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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 7:31:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NewMaster86

As a sub/slave (which I am neither) how important is it to you to be attracted to your Dom/Master physically?

I only ask because I feel as though I've been judged alot on my appearance by what few sub's I've approached and its been really bothering me.


You have been seeking under this screen name only a month, that is not a long time, and from what I have read on these boards it is common to have subs not respond. The reasons are 10 fold as to why they do not, but one of the biggest reasons is the amount of email submissives receive.

I would also ask if you used looks as a criteria for the few submissives that you felt compelled to approach. Because if you are using that standard to approach women, you cannot be surprised when they do the same as you. Of course attraction is important.It is usually even more important to the youngish than those who are older in my experience.

The above being said I do not believe looks are your problem, I believe the negativity in your profile is where you are finding your troubles as far as things that you can change to help you in your search. I think it may help you if you realize young doms often have trouble finding submissives... there is a bias against youth in dominants sometimes.


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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 7:35:58 AM   
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i fully admit that on occassion, i can have a pretty crappy self-esteem. this tends to make me a little bit paranoid at times in terms of being 'good enough' for a Dominant i'm with. i actually had a Dominant tell me once that i was exactly what He was looking for except i was too fat. talk about a blow to ones ego. "I like everything about you....except for you."

Anyways, i was having a slight pitty party for myself the evening before my first Master was going to come over to my house and play with myself and my roommate/best friend. She is a 6' tall goddess and well...i'm me hehehe. I was telling Him about how much He'd love playing with her because she was so beautiful and He said to me:
"I don't care about looks. I've fucked enough beautiful women. What I care about, is control."
Now coming from anyone else, I might have been horribly hurt by those words, but coming from Him it was exactly what I needed to hear. And we all had a great time when He got there too. His cock went soft the second she retracted her submission to Him (He was to intense for her) and got rock hard the second i was at His feet. Made me feel like the most gorgeous girl walkin' the face of the earth.

Anyways...here's my point. Not everyone is focused on looks (as another side note, I never saw my first Master's face until after I'd signed my slavery contract with Him...long story, great story, but long). I adored and submitted greatfully to my Master before I ever knew what a complete hunk He was. And He adored me not because i was a super model, but because I supplied Him with His ultimate aphrodisiac....complete and total control.

i personally, seek out intellect before physical looks. And while I fully admit i'll be ga-ga over a gorgeous guy, if He can't stimulate my mind, I could care less what he looks like.

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 7:41:36 AM   
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The seductive thing is that the closer you get to someone, the more interesting they usually are.


And attractive.

Physical attraction plays a part in all relationships to a point, but a mental connection to a person creates stronger physical attraction. 

Personally, I don't think that most people are unattractive unless they allow themselves to be.  I'm more attracted to presentation then to genetics.

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 8:51:51 AM   
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i am a person who goes on intellect first, for me sometimes physical attraction grows from intellectual stimulation. i have been with some guys when at first i didn't think they were good looking at all but when i got to know them i found them more appealing and very attractive.
It all boils down to the indivual though and different strokes for different folks.it all boils down to what is attractive to the person, and it's not just a sub thing its a people thing
Sadly most people do base things on looks, especially online where it is easy to forget someone even existed or is a real person behind the screen. But hopefully you will find someone interested in you and what you have to offer. Good luck

-bobcat (only speaking for myself)


I have to agree with this. Intellect and style of dominance can certainly overcome any physical shortcomings for me. The trick here is finding someone whose physical appearance is not so off-putting that you actually stick around long enough to get to know them. Two of the most satisfying relationships I've had in my life were with people I was not initially physically attracted to. This is where I think the internet plays a big part in connecting people who might not otherwise find each other. The spoken word can be very powerful for people who value intelligence. A connection can be made that would preclude physical attraction, to a degree.

However, I cannot discount the sentiments of Aileen1968 either. In real life day-to-day interactions with people, physical attraction is often the first filter.

If someone is both ugly and stupid, I think they're fucked (not literally, though).

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 9:45:26 AM   
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I won't say physical attraction isn't IMPORTANT because I think for most people it is. However, the degree of importance varies. My intial "attraction filter" only consists of

A)does he have decent teeth (not great, just decent...)
B)is he so morbidly obese he can't function in day to day life. (I am technically obese myself, and I actually like heavy guys...but I don't want one that's confined to a power chair or who can't go for  walk through the zoo....)
C)does he appear clean and well kept

That's all it takes to get you in the door really. If you meet those criteria, physically then I'll give you a shot at meeting my mental criteria/lifestyle criteria which are far, far more severe.

Don't get me wrong...being gorgeous will earn you bonus points. But being "plain" or "homely" won't disqualify you either. I've met plenty of plain looking guys who magically become more attractive as my mental attraction to them grew.

Another thing to remember is that everyone is attracted to different things. Some women like muscle-bound gym rats. Me, I can't stand that kind. They look fake. I'll give them a CHANCE if I'm approached by one, but he's sitting in minus points before he ever opens his mouth because I've already pegged him as shallow and vain. He's going to have to disprove my stereotype before I'll take him serious as an intelligent human being. So whether or not you're "attractive" is highly subjective. My ex-dom was 5ft7, 320lbs, 38yrs old, and going bald. And I thought he was the sexiest thing alive. So it just depends on the person.

Personally I think you're an attractive guy (though way too young for my personal tastes, and that's going to hurt you in the BDSM community.) I know that I tend to see guys under 25 as kids (and I'm not quite 25 myself actually.) I don't even notice them. Guys under 30 don't catch my attention really quickly either, unless they seem to be really exceptional individuals.




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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 9:50:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NewMaster86
As a sub/slave (which I am neither) how important is it to you to be attracted to your Dom/Master physically?

To Me it's importent, as well as a spiritual click as well as intellectual, to be atracted to the other one.
and No am not picky!

*EG*

*now where is that needle...*

Warm Greetingz,

and oh yeah.. patience is a good one to have..!

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<oh I forgot, am not a sub!>


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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 10:07:56 AM   
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NewMaster,
A gorgeous guy without the insides to match becomes unattractive very quickly to me.

That said.. You have mail..

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 10:54:54 AM   
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There has to be some attraction in every relationship, except a prodomme one and then its not you they are interested in. 
Just be yourself, be positive and enjoy what life has to offer.  There are those attracted to everyone including you, me and everyone who has posted before and those still to post.  Don't sweat it.  Be active in the r/t.  Meet people and have fun.  Carry yourself well and with confidence.  Most attractive quality of all.  Hygiene is always well thought of as well.  At least a pet peeve of mine.  If you don't show self repect for yourself, who can you expect anyone else to respect you.
If you feel there are changes you need to make in your life, then do it.  Make the changes.  Its all self control and discipline, kind of like what we are all about.  I haven't eatten fast food in nine months, and have recently given up all sodas.  Very easy to drive by Mcdonalds and Burger King now, don't think twice about it.  My vice though is coffee and tea, I have no desire to pass up a good cup of either.  Whatever changes in life you wish to make, its up to you.  What will make you feel good about yourself.  Lose some weight, quit smoking or drinking, better yourself.  The only one that is stopping you is you.  Do what needs done, walk tall and confident in yourself and you will ooze attractiveness.
Have fun and enjoy life as well, Grow through new experiences in life.  The world is a beautiful place and there is a lot of it you can see.  Sure its not all glamorous and exciting, but its something new to you so get out there and make it happen.  Thnigs I have tried this year include mountain biking, yoga and meditation and I enjoy all ot them.  I have strolled the streets of Key West and St Augustine.  I have seen the sunrise on the beach and welcomed a new day as well as seen it set and welcomed in the evening.  Life is up to you.  What could make you more attractive then growing as a person and living life to its fullest.  Nothing excites me as much as a woman who wants to live and have fun doing it.
whew, sorry for the overload, got a little out of control but had fun reminding myself why I have to get off the computer and go workout even though my body is saying it'll be alright, just put on another cup of spicy red tea and relax.   So basically it comes down to you.  How attractive do you find yourself?  What can you do about it?  Its all on you and like a friend once told me, its easy to stay healthy its hard to get well.

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 11:17:10 AM   
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Its not the most important thing to me...but I am aged =L=
 
Give yourself some time....I don`t know many online who ever had an easy ...j o b...of finding *ms/mr* right for them real quick. One may very well spend a lifetime and never find the match...tsk tsk...life rolls on.
 
Remember this can be life and death *stuff*...lotta goofs out there!
 
BossyShoeBitch....good answer...
 
Good luck fella...

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 11:18:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NewMaster86

As a sub/slave (which I am neither) how important is it to you to be attracted to your Dom/Master physically?

I only ask because I feel as though I've been judged alot on my appearance by what few sub's I've approached and its been really bothering me.



 
Physical Attraction is a strange thing. No one can help who they are attracted to, it just happens.  If you could choose that, then you could also choose to be gay or straight.  If you could choose that, then who would be attracted to children as a choice?  I, personally, am a lesbian, I tend to prefer girls that are a little bigger than average, but not as big as I, with long dark hair. Almost every time I go into a bar, I can tell you, that the smallest blonde in that bar will come over and hit on Me.  What can I do?  Some of the time, the girl I have been drooling over all night is the local fag hag.  Straight as a board, but loves to hang with gay males. What can I do?  Just wait and someone I like will come around, I would much rather wait it out for someone I like, then be with someone I don’t.

That being said, in this type of relationship, I am more flexible about appearance.  Case and point, I will take on a male.  To look at a male, I would never be “attracted” to him.  I obviously can tell what I find nicer looking than something else, but I don’t lust after a male like I would a female.  My live in partner is very attractive, My friends all make comments all the time, and My daughters friends always have little crushes on him.  In a way, its sad that I don’t feel attracted enough to him to love him the way he worships Me, but I can not control that.  Now, I will not be as picky with a male or female slave then I would with a vanilla female partner, but, there will be ones I, of course, am not going to be attracted enough to play with.  On the other side of that, I am a very big woman, and not every slave is going to want that.  That is their innate feelings, not something they chose, and that is fine.  They can not control theirs, any more than I can control Mine. Or anyone else.  And, quite frankly, I don’t want to be with anyone that does not find Me attractive, who would?  I still get a good amount of My mail coming from small blonde girls, lol, but I am more likely to answer them in this kind of relationship.  Just like I would answer a male, that has the right mindset and interests.  That is the most important in this kind of connection, to Me.

Now, I looked at your profile, and there are many problems, IMO, that could be a problem. 

1.     You are so new.  In fact, not only is your name clear on that, but you have only been on this site for a month.  You have to think logically about things.  Do you have any idea how many things have to “click” for this type of relationship to work?  You have to not only have a mutual attraction (at some level), but common interests, (vanilla and BDSM), the same type of goal (live in, or not, etc..) and have situations that allow this on both ends.  One month is nothing, look how long some of these people have been around here.  I have been here a year, and have met four or five slaves off here, not one of them has gone long term, and I think that is more common then finding someone right away, which happens, but not as often.

2.     Your picture is three years old, and just a very up close face shot, in the dark, no less.   You might want to take a better picture.  Not trying to be a bitch, (that comes naturally), but if someone sent Me a pic, and said it was three years old, the first thing I would say would be, get a better pic.

3.     What you did write in your profile is very negative and does not really say anything about you.  First off, it makes you sound desperate to state:

  “Would like to meet female submissives who won't frustrate me or waste my time. I don't have many other criteria outside of that.” 

  That just sounds awful, I would not even want to be with someone that did not have some kind of preference.  If someone sent you a message, and said, “I messaged every Dom I saw, I don’t care who owns Me”  Would you want to talk to them?  I sure would not.  I am very selective of who I train, and I expect they are too.

4.     You are very young.  21 is young to claim to be a Master at anything.  And, like stated above, you are new also.  Those two together are very hard to get over.  What other kinds of things have you been doing to try and gain some experience?  And have you been looking for slaves that have experience?  Some of them don’t like to “train” their Master.  Also you were not able to say anything about what type of Master you are, or what type of slave you seek.  Most likely because you don’t know, I would assume.  If you don’t know what you have to offer, or what you are looking for, then how can someone match up with it?

5.     Your journal, the tone of it is awful.  Sure we all have rant days, but that seems to be all you do.  Again,

 
 “If I were looking for a 'dating' site they are in abundance, I don't need or want the same type of attitude here of all places, I thought this would be better than that.” 
 
This makes it sound like you are only here thinking you might do better then in the “vanilla world”.  Its about the same, those that have confidence and do well there, do well here.  There is a type of person out there for everyones style.  I have always been heavy, the biggest in the group most of the time, and yet, I always had dates, and a huge crowd of friends. Its all about how you behave and what kind of respect you demand.  If you are whinny and weak, who could submit to you? Seriously.  Your whole journal is like that.

This, of course, is only My opinion, and I am not a slave or a submissive, by any sense of the word.
 

 
 
Edited cuz somehow, it was all straight and black,,,,and I like blue and italic

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 12:13:11 PM   
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I think Miss Italian said it all.  You might want to read that one very closely.

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 12:35:46 PM   
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20 year old girls discriminate, on the average, a great deal more by looks than 60 year old women do. That's because 20 years olds, of both genders, haven't had sufficient experience to learn that morals, attitudes, loyalty, keeping ones word etc are of more importance.

But I wonder who you're approaching. Are you picking Ugly Betty or still slavering over the cheerleader types who wouldn't give you the time of day in high school? Because it goes both ways.

I will say that at your age, six months devotion to diet and an exercise program would transform you physically and make you more appealing to the women who attract you.

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 12:44:37 PM   
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I would have Master attractive even if he was 500 lbs and looked like a troll.  His mind is what attracted me before we met.  When we met i was happy he was and is very good looking.  What good is physical attraction if they guy is a model but dumb as a fence post?  I needed a master who could stimulate my mind as well as my body and that man is Master.  He is VERY good at doing both.

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 12:45:44 PM   
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20 year old girls discriminate, on the average, a great deal more by looks than 60 year old women do. That's because 20 years olds, of both genders, haven't had sufficient experience to learn that morals, attitudes, loyalty, keeping ones word etc are of more importance.

But I wonder who you're approaching. Are you picking Ugly Betty or still slavering over the cheerleader types who wouldn't give you the time of day in high school? Because it goes both ways.

I will say that at your age, six months devotion to diet and an exercise program would transform you physically and make you more appealing to the women who attract you.


What you say makes sense to me as I've always felt that I should stive to be my most attractive since I do have preferrences in who I'm attracted to.

With that said though, I suffered from eating disorders in the past and they make it more difficult for me now to accomplish my physical goals.  For the longest time I wallowed in self pity-- figuring I'd have to settle for someone I didn't find physically attractive due solely to the fact that I didn't find myself as physically attractive as I felt I shuold be.

But there is no accounting for other people's tastes and I've learned that attitude can supercede physical shortcomings.  A friend of mine and I are the same size now and she has problems dating whereas I don't have the same problems.  In a moment of bluntness I pondered this to her and her response to me was, "but you have confidence that I lack and that makes you more beautiful."

*sigh* now if I could just bottle that and sell it....

ETA: exercise and body transformations are good, but if one still has ugly syndrome, it won't yeild the desired results.

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 1:13:54 PM   
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Is the physical attraction  important  -- to me yes to a degree, but I do not necessarily reject a person outside my preferred top type,  other elements come into play such  as personality, intelligence and whether they are taking care of themselves physically are they well groomed, if they have a few extra pounds are they keeping themselves well toned. if they cannot master/control  and look after themselves ...how can they possibly look after and be in control of me.  I can change my look and appearance from month to month by changing hair colour, how I wear my hair and use of makeup so I use mulitple photos in my profile taken within a 6 month period, people can change a lot for year to year, using a photo that 3 years old and may not look at all like you appear today  can be very deceiving and  can speak of dishonesty because people may be responding to what they see in a picture and if they have not been informed that your appearance has changed and than you meet and you not what they seen they may feel disappointment or that they were conned

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 1:38:28 PM   
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I find it important, and it is the first thing that makes me filter out certain people, but it is not the end all of attributes for me. 

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 2:26:09 PM   
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Physical attraction is the root my sexual want. If I don't want a body pressed up on mine, well then that's the cut. I don't need someone to look like an athlete to be attractive to me though, the body is art, everyone has their own tastes.
If you're being judged on physical appearance alone then move on to a less shallow pool of candidates. It's more important to find someone you make the mental connection with first.

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 2:32:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

20 year old girls discriminate, on the average, a great deal more by looks than 60 year old women do. That's because 20 years olds, of both genders, haven't had sufficient experience to learn that morals, attitudes, loyalty, keeping ones word etc are of more importance.

But I wonder who you're approaching. Are you picking Ugly Betty or still slavering over the cheerleader types who wouldn't give you the time of day in high school? Because it goes both ways.



I guess just to clear things up and hopefully not derail this thread to be about me.

I look at alot of profiles and I usually follow the same steps with every profile I browse.

If a profile has no photo: I browse their intrest to see if we have anything in common and the rest of their profile to see if I fit to what they are looking for. If I get the thumbs up on both of those I send a message introducing myself, telling a few things about myself and ask if they would like to speak further.

If a profile has a photo but I am not immeadiatly attracted to them: I browse their intrest to see if we have anything in common and the rest of their profile to see if I fit to what they are looking for. If I get the thumbs up on both of those I send a message introducing myself, telling a few things about myself and ask if they would like to speak further.

If a profile has a photo and I AM immeadiatly attracted to them: I browse their intrest to see if we have anything in common and the rest of their profile to see if I fit to what they are looking for. If I get the thumbs up on both of those I send a message introducing myself, telling a few things about myself and ask if they would like to speak further.

Unlike most of this post my messages are not copy/paste either, I do take the time to write a message for each person rather than send the same message to what few people I do message.

As far as diet and exercise, the reason I havn't gotten a photo more recent than 3 years is first, I havn't needed it. Second, over the past year I had a choice of either buying a Digital camera or pay my gym dues. I choose the latter

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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 2:34:45 PM   
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I always am attracted by the total package (sorry if it sounds rude). Not sure what I look for in looks. Never had girls that were even close in looks.(No specific things like blond, thin, grey eyes or so.)
Had even girls that "weren't" pretty in my eyes (not meaning ugly) ..but they were just great persons.


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RE: Importance of Physical Attraction? - 1/28/2008 2:40:48 PM   
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Not that I am a huge proponent of this, but you seem like a nice guy. As a nice guy, I suggest checking out Ladder Theory. Its application runs deep and true, and if you are a good natured cynic at heart, then it might cheer you up a bit. Best of luck.

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