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RE: living expenses - 7/28/2004 3:32:55 PM   
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On the other hand, if you expect that because you’re a slave that you shouldn’t have to contribute to “common good” of the household by holding a job or providing some source of support – your search may be very long indeed.


Okay, like I said before, I don't expect it and I DO contribute to the home. I'm also educated and can take care of myself if need be. I didn't realize that this post would cause such a stir. It's just a thought I had that I was curious about. LOL!

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RE: living expenses - 7/29/2004 6:40:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sweetieboop
Okay, like I said before, I don't expect it and I DO contribute to the home. I'm also educated and can take care of myself if need be. I didn't realize that this post would cause such a stir. It's just a thought I had that I was curious about. LOL!


sweetieboop,

Actually I think it was a GREAT post. Yes it is one people have some strong opinions about - I would would rather read and respond to things that invoke a passionate response.

Hell if you can't cause a stir once in a while - why bother?

Terry

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RE: living expenses - 7/29/2004 6:13:03 PM   
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M. Terry-

Just wanted to hang this off here to say that it's great to see you back...

Stay warm,
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RE: living expenses - 7/29/2004 8:52:26 PM   
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Excuse me for responding to this topic. But I've seen the Masters take a rather heated and passionate response to it and I would just like to say a few things from a slave/submissives side.

I can understand the asking of it because I have run into Masters who have jobs that leave them at home and doing very, very little or "Masters" who are not working while the slave/sub works outside the home and then is expected to come home and do *everything* to take care of the home and her Master. I can imagine that it would get a bit like the Master is the One sitting on His....nicely rounded ass and the slave becoming a bit lean and not so nicely rounded at some point. or god forbid a tad irritated when she comes home from a busy day at work and still has the laundry, house to clean, meal to cook and clean up after, lawn to tend to, garbage to take out, animals to tend to....ect. And the Master in all his Masterly ways and looking at his Kingdom, shakes his head in disgust at what a sorry slave he has taken into his realm. As he goes back to leaning back in his recliner and waching tv, growling inside that his slave will need to be flogged, spanked and punished in some way for her attitude as she tries desperatly to get it all taken care of in order to make his life easy and filled with nothing but pleasure and comfort. (Have talked to some who actually believe that is how it should be....*laughing, shaking head*)

Can understand why the question needs to be asked sometimes.

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RE: living expenses - 7/30/2004 3:22:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: topcat
Just wanted to hang this off here to say that it's great to see you back...


Lawrence,

Thanks! It's great to be back. The workload has dropped just a bit so maybe I will have time for other things again!

Terry

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RE: living expenses - 7/30/2004 7:45:02 AM   
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Please excuse My Post on Your boards Masters

each person chooses a place that fits them best.
a person whom chooses concensual slavery desires
to have thier lifes Dominanted. Sum times that Domination
includes financial Domination depending on the slaves needs.
Dominants well at least most can and do provide what the
nessesities of life are. A roof,toliet,bath , food n water, Dominance and
direction. Any thing else are luxuries that would need to be
either earned by a slave or if the slave was financially available
controled . There is only one expectation that a slave would have
and that is how to serve when they wake be it at a job that brings in
money to the Household or in the bed of a Owner or in the garden
tending to food for the house, or at the end of a whip splayed across
a dungeon wall, or what ever else pleases a Owner. It is up to
you as a slave to say if you expect your living expectations to include
sumthing more then what a slave would normally have which is minamal.
The care of any living thing is simple when it is kept to a minamum. If you
desire to have more contorl then I listed here such as chooseing what you
do or where or eat or go then Id say this is more of a submissive life you
seek and still nneed to put to words preceicly what you expect as a sub.
Dominants will always have control of Their lifes and provide for Their Living
to the best of Their abilities. There is nothing that says that living must come
at the hands of the Dominant. A Dominant can control that which is around
Them to gain funds to supliment Their Living. This is called Management and
many Dominants choose this way of Dominant Control over the Singular way of
Self work. A saying comes to mind I was told by My Father and beleive..
Work Smart not Hard. Be clear on what you concider to be living expences and
what you expect as a sub or slave to be taken care of or even expect. Then
the Dominant will either say No I do not do things that way this is how I do it and
then it is up to you to deciede if you desire to live in that kind of Dominance.

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RE: living expenses - 7/30/2004 8:16:18 AM   
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I have a bit of a unique perspective on this matter seeing as how I just ended a D/s relationship recently and the only let me stress that ONLY reason for it ending was so her career could move into a better direction. She was promoted at her job which unfortunately for me ment that she would have to move. She came home in mixed tears knowing that I didnt want to move. She was so very happing for getting a promotion that she wanted and yet so upset that by taking it, it would end our relationship. We discussed it and she really wanted to go so I set her free and let her go (neither of us wanted a long distance relationship). We remain the closest of friends. But sometimes the greatest way to show love is to set the object of your affections free and let her persue happiness no matter what it means. For future referance, she has found someone she is very much liking, but has not informed him of her subside. Their relationship while intimate is very vanilla. She keeps talking about how while he is good in bed he is quite a bit boring. She is scheduled to come back for a visit in August.

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RE: living expenses - 7/30/2004 1:41:30 PM   
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Thank you. This is exactly what I'm talking about. The NEEDS of a slave that stays home (by Master's choice) and tends to him and his needs. Let me ask you this... If a Master is suppose to control the money of a slave that DOES work, isn't that included in taking care of living expenses? I mean, I have met a lot of people who think, "I'm the Master which means what ever I say goes." It's just a way of getting what they want and being lazy. A lot of so-called Masters (not all Masters, Shadow ) think that becoming a Master means having to do and worry about nothing. IMHO, a Master's job is very hard. It takes time, effort, understanding, knowledge, dedication, etc.

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RE: living expenses - 7/30/2004 1:45:36 PM   
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Hell if you can't cause a stir once in a while - why bother?


You shouldn't encourage me Terry.

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RE: living expenses - 7/31/2004 5:42:03 AM   
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I do not understand why they should be provided....

If I wanted someone to sit at home all day and do nothing (how much can someone really do at home - unless you have a home based business?), I would get married vanilla and stock chocolate and make sure the TV worked for the afternoon soaps.

I see people with this posted on their advertisemsnts and cannot help but think that it is something additional to entice someone where something else might be lacking - I know this is a slanted view, but one I hold none the less.

Me personally - I believe someone should work to assist in the household - and, support themselves as best they might within the household.

~J

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RE: living expenses - 7/31/2004 8:04:36 AM   
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in my experience most Masters shy away from any slave looking for a sugardaddy and will quicly dismis him. A slave most often is expected to work outside the home and take of his expense unless other arrangments have ben made. A slaves ernins essentially belong to the slave and will go with the slave at any kind of parting, be it death or otherwise. A Master who insists that all the slaves earnings be given to Him is a dagorous man and you need to leave immediately and keep looking.

A slave should never expect to be a kept slave, unless that is how the Master advertized. he should expect to work outside the home and help with the expences. my Master insisted that i keep a separate bank account the first 4 years. Ater that if i want to make the account joint, i became responcible in paying the bills with the money. Not just my own, but everything, and to let the Master know if a proble arrises, such has overspending or spending before the bills have been paid.

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RE: living expenses - 7/31/2004 8:57:06 AM   
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If I wanted someone to sit at home all day and do nothing (how much can someone really do at home - unless you have a home based business?), I would get married vanilla and stock chocolate and make sure the TV worked for the afternoon soaps.


Well, personally, I stay home and have little time to do nothing. I'm always cooking, cleaning, excersizing, sucking and fucking. Of course, I have the luxury of having Master at home a lot because of his schedule. I also have my own business and don't even have much time to tend to that. Thank God, I don't NEED to badly. Oh, and I don't have TV at all. When I DO have free time, Master would rather I read or do something constructive.

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RE: living expenses - 7/31/2004 9:03:47 AM   
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in my experience most Masters shy away from any slave looking for a sugardaddy and will quicly dismis him.


I didn't say anything about looking for a sugar daddy. I said that IMO a Master who wants his slave to be at home to take care of him and his needs should expect to take care of his slave's NEEDS. Not pay for anything the slave WANTS. If someone is giving themselves as property to someone else, I think that that they have a responsibility to take care of their property. For lack of a better example, if you own a pet, you take care of them in every way, right? The pet becomes your baby that you are responsible for. I understand that not everyone can afford to do that these days. I'm talking about people who are looking for that type of situation.

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RE: living expenses - 9/26/2005 6:37:48 PM   
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i had a Master, who insisted on having control over my bank accounts and checks. i had not problem with this as he was very good at making sure i got what i needed. That is until one day he got angry w/me and out of anger struck me several times in the face, and had my bags packed, taken all money out of my account and tried to throw me out of his house w/no where to go....this of course was after he was thowing me against the railing of a two story building. i had already been to the police, as he had told me at work i was to leave when i got back to his house. Thats when i went to my bank and realized he taken all of my funds. The police informed me that under no uncertain terms was i to allow him to throw me out, once i was thrown out, i had no legal rights to stay. i didnt want to stay but i had no choice...i dont know a sole here. For weeks i had to sleep in a corner of a closet and was not allowed food, socialization and had others slaves paraded around in front of me. i finally got out and got my own place. However, he uses hypnosis on his subjects. i was one or am one of those. He can come over here and utter a few trigger words and i cant help myself to do what he wants. He has told me i have no choice and i am his no matter what. .....just a little about finances lol

carmel girl

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RE: living expenses - 9/26/2005 7:08:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cheeba0228

There is a fine line a slave and Master will walk between being dependant on a Dom or Master and being a parasite. If being a slave is your only job and taking care of a person and his/her posessions is your only duty then I think you have it a little easy. Most people cannot live on a single income right now so while they split the cost of living they also split the maintenance and upkeep of their home/apartment/or whatever. Being a slave or hard sub is no excuse for being lazy nor is being a Master if the only reason a person gets into the lifestyle is to find someone to bend over for their every wish they need to reconsider because they are lazy a Master is just as much of a devotion as being a sub.


Well, until recently, being a slave WAS my only job, and if you think I had it easy, go take a look at the second pic on my CM profile and THEN tell me how "easy" it is, 'cause that's the house I have to maintain! Master works 12 days straight and is home just 4 days per month, so no, He does NOT do any of the household chores, and He DID find someone to "bend to His every wish." Doesn't make Him lazy.

Master provides everything for His household. I work part-time now, and pay my own credit cards (whatever's left goes into savings), but He provides everything else, including my medical insurance. Any additional slave we take into our home on a full-time, live-in basis would also be responsible for their own personal bills and medical insurance. We're not wealthy, but we can provide room and board, which is more than a lot of dominants offer.

As others have said, financial responsibility is something that must be negotiated. My personal feeling on it is, if I am going to require that a slave quit their outside employment, live in my home and do nothing but serve me and my household, then I'd better be able to afford their upkeep. If I can't do that, then I have no business making them dependent upon me.

Denise
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RE: living expenses - 9/26/2005 7:12:05 PM   
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However, he uses hypnosis on his subjects. i was one or am one of those. He can come over here and utter a few trigger words and i cant help myself to do what he wants. He has told me i have no choice and i am his no matter what.


I would contact a good counselor with experience in hypnosis & abuse IMMEDIATELY. There are ways to reprogram.

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RE: living expenses - 9/26/2005 7:57:44 PM   
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Everyone has to make their own choice about this situation, but one thing is sure. If you hand over control of your finances to someone else, this is an enormous risk, and as carmelgirl found out, a legal nightmare.

For those masters and dominants who have stated how important it is for a slave to have the resources necessary to care for themselves if/when the part from their master, I applaud your ability to see the "big picture".

Slave contracts, as everyone knows, are pretty little ritualistic documents with no meaning in the "real" world. On the other hand, any documents or written agreements regarding the control and disposition of funds, current and future IS completely legal and binding. I know everyone who enters into an agreement like this doesn't usually want to think about the time it will end, but even if it lasts until death, a person needs to protect themselves.

At death, proving common law marriage to children who are contesting a will is not impossible, but it can become rather costly. If a couple is at that stage, the best option would be to make sure that the home is in BOTH names so that right of survivorship will make that portion of the estate not subject to the will. Certainly a legally binding document regarding the status of that joint ownership given a breakup could be done as well (although depending on the time together, I wouldn't count on not losing a portion in a legal battle). Life insurance benefits are also not subject to the will, but rather are separate documents that won't even come into consideration for the will.

The bottom line is that if a couple is not legally married, at NO time should a slave/sub give complete control of their assets/finances to their master without a legal document in place protecting their rights should something go wrong. It is like the difference between trust and stupidity.

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RE: living expenses - 9/26/2005 9:32:24 PM   
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Ok, let’s be realistic here. If you are a Master and expect for ye random cute/handsome slave to pull up roots and come to you, eliminating the job they have already been trained at, spent time to establish contacts in, and may well be in line for a promotion with, yes you should pay them. I would say at least 9 months worth of their salary at the job they were forced to leave to come to you.
People have kids to attend to (child support ect) they have hopes and dreams that they are saving away for, they have futures they are trying to build. To dismiss these things is not only unethical on the part of a Master, it is also irresponsible, mean spirited, and worst of all reckless with someone else’s life.

Now many of you may see these requirements as being too much for anyone to deal with. I can understand this, it’s hardly chump change. However, I think you must consider what you are getting in return. I’ll use myself for an example to illustrate my point. I plan on finishing grad school and heading into a job that pays upwards of 70K a year right out of the box. Now never mind that I’m hoping to do the kind of work where it’s the good being accomplished that matters, not the money, but in order for One to have me even consider dropping my existence to come and place myself in your hands You need to be able to put up approximately $52,500. Honestly, this is a small price to pay to have someone with obviously marketable skills (to say nothing of the drive and focus needed to acquire graduate education, the same could be said of military training) drop their entire life and start a whole new life in a whole new place, a life centered around serving your wants and needs.
There’s also the matter of what material success says about You. Money is not everything by any stretch, but it is a good way to gage how well someone has their own life together. Call me a radical but I’d kind of like for One to have their own life at least vaguely together before they start exerting control over mine. Again material success is by no means the only measurement of such things, nor is it always a great measurement, but it can be when combine with other variables.

In the end perhaps this matter is summed up by something a wonderful Dominatrix friend of mine once said to Her boy in the days leading up to their wedding: “Baby I love you more than I can hope to express in words, but if you ever fuck with my money, they’ll have to dredge the river for months before they find your bloated corpse.”

But hey that’s just what I think, I could be wrong

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RE: living expenses - 9/26/2005 10:38:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD

Please excuse My Post on Your boards Masters

You might as well, everyone else does. You are at least the first I can recall so much as tipping your hat about it.

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ORIGINAL: sweetieboop

I don't understand why Masters don't feel that "all living expenses provided" is a necessity when trying to aquire a slave. If you want to own someone, then you need to be responsible for them, IMHO. Living expenses doesn't mean anything the slave WANTS you to buy her, it means anything she NEEDS. If you want someone to come live in your house, take care of your wants and needs, and do as you say, then don't you have the responsibility to take care of them and provide for them?

Maybe they just missed the check box, maybe they think she ought to work and pay her half of the bills. There are about as many definitions of a "slave" in this lifestyle as there are slaves. So exactly what definition are you using and are you sure that's the same that they are using. I've met slaves, who live with their master and both work. Met some where the slave works and the master is also a full time "house husband". There's even one I know who is a slave but does not live with her owner. Whatever floats their boat, everybody has to find their own arrangement. And surely you aren't going to tell me those slaves aren't really slaves if they aren't kept locked up at home kneeling naked on a silken pillow or leashed to the bed are you? No, I don't think that's what you had in mind.

But it does seem like you had a particular image in mind, maybe its that image that needs adjusting, broaden the frame of reference a bit. You seem to have made a lot of assumptions about exactly what arrangements those masters, whoever they were, had in mind. Now if the slave goes to live in their house that seems to me they're providing one "need" already, they're putting a roof over her head. You talked about the slave taking care of his wants and needs... exactly what are we talking about. Let's define things, get down to particulars. Are we talking about affection, companionship, the need for someone dependable and reliable, someone who will walk in the door when everyone else in the world is walking out it? Or are we just talking about sex and kink? Which is it, it makes a difference. And just what needs of hers are you referring to... the same need for love, for affection, for a shoulder to bury her face in when life gets to be just a little too much. Or is the price of having his needs met buying her off with clothes and nice meals at nice resteraunts and pretty baubles? There's a word for a woman who trades herself for material things... whore. Now that's the plain ugly truth of it, and while some may hiss and spit and arch their backs it won't change the fact the world's oldest profession is alive and doing quite well. Madonna said it best, we live in a material world, and there's a whole lot of women out there who want material things and don't mind being a whore to get it... long as you don't call them that directly. Its a trend these days, people reduce relationships to financial choices. There's an old saying I used to hear growing up, if you marry for money, you'll earn every cent of it. Same thing goes for "slaves" who expect their master's to pay for them... there are those that will pay, and you'll earn every last penny of it... believe it.

But then there's the real question, why is she with him? Was it out of love, out of affection for the man himself... or just what he could provide her. You want the plain ugly truth why some won't check that little box. Here it is sister-woman and its not pretty, they don't check it cause they don't care for all the freeloading, gold digging, whores in inevitably attracts. I've turned away a few from mine and I won't be surprised to find a few more show up in the future.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying men have no responsibilities. Look around and you'll see me say plenty on that subject. I think if a man is going to call himself a master he ought to damn well act like it. An that means you start by putting your own house in order before you do anything else. He ought to be able to provide life's necessities for himself and his slave, but whether or not he actually does or she earns her own way is another matter and one the two of them will have to settle between themselves, privately.

Here's another fact, long as I'm laying out some plain truths. The majority of women, in or out of this lifestyle want certainty, they want assurances, they want security and they look for a man that can provide that. A man can be a hard talking, hard living, pain in the ass, but if he can provide a woman with security she'll respect him anyway and even love the SOB. A man can be a gentle soul with the heart of poet and enough compassion to assauge the whole world and most women will swoon over him but they won't marry him... it's a funny kind of values how we pay lip service to admiring one thing when in reality we value something else, we live in a world of mendacity. Women want equal rights, equal opportunity, but when it comes to security the majority still go looking for a man to provide it.

You hit on a simple truth Sweetieboop, whether you meant to or not, most women who want to be slaves are looking for a man to provide them with security, that includes financial security among other forms (not all, I've met a few jewels that wanted something more intimate as their main priority). For those of us who can do that, we get respect, we get the pretty slave/s, we get to have things our way because we can afford to have our way. Its the golden rule... the real one, he who has the gold makes the rules. Equality or not, not much has changed in this world in 2000 years and by the look of it I don't think its going to in the next 2000 either... human beings are creatures of habit, and that's one habit women have yet to kick. Don't believe me, then ask your self why Hugh Hefner has three gorgeous girlfriends... cause of his dashing good looks or that large checking account?

Money is power, power is freedom... there's a truth this world revolves around.

But while that is true, its also why this is such a raw nerve for many masters. Nobody likes being reduced to a number, especially not when its your bank balance, but it happens often enough to us anyway. You would-be master's hearing that? Got your life together yet or is your life as messy as that pile of dirty laundry you call a bedroom? Hard truths, but there the are and I just bet there's a whole lot people who I just made squirm.

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RE: living expenses - 9/27/2005 5:00:30 AM   
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Eeven though your on disablity I would imagine that there are ways that you could be of assistance other service to the Master's household, I own a slave and I do expect her to contribute to the household in what way she is able to at the time it is needed. All finicial arrangements were made during the time I interviewed her as so to squash any future problems that we might run into

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