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Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 8:41:12 AM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		Gov Bill Richardson endorses Barack Obama and gently suggests for the good of the party Hillary might want to consider stepping aside.So is it too late ,can she somehow twist enough arms or will a continued attempt to woo superdelegates prove fruitless while weakening the chances of wresting the White House from the Republican's
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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 9:10:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		      Now???  After Barry just shot himself square in the foot (at least as far as winning my vote goes) with that speech on race?  Why would she quit when she just went right back on top?

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 9:16:56 AM   
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     Now???  After Barry just shot himself square in the foot (at least as far as winning my vote goes) with that speech on race?  Why would she quit when she just went right back on top?

You were never going to vote for either so stop acting like you might have.

HRC cannot reasonably take the pledged delegate lead and is almost as unlikely to take the popular vote lead. She and her strategists know this. It is past time for her to take a moment and decide to do what is right for the party.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 9:20:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ken, that's kind of presumptious to say about whether Rich is going to vote for one or the other.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 9:23:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Her dropping out now won't effect the end result much. McCain has very little chance against either.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 9:29:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure that the majority of Democratic voters agree with you.Granted Penn.will be telling as far as electability goes,but what I'm wondering here is how much harm can she do to Democratic hopes for winning in Nov.if the message is he can't be elected (based on race).The risk being alienating large blocs of voters on one side or another,she wins with this strategy do blacks jump ship,or on the other hand if after continuing the "he can't be elected "  strategy he wins the nomination anyway,do white voters jump ship .Either scenario holds the possibility of the Democrats handing the white house to the republicans for another term.Something I think most procrastinators would have thought highly unlikely a short year ago

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 9:34:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		MSNBC is running results from some polls showing Obama has about a 70% favorable reaction to his race speech.
 
Should Hillary drop out? I wish she would, but I think she's going to run the ship aground.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 9:40:53 AM   
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No. She still has a reasonable chance to win the nomination. She may not get popular vote majority but "superdelegates" can be manipulated and Clintons know how to do it better than Obama camp.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 9:44:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I seriously doubt that Hillary Clinton will drop out or anything.  She is determined to become President and impose her will on the rest of us.  Even if Obama wins the noination I am sure she will then turn to lawsuits and such to get her way.  In this she is destoring the Democrates and McCain will win.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 9:47:08 AM   
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You were never going to vote for either so stop acting like you might have.




       Assigning my position again, huh Ken?  Hillary could still get my vote if McCain puts Huckabee on the ticket, and Obama was certainly in the hunt for it until Tuesday.

       Don't act like you know me, dude.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 10:13:45 AM   
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You were never going to vote for either so stop acting like you might have.




      Assigning my position again, huh Ken?  Hillary could still get my vote if McCain puts Huckabee on the ticket, and Obama was certainly in the hunt for it until Tuesday.

      Don't act like you know me, dude.

I know enough about you through your posts to know you were never going to support either democratic candidate. Your passive-aggressive BS of claiming to be a democrat but agreeing with the far right wing attack stuff is getting tiresome and that you think anyone believes it is insulting.

BTW did you notice even FNC can't keep their own anchors from admiting the speech really was good and addressed what needed to be addressed? Maybe you missed that poll showing 70% of americans liked the content of the speech because rush and FNC didn't mention it.

I've already shown far worse hateful crap being spewed by leaders of the GOP but I have never seen any of you conservatives admit the hypocrisy of supporting a party which caters toRobertson, Hagee etc. while assailing a black pastor who said virtually the same thing.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 11:13:59 AM   
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     Now???  After Barry just shot himself square in the foot (at least as far as winning my vote goes) with that speech on race?  Why would she quit when she just went right back on top?

Heretic,
I second that! I'm sure between Senator Clinton and President Clinton they can come up with something else on Senator Obama to disqualify him in the eyes of the DNC party leadership, or at least enough key 'super-delegates'; plenty of time until Denver.

This is a fantastic opportunity to show how strong and capable a leader she will be.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 11:14:53 AM   
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BTW did you notice even FNC can't keep their own anchors from admiting ...



      No, Ken.  I didn't.  I don't get much news from that source.  I watched most of the speech online, and read through the text a couple of times.  I'm perfectly willing to accept your number on "approval" of the content, but that is a long way from the effectiveness of it on his campaign.

      If you've read through so many of my posts, I'm sure you are already aware of why I finally turned my back on the Dems in disgust.  I still care deeply about all those ideals and values I once thought made me a liberal, but the solutions the Dems continue to push have been failing for 40 years.

       You should also be well briefed with my opinion on the Fundy's. 

        Or did those facts get discarded because they didn't fit the point you were trying to force?

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 11:40:41 AM   
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MSNBC is running results from some polls showing Obama has about a 70% favorable reaction to his race speech.
 
Should Hillary drop out? I wish she would, but I think she's going to run the ship aground.


to be honest I trust MSNBC to give me the "honest" news about as much as I trust Fox.

*makes a face* You can take a survey of thier news stories and if I didnt know any better you would swear someone high up is giving Obama head or something.. because Damn. The shit is slanted all the time.

Hillary could find a cure for Cancer and they would find a way to call her a monster and twist it.. or bury it under some news story of Obama kissing a baby.

At this point I am just sick of the bloody press period.

It is a historial election cycle. It has of course gotten ugly. It will come down to who the bigoted idiotic under educated masses of morons feel more comfortable with in the end. A pushy broad or some black dude they really dont know. ( after the Electoral Col. has thier go. ) The Reps already chose thier horse.. hell he was chosen long before it ever really began. No body else was viable. Lets hope he can pick a decent running mate and doesnt pander to the wackadoodles.

Honestly I am surprised it took someone here this long to post this thread. LOL

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 11:47:48 AM   
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Just reported on MSNBC: Hillary Clinton thought to cause cancer!
 
Pretty much all news sources have a slant, to one degree or another. Fox rolls to the right, most of the others usually lean to the left.....

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 12:08:46 PM   
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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 12:23:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		If someone can sugest a formula or a stratagy wherein she gains enough delegates or more popular votes prior to denver I will be happy to listen.Twisting arms and making deals with super-delegates designed to nullify the whole primary/caucus process gains her the empty nomination of a party torn apart .What chance would she have after the voters realize the choice was taken from them and decided by party insiders.A frustrated core of Democratic voters might not vote for McCain but a large enough majority might just stay home in NOV.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 12:27:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

    Now???  After Barry just shot himself square in the foot (at least as far as winning my vote goes) with that speech on race?  Why would she quit when she just went right back on top?

Heretic,
I second that! I'm sure between Senator Clinton and President Clinton they can come up with something else on Senator Obama to disqualify him in the eyes of the DNC party leadership, or at least enough key 'super-delegates'; plenty of time until Denver.

This is a fantastic opportunity to show how strong and capable a leader she will be.


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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 1:00:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Still confused here, the armtwisting and the back room deal may get her the nomination but at best isn't it a pyrrhic victory .The backlash of removing the choice from the voter during the nominating process will burn the Dems come the General election in Nov.

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RE: Is it time for Sen.Clinton to concede - 3/22/2008 1:08:03 PM   
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BTW did you notice even FNC can't keep their own anchors from admiting the speech really was good and addressed what needed to be addressed? Maybe you missed that poll showing 70% of americans liked the content of the speech because rush and FNC didn't mention it.


70%? Come on now, Ken. We know that polls are just statistics. A collection of numbers that reflect what people are thinking in "'reality'". And reality- well, we all know that it has a well-known liberal bias.

It's completely obvious to anyone with common sense that responding to a racial attack is an exploitation of one's minority status. The correct response would have been to pretend that the attack never happened, and cut off any ties with his church of 20 years. Why do you hate America?

On a slightly more serious note... Clinton isn't about to drop out of the race without some SERIOUS pressure.  And  I doubt that McCain doesn't have any tricks up his sleeve... But I stay out of the news, only read transcripts and voting history :) Has McCain's savings and loan scandal been re-opened by the media yet?

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