Rover
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ORIGINAL: PeggyO
Out of curiosity, do you know any of the people who have created www.bornslaves.com? Have you had personal experiences or interactions with them?
I don't know any of these people on a personal level. Nor do I need to know them personally in order to evaluate the website and conclude that it is not what MistressNoName claims it to be.
Be clear, I'm not calling Slave Master "fraudulant" since his website does not portay itself as representative of "Old Guard" Leather. I'm simply (and clearly) stating that other people's portrayal of the website (or them, based upon the website) as representative of "Old Guard" is completely contrary to the documented factual record.
This is a website largely dedicated to "New Age" leather spiritualism. And while there's absolutely nothing wrong with folks incorporating spiritualism in their BDSM, there is nothing to suggest that "New Age" spiritualism even existed in the "Old Guard" era, much less that it played any meaningful role in their society.
Similarly, the website was offered as an example of "Old Guard" training methods that utilized third person speech by a poster on this board. This is also something that, if true, seems to have escaped the documented factual record (and thus I feel justified in concluding that it's not true). I don't see where the website makes such a claim, but if it does then I would consider that a fabrication.
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I know that Slave Master has been very involved in the gay leather scene for many years and I believe he was one of the founding members of Butchmann's.
Master Steve is the founder of Butchmanns Academy, though Slave Master is an instructor. He has legitimately been involved in the gay leather scene for some years (his website says fourteen). None of which changes the fact that the New Age leather represented by his website bears no resemblance to the era commonly referred to as "Old Guard". Seriously, it's impossible to conceive that any of the accepted historical accounts of the era failed to mention this.
And frankly, in Slave Master's defense he should not be held accountable for how an anonymous poster to an online community may say about his website. This is not about defending Slave Master who (near as I can tell though I have not read every article at the site) has not made any claim that would require a defense. Misstating other people's positions (such as has evidently been the case with Slave Master) brings undeserved scrutiny upon them, and in this case I believe that an injustice has been done to Slave Master.
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I am curious if your opinion is based on the web site only or if perhaps you have some other knowledge.
My opinion is based upon a cumulative understanding of the "Old Guard" era based upon what recognized Leather historians have written, having personally discussed the topic with a few of those historians, and comparing that to what I've read at the website. Admittedly, I do not consider myself expert on the topic, though well informed and conversant.
John
< Message edited by Rover -- 1/30/2008 5:44:16 AM >
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