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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/10/2008 5:19:48 PM

gypsygrl

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I think it's really a matter of evaluating what kinds of activities GIVE energy and what kinds TAKE it from you.

So, couldn't you conceive, then, that someone might gain energy from a rewarding job? Gain energy from service? From housework? From play? I think it is a false assumption that all of these things has to be always draining. I think a good top will know how to attain a measure of balance in their demands based on knowing the energy level of their bottom (and what refuels them).

Lovely. I need to be busy and, all else being equal, find that the more I have to do, the more efficient I am, and the more energy I have. The only problem is sometimes I lose the code for stopping, and I can't shut my operating systems down. Eventually they just crash. Thats never a good thing.

So to address the op, whether an arrangement is satisfying and workable isn't always easy to judge from the outside. Maybe they've decided that, between the two of them, its best for the slave to do everything.

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/10/2008 7:16:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: gypsygrl

Lovely. I need to be busy and, all else being equal, find that the more I have to do, the more efficient I am, and the more energy I have.

If you figure out how to bottle that, i'll buy a dozen cases

i just look at my never-ending project list and feel like a truckload of wet sand has been dumped on me.

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/10/2008 7:57:58 PM

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In all honesty, its more like a disease than anything else. Because, when you get right down to it, there just isn't that much that really and truely needs doing. Most stuff can be left undone and we'd probably be better off.

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/10/2008 10:38:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: khem

I think it's really a matter of evaluating what kinds of activities GIVE energy and what kinds TAKE it from you.

You said it, khem! i get energy from physical activity, working with my hands and staying busy. What drains my energy is being around a negative person, a complainer, a whiner, a person who only sees the bad things and misses out on all of the good, which is why i choose to stay away from people like that.

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So, couldn't you conceive, then, that someone might gain energy from a rewarding job? Gain energy from service? From housework? From play? I think it is a false assumption that all of these things has to be always draining. I think a good top will know how to attain a measure of balance in their demands based on knowing the energy level of their bottom (and what refuels them).

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes and, most definitely. Actually, my Master has to make me take a break sometimes and make me sit down and rest.

For me, doing the household chores, the cooking, the cleaning, the yard work, the laundry, etc. is just what i do and what i have always done, whether i am in a live-in relationship (of any kind) or not and whether i am working a full-time job outside the house or not. It's just part of who i am. i clean. i even do windows. i clean the washing machine and underneath and behind the washing machine, the dryer, the fridge and the stove. i clean up after the 2 dogs. And, i clean the fish tank and the bird feeders. All the little critters are well cared for here. There isn't anything in or around this house that i don't clean.

Accepting full responsibility for doing all of the household chores for my Master was a requirement for me when i came into my Master's house. It is one of my primary duties. But, since it's something i enjoy doing, it isn't a burden to me. And, honestly, i wish i could do more for my Master. He has given me so much and i feel i owe Him so much and i don't ever feel like i even come close to giving Him all that He should have.

He is the King of His castle and He deserves to be treated as such and should never have to lift a finger to keep it clean. He works hard to be a good provider. And, He has already made sure that His slave and offspring will be well cared for, should He pass from this life too soon. The least i can do is to make sure that He has a clean and comfortable home to come to at the end of His work day and that He has a freshly brewed cup of coffee to wake up to in the morning, served to Him by His happy slave.

joy
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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 1:28:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: Willowmoon

I have read so many posts on these boards where I have seen the Dom types talking about how their slaves do the housework and make them breakfast, lunch, dinner, get them what ever they want when ever they want or are punished and it makes me wonder just how this can really work in the real world where the majority of people have to work fulltime jobs to pay the rent, buy the food etc and where households tend to need two full time incomes to really survive.

If a slave is working all day just the same as the Master works all day how can she have the energy to do the housework, shopping and prepare all the meals as well as having to serve her Master and have the energy to play if he decides he wants to play that day. It doesn't seem realistic or fair to me. The slave does everything, falls in to bed exhausted to get up and have to do it all again the next day while the Master can sit on his ass watch TV and just relax.

Yes I know a slave is there to serve her Master and makes his life easier but in the real world a little thing called life gets in the way of the slave does everything so the Master doesn't have too mindset. I am glad that my Master doesn't make me serve him like that. As it is most days by the time I get home I am exhausted and don't have the energy to even climb in to a warm bath that Master has run for me. In our home we share the chores and cooking and to be honest Master does more of the chores then I do because he would prefer that I focus on my study or that I have the energy for him to play with when he wants too. I do the cooking though as his not the worlds best cook.

Willow

my slavery to Master IS my "real world" - it can't get in the way - it's just life. i don't even attempt to seperate the two.
i work a full-time job out of the house while Master stays home and does His work. Still, i cook, clean, shop, run errands, do the laundry, take care of the pets, chauffer, set appointments, pay bills, keep a daily journal, etc etc etc. And still have time to go out with Master - play, eat out, go on a "photography" venture, etc. And now, soon, i'll get to start working out in the yard again!
Don't get me wrong - i went through a total knee replacement last August and another this last March. He picked up and took care of me, the house, the pets ... and i was miserable to think that He had to take care of me.
W/we have a fantastic APE relationship - and wouldn't have it any other way!!

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 1:48:12 AM

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Slaves do everything while Master do nothing

wish it was true..then I would make it my job.
Doesn't sound bad at all

But it takes time to keep a relation..MS or of any kind..interesting and stimulating. And as a MAster is leading..much comes from him.

< Message edited by Justme696 -- 5/11/2008 1:54:42 AM >

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 5:23:16 AM

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I have to put my two cents in here! You can maintain a reasonably clean house in as little as 30 min a day, if you are organized and have routine down. Food preparation and meal cooking anywhere between 15-30 minutes. If you have something in the oven, you don't have to hover over it.  Basically, 1 hour a day.

Many people let things go to hell, and when it's time to clean, there is clutter and junk in the way, and the mess is so outta control that it literally takes 1/2 a day to deal with.

Do I sound like a real slave driver to you yet? Actually, believe it or not it was a slave that showed me how easy it was to do and pull off. We had lots of free time to relax and enjoy time together as well.   Sure, it was a lot of work in the beginning.   Her and I both had to be on the same page, not a problem.   Ok fast forward, a few years later, I got married, she did the same exact thing. Honestly, it does not take long to clean a reasonably mostly clean bath tub or toliet. If it's done at least once a week.   Some people just let things get do dirty or cluttered that it actually does consume hours when they tackle it.

Also, I stress it takes two people being on the same wave length.  Meaning to be consious about putting things away, and taking a few extra seconds or minutes out to clean or pickup something.   You toss a load of laundry in before a TV show, change it over to the dryer at the end of the show or a commercial break. Afterwards, comes the folding which takes the most amount of time.

Sure, there are some D/s relationships where the sub/slave can do most of the work. Other relationships where both parties are working, these things need to be taken into consideration. What's important is that it somehow gets done.

There are lazy submissives out there just as their as lazy Doms...

It all depends upon how clean

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 6:04:36 AM

eyesopened

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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

I've cooked and cleaned for two people for years. Worked a full time job and paid the bills while they didn't do any of this, and I didn't even get sex. Yes, I was a single mom.

I find my relationship far more balanced and I'll keep it, thank you.

*applauds!*

Yes, i worked full time, did all the cooking, cleaning, laundry, helped with homework and school projects, driving little ones to various activities. i cooked rather than rely on take-out and made sure all beds were made before walking out the door in the mornings. my offspring were aged 3 years and 14-months, when i became a single mom so they were not able to contribute much toward the upkeep of the household other than pick up toys at the end of the day. my house was immaculate. i never resented this, it was my job, my duty. i took pride in my accomplishments even though the little ones never said "good job, Mom" *SMILES* Until today that is! Happy Mother's Day, if it applies.

Why would i resent my Master if i served Him in this way?

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 6:25:15 AM

gypsygrl

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Imo, you're right on the mark.

Housework doesn't have to be work. Its only work if you make it work. It can also be thought of as re-creation. Or, homemaking. Or, alot of other things. It all depends on what you bring into it.

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 7:00:32 AM

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......and not that this is the entire reason for success or unsuccessful in this area/topic but

I think mindset plays a huge factor.
   When you are happy, appreciated, positive and in an environment that has positive -energy and revitalizes you rather than zapppppppps you of all your energy and gives you none to rejunivate. ( emotionally as well as physically)

years back ( prior my marriage) when I lived on my own...I had boundless energy, my surroundings were impeccable and it was a joy to keep it htat way. I took pride in what I did, where I lived and how I made it reflect who I was and what I liked.
I painted, wrote poetry, volunteered my time and energy, planted gardens and loved helping.

jump ahead...into the middle of a 28 yr marriage...a relationship that became emotionally destructive to me, took all I had to give but gave me nothing to rejuvinate myself with....... I shudder now when I think of how my house looked at times...and I tired...honestly didnt feel like I didnt try to do my best, was doing the best I could ...energy was hard to come by , as was desire. I had sadness because I wanted to help others but could barely help myself and my immediate surroundings and responsibilities..
my body reflected the same..
I was trying to do all you talked about in your post. and it ALL was a chore.
I was expected to be the disciplinarian, be incontrol, decision maker , problem solver and emotional supporter of all those around me..

jump ahead to now...Im 20 some years older...I should be more worn out right? less energy? physically less capable of handling it all right?    wrong.

I have found revitalization and energy in being in a positive place..a good/healthy relationship and a mindset that allows me to feel good about what I do and what I accomplish once again.

I do those things that use to cause me to feel burdened and over-wrought , now with joy once again..
Its not that I love to clean but I do love to see my work at the end of the project...I can once again feel satisfaction in accomplishment and hard work...bcause I can see it pay off and I can see it appreciated.
My desire to create, improve, decorate, choose, experiment and stop and smell the roses, seeing the joy and beauty in even the simple and everyday chores of life has returned to me.

now before you throw tomatoes
as I said > this is NOT the entire reason for success or not feeling it..
Juggling all those responsibilities, work, kids, household stuff, errands.. its hard work!   and justifyably overwhelming at times..
and its even harder to do it ALONE...and when I say "alone"   I mean in a situation where there is someone else there, but it sure feels like there isn't.....yanno what I mean?

emotional support and emotional happiness goes along way to physically lightening our loads..
just a thought : )

< Message edited by TysGalilah -- 5/11/2008 7:24:07 AM >

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 9:10:34 AM

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Energy is energy, it's how you perceive it which makes it positive or negative.

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 10:46:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Simply just as any woman living alone does all those things!
I run my own business ... i cook, clean, do the laundry, walk the dogs, tidy the kids rooms even. I put out the trash, pretty much do everything.

<grins>

Love your profile entry, missturbation and Dislikes = housework!

Mind you, for workaholics then for much of this stuff it's "where's the problem?"

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 12:22:29 PM

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Yes, there is actually a website for people who have a hard time keeping on top of their cleaning and organizing and this site breaks it down day by day so you never spend much time keeping a clean house.

There are some tricks of course, there is also the way you percieve it (as Stella said). If you find pleasure in a clean house or in keeping a house clean for someone else the energy is possitive. If you resent it as a chore and put it off until you find that your dishes have become science experiments, then of course you will find that you are too ovewhelmed and tired to ever get ahead of the mess.

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 1:43:48 PM

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I have to admit - i would rather handwash dishes for Sir, than machine wash them for the scone-grabbers - especially since Sir will come up behind me and bit me on the neck, or slap my bum or ......

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 1:50:35 PM

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ok .. so I have several points to make

Firstly, Y'all Perverts should know I am only into all this kinky stuff because of the ironing and floor scrubbing .. I would *happily* never have a violent finger lifted to me again in exchange for a nice house to keep and some semi-regular anal sex.

Secondly. The idea of the stay at home wife with no responsibility other than keeping a clean house was an invention of the Victorian Era when domesticity became mechanised ..,. *thats* when the idea of a stay at home wife became a concrete status and *that* is when the backlash against it began. Prior to the mechanised Victorian Era taking care of a home *Was* a mother fucking full time job (... wash DAY people .. all goddamn day .. not shovel it into the washer .. press go .. and collect a couple of hours later .. all fresh and DRY.) people didn't "respect" it .. or "admire" it ... you just got on with it. Other than the keeping of a clean home, women throughout history have had to complete a lengthy list of requirements .. from taking in mending to the the ability to source, produce and maintain all the clothing and soft furnsihings ... did you know the most complimentary thing a Roamn woman could have written on her epitaph was "good worker of wool" ... kinda hot that

Thirdly ... if you lived alone you would still have to cook, clean, look after the house, do laundry, work a day job, have a social life etc etc etc and you would do it WITHOUT COMPLAINT ... why can you not cope with adding in another person to care for into that. Its housework ..you are not mobilising the Third Army ... Personally taking care of a house is *nothing* compared to my day job ... its a no brainer which one I would prefer

Lastly ... as a slave, my priority is to be pleasing and give pleasing service .. and my joy comes from Him being pleased and contented. If greeting Him at the door everyday looking fresh and welcoming, with a clean and welcoming home and a decent meal I prepared myself is going to please Him .... then tiny price to pay for His contentment .. its cleaning for crying out loud ... its not getting attanched to a high stoll via your labia and a brad nailer

falling into bed exhausted .. knowing you have to get up next day and do it again ... is a sign of a life well lived. I consider everyday i *dont* fall into bed exhausted to be a day i didn't try hard enough

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 4:16:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: softness

Thirdly ... if you lived alone you would still have to cook, clean, look after the house, do laundry, work a day job, have a social life etc etc etc and you would do it WITHOUT COMPLAINT ... why can you not cope with adding in another person to care for into that. Its housework ..you are not mobilising the Third Army ... Personally taking care of a house is *nothing* compared to my day job ... its a no brainer which one I would prefer

Lastly ... as a slave, my priority is to be pleasing and give pleasing service .. and my joy comes from Him being pleased and contented. If greeting Him at the door everyday looking fresh and welcoming, with a clean and welcoming home and a decent meal I prepared myself is going to please Him .... then tiny price to pay for His contentment .. its cleaning for crying out loud ... its not getting attanched to a high stoll via your labia and a brad nailer

These two statements in particular leave me pondering a few questions of my own. Frankly, I very much agree with what Softeness has to say here. So I'm left somewhat puzzled by how many I've contacted apparently couldn't tolerate such an existence. I wash my own dishes all the time... trust me, it won't kill you.

On the other hand... I do own several nail guns...

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 6:57:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: Willowmoon

I have read so many posts on these boards where I have seen the Dom types talking about how their slaves do the housework and make them breakfast, lunch, dinner, get them what ever they want when ever they want or are punished and it makes me wonder just how this can really work in the real world where the majority of people have to work fulltime jobs to pay the rent, buy the food etc and where households tend to need two full time incomes to really survive.

If a slave is working all day just the same as the Master works all day how can she have the energy to do the housework, shopping and prepare all the meals as well as having to serve her Master and have the energy to play if he decides he wants to play that day. It doesn't seem realistic or fair to me. The slave does everything, falls in to bed exhausted to get up and have to do it all again the next day while the Master can sit on his ass watch TV and just relax.

Yes I know a slave is there to serve her Master and makes his life easier but in the real world a little thing called life gets in the way of the slave does everything so the Master doesn't have too mindset. I am glad that my Master doesn't make me serve him like that. As it is most days by the time I get home I am exhausted and don't have the energy to even climb in to a warm bath that Master has run for me. In our home we share the chores and cooking and to be honest Master does more of the chores then I do because he would prefer that I focus on my study or that I have the energy for him to play with when he wants too. I do the cooking though as his not the worlds best cook.

Willow

people do what works for them.... those that keep things as realistically obtainable tend to have more success than those that are unrealistic. However, Just becuase you life is realistic for you doesn't mean that another's is unrealistic for them.

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 7:03:31 PM

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Someone mentioned this briefly, so I thought I'd offer the link. I don't follow this, but it mightbe useful for someone.

http://www.flylady.net/

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 7:19:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
people do what works for them.... those that keep things as realistically obtainable tend to have more success than those that are unrealistic. However, Just becuase you life is realistic for you doesn't mean that another's is unrealistic for them.

Thank you for saying that. If I fell into bed exhausted every single night, then I would be falling into bed in a mental ward. Being uberslave may be doable for someone else and great for them; it certainly isn't doable for me.

And it's more than just doing dishes for one more person.

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RE: Slaves do everything while Master do nothing - 5/11/2008 7:30:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: softness

ok .. so I have several points to make

Firstly, Y'all Perverts should know I am only into all this kinky stuff because of the ironing and floor scrubbing .. I would *happily* never have a violent finger lifted to me again in exchange for a nice house to keep and some semi-regular anal sex.

I wonder how many people perved you from this above exhange alone. Hell I perved you. Clean floors and anal sex. Holy Hera. I loved what you posted. The whole thing. Spot on.

Secondly. The idea of the stay at home wife with no responsibility other than keeping a clean house was an invention of the Victorian Era when domesticity became mechanised ..,. *thats* when the idea of a stay at home wife became a concrete status and *that* is when the backlash against it began. Prior to the mechanised Victorian Era taking care of a home *Was* a mother fucking full time job (... wash DAY people .. all goddamn day .. not shovel it into the washer .. press go .. and collect a couple of hours later .. all fresh and DRY.) people didn't "respect" it .. or "admire" it ... you just got on with it. Other than the keeping of a clean home, women throughout history have had to complete a lengthy list of requirements .. from taking in mending to the the ability to source, produce and maintain all the clothing and soft furnsihings ... did you know the most complimentary thing a Roamn woman could have written on her epitaph was "good worker of wool" ... kinda hot that

Thirdly ... if you lived alone you would still have to cook, clean, look after the house, do laundry, work a day job, have a social life etc etc etc and you would do it WITHOUT COMPLAINT ... why can you not cope with adding in another person to care for into that. Its housework ..you are not mobilising the Third Army ... Personally taking care of a house is *nothing* compared to my day job ... its a no brainer which one I would prefer

Lastly ... as a slave, my priority is to be pleasing and give pleasing service .. and my joy comes from Him being pleased and contented. If greeting Him at the door everyday looking fresh and welcoming, with a clean and welcoming home and a decent meal I prepared myself is going to please Him .... then tiny price to pay for His contentment .. its cleaning for crying out loud ... its not getting attanched to a high stoll via your labia and a brad nailer

falling into bed exhausted .. knowing you have to get up next day and do it again ... is a sign of a life well lived. I consider everyday i *dont* fall into bed exhausted to be a day i didn't try hard enough

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