my man will not back down to those attempting to bully him


Hi julia. Okay, let's say he's confronted by a couple of punks, and he beats them down. Is there any attraction there, or simply a matter of being glad he was able to do so?



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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 2:02:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

The power to create, the power to defend, the power to protect, is at times indistinguishable from the power to destroy.

Perhaps, for some, "violence" equates to "power".


I believe so, too.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 2:03:48 PM   
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I do think there's a great difference between the ability to utilize violence when provoked or necessary and the persistent presence of chaos that the expression "aura of violence" invokes.


Interesting, treasure.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 2:08:42 PM   
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I have two lines of thought regarding this thread.  Bear with me (or bare with me, whatever suits your fancy, heh) as I attempt to channel these thoughts into words that might somehow be comprehendable.

Re: the aura of violence.  I can't say I feel that, or that I am attracted to it.  I remember when first trying to explain my "kinky sex" feelings to my ex husband, he made a comment (aside from telling me I was mentally ill, selfish, etc.) that I see sex as something violent, and he doesn't. 

He was wrong (about many things, but hey that's an entirely different subject).  Violence, to me, is an intent to bring damage to another.  It goes back to what LA and others say on these boards - an ACT is neither dominant nor submissive.  It is the intent behind the act.  In other words, a face slap can come from a violent place (anger, ill feelings, frustration, to cause anguish to the recipient), it can also come from a place of domination and power (eroticism, lust, power, control). 

I have an inherent magnetic pull toward the power, and a complete disdain toward the voilence.

Having said that, I have to admit, truly in due respect Mad Rabbit, that I was also surprised to see what you have written.  You & I have had disagreements on these boards, and not always amiable ones, I admit.  I assure you this does not come from a place of antagonism, and I hope you receive it as such.

What I see in your posts is a man who struggles with this very dark nature within.  Who has a near hatred in judgment of a man who, from what I am seeing (admitting my perception may be incorrect but it's what I see in your words), demonstrates himself as being something that you find inside of yourself - something dark, violent, seductive, "wrong", and alluring).  Perhaps you have such disdain for him because you haven't come to terms with this same entity within.

Mind you, I'm truly not trying to play armchair shrink; I am recognizing a similar process that I once went through myself.  I could be all wrong here.  But I am moved to write, so here I am.

Perhaps this is why you have reacted so strongly to the posts of some slaves, myself included?  I believe you have implied before that my mental state may not be healthy, because of things I have written about.  But really, what I have written is the extreme opposite of where you seem to be coming from here; I've just expressed it differently.  Having come to terms with such an extreme darkness within me, I can easily say that yes, I can actually see myself going to such places that some would deem as "unhealthy", but those places are not enticed by violence - they are enticed by a perhaps "abnormally extreme" connection with the man I call my Master...knowing he can tap into that dark place in me to a point which I could most certainly "go there."  Being a responsible owner, he does not take me too far, and therefore he does not take me to such "unhealthy places."

Such a mindset, however, is a very difficult place to explain, and so those of us who go there have a lot of difficulty bringing others to understand it, without thinking we are somehow mentally ill (not pointing solely at you here, MR, it's come from many sources). 

But on the outset, not understanding where you are coming from, one could read your post as a stand alone post, without even knowing who posted it, and might come to the same conclusion, yes?

And now I have written a whole lot, and I apologize as I do not want to bring this thread to an "All About MadRabbit" place.  But what can I say - when the spirit is inspired to write, it writes.  And I assure you this is all about trying to understand and making an effort to bring you to understand the dark places I sometimes write from, in such "no limits" type of threads.  But this isn't about No Limits, MadRabbit.  It's about acknowledging that "dark place" within, and understanding where it might move a person and where it might take a person.

And so I offer these thoughts with a sincere invitation for you to consider them and think about them, whether or not you wish to respond, here or on the other side.

I know this was long, and I thank those who had the patience to read it.  I am processing and understanding some things within myself as I write, and it's been good for me to lay this all out here.  I have a new understanding for those who might put a "mentally ill" judgment on me and others, because I realize where the depth of my own inner seduction is, and how absurd it may appear to others.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 2:19:04 PM   
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I understand that appeal. I know what sadism is.

It's pure power. The power to twist and change-to control reactions. The power to do something that someone else doesn't like-with no reciprocation. It's selfish and it's greedy-and no amount of fluffly theology is going to strip it of the raw power inherent in it.

Don't tell me that none of you have ever wondered what it would be like to push the button.

To watch as the center exploded,and everything come tumbling down into chaos and ruin. Humans are predatory in nature. We killed to survive in the past. Our hands were bloody and we exhulted in the death that gave us life. It's hard wired-a pure survival instinct. One that we shy away from these days. We have others do our killing for us-and deliver our victims up in neat, bloodless little packets. We have forgotten our past, and it confuses us.

But the wolf is still there down deep. In the men and women who get aroused by inflicting suffering. That those who follow them. The women who get wet hearing a harley going down the road. Who squirm at the thought of the evil that they can have unleashed upon them-and the arousal at feeling helpless before it. The ones who want to mate with wolves-because the wolves survived-by devouring the sheep.

I know, I am not confused.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 2:22:55 PM   
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To watch as the center exploded,and everything come tumbling down into chaos and ruin. Humans are predatory in nature. We killed to survive in the past. Our hands were bloody and we exhulted in the death that gave us life. It's hard wored-a pure survival instinct. One that we shy away from these days. We have others do our killing for us-and deliver our victims up in neat, bloodless little packets.



LOVED your post - all of it.  Particularly loved the bolded sentence above, although for me the rebuilding part is the ultimate sweetness.  You perfectly described (the center exploding and everything coming tumbling down) where he brings me.  But he also brings me back each time.  Awesome post!

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 2:23:13 PM   
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Okay, you kinda lost me with the "Harley" part.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 2:27:08 PM   
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Doesn't work for me. Aura of violence translates to anger management problems. Been there, bought the tee shirt, never again.


I would rather agree with this....

I do not think being able to be violent as being attractive.

That being said, I like knowing my man will not back down to those attempting to bully him


Hi julia. Okay, let's say he's confronted by a couple of punks, and he beats them down. Is there any attraction there, or simply a matter of being glad he was able to do so?




Simply glad he was able to. I cringe at violence.

My Daddy acts like a "bad violent man" when he does his mock assailant stuff. I have had a workshop that another mock assailant besides him, and found that it was an exhillerating feeling to kick the crap out of someone that I could not hurt. I knew I could not hurt the mock assailant though.

The first time I went to a demonstration in which I saw my Daddy being a mock assailant it was highly emotional for me, because the things he did in his suit are things he would not do otherwise, and even though he was saying mean things and grabbing women, I had this desire to get up and kick the crap out of women that were kicking the crap out of him... not to mention I worried every time he fell down (his falling down was part of the demonstration yet looked quite much like he was injured). So, as someone that actually is involved with someone that uses the aura of violence as part of his work, I have to say it is not what appeals about him... but I respect him doing what he does.

I feel more safe with him physically than I ever have with a man. Any aura he has about him comes from knowing how to move, that confident movement that comes with years of martial arts training, having a third degree black belt, which takes an immense amount of physical control over oneself. That is what appeals to me, it is not the aura of violence, it is the aura that no matter what he has prepared himself as much as he can to meet that challenge... which is something he tries to prepare those he loves the most to do also. His UMs have taken classes, I have taken one, and I will take more... because he desires to prepare me for what happens if I encounter someone that is violent...

I do not believe he makes a good target for violent people because they sense that he is prepared, and that makes him very attractive to me. The control over himself, to pick his fights carefully and refusing to get involved in any exchange when he is upset emotionally speaking... he just does not do that.

Like I said, real violence is something that makes me squicked.. I cannot handle being around violence. I was not raised with violence, and Daddy knows this is part of the reason there is no drama with me. There are people that crave this, perhaps from an unhealthy place because they come from violent homes....

Like I said, his control makes me feel safe....

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 2:31:04 PM   
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I understand that appeal. I know what sadism is.

It's pure power. The power to twist and change-to control reactions. The power to do something that someone else doesn't like-with no reciprocation. It's selfish and it's greedy-and no amount of fluffly theology is going to strip it of the raw power inherent in it.

Don't tell me that none of you have ever wondered what it would be like to push the button.

To watch as the center exploded,and everything come tumbling down into chaos and ruin. Humans are predatory in nature. We killed to survive in the past. Our hands were bloody and we exhulted in the death that gave us life. It's hard wired-a pure survival instinct. One that we shy away from these days. We have others do our killing for us-and deliver our victims up in neat, bloodless little packets. We have forgotten our past, and it confuses us.

But the wolf is still there down deep. In the men and women who get aroused by inflicting suffering. That those who follow them. The women who get wet hearing a harley going down the road. Who squirm at the thought of the evil that they can have unleashed upon them-and the arousal at feeling helpless before it. The ones who want to mate with wolves-because the wolves survived-by devouring the sheep.

I know, I am not confused.


An amazing post. One of the things I love most about power is being consummed by it .. it goes beyond mating with the wolf (that too!) to the final act of being devoured. I want both, all .. over and over again. I think it may be why I have such an affinity for blood .. bloodless bores me.

Thank you for the word snack. It was most satisfying!

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 2:41:05 PM   
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Okay, you kinda lost me with the "Harley" part.


Look.

The most annoying thing I find about many "doms" is that they throttle back thier own ability to feel the primal aspects so much-that they come across as dry pedagogs.  I prefer to let go of enough of the "I have a rod up my ass" self control to be able to feel.
 
 Maybe that sort of thing makes fearful women feel "safe"-and if it does, that's fine for them.. I understand pedestals too-it's about a bottom controlling the top'
s thoughts. In general, I can decide where a reasonable line lies. I keep to one side of it out of a sense of self preservation. But a big part of the appeal is to see how close to it you can come-without breaking anything beyond repair. And men who fear taking chances-and always play it safe.....will never understand that appeal.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 2:43:49 PM   
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I understand that appeal. I know what sadism is.

It's pure power. The power to twist and change-to control reactions. The power to do something that someone else doesn't like-with no reciprocation. It's selfish and it's greedy-and no amount of fluffly theology is going to strip it of the raw power inherent in it.

Don't tell me that none of you have ever wondered what it would be like to push the button.

To watch as the center exploded,and everything come tumbling down into chaos and ruin. Humans are predatory in nature. We killed to survive in the past. Our hands were bloody and we exhulted in the death that gave us life. It's hard wired-a pure survival instinct. One that we shy away from these days. We have others do our killing for us-and deliver our victims up in neat, bloodless little packets. We have forgotten our past, and it confuses us.

But the wolf is still there down deep. In the men and women who get aroused by inflicting suffering. That those who follow them. The women who get wet hearing a harley going down the road. Who squirm at the thought of the evil that they can have unleashed upon them-and the arousal at feeling helpless before it. The ones who want to mate with wolves-because the wolves survived-by devouring the sheep.

I know, I am not confused.


An amazing post. One of the things I love most about power is being consummed by it .. it goes beyond mating with the wolf (that too!) to the final act of being devoured. I want both, all .. over and over again. I think it may be why I have such an affinity for blood .. bloodless bores me.

Thank you for the word snack. It was most satisfying!

Celeste


Celeste, does that jibe in any way of the "aura of violence" thing? Sounds like it could.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 2:45:55 PM   
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I understand that appeal. I know what sadism is.

It's pure power. The power to twist and change-to control reactions. The power to do something that someone else doesn't like-with no reciprocation. It's selfish and it's greedy-and no amount of fluffly theology is going to strip it of the raw power inherent in it.

Don't tell me that none of you have ever wondered what it would be like to push the button.

To watch as the center exploded,and everything come tumbling down into chaos and ruin. Humans are predatory in nature. We killed to survive in the past. Our hands were bloody and we exhulted in the death that gave us life. It's hard wired-a pure survival instinct. One that we shy away from these days. We have others do our killing for us-and deliver our victims up in neat, bloodless little packets. We have forgotten our past, and it confuses us.

But the wolf is still there down deep. In the men and women who get aroused by inflicting suffering. That those who follow them. The women who get wet hearing a harley going down the road. Who squirm at the thought of the evil that they can have unleashed upon them-and the arousal at feeling helpless before it. The ones who want to mate with wolves-because the wolves survived-by devouring the sheep.

I know, I am not confused.


Wow. That was amazing. And that is why the aura of violence is so appealing to many women, because of these above thoughts, very insightful.

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RE: Aura of violence - 12/25/2007 2:47:05 PM   
juliaoceania


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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

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Okay, you kinda lost me with the "Harley" part.


Look.

The most annoying thing I find about many "doms" is that they throttle back thier own ability to feel the primal aspects so much-that they come across as dry pedagogs.  I prefer to let go of enough of the "I have a rod up my ass" self control to be able to feel.
 
 Maybe that sort of thing makes fearful women feel "safe"-and if it does, that's fine for them.. I understand pedestals too-it's about a bottom controlling the top'
s thoughts. In general, I can decide where a reasonable line lies. I keep to one side of it out of a sense of self preservation. But a big part of the appeal is to see how close to it you can come-without breaking anything beyond repair. And men who fear taking chances-and always play it safe.....will never understand that appeal.


Now I am lost

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