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RE: living expenses - 10/2/2005 7:54:01 PM   
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so does this mean that the slave has to have a positive income flow such that it increases your financial situation as well as has to provide total service at home and otherwise? do you have an idea of a minimum financial worth, or do you adjust it when you wish to increase your standard of living, or maybe purchase a boat, car, or other toy, or perhaps something pretty for your alpha? i'm a bit confused about all of this, so any enlightenment will be welcomed. thank you.


Actually it's more a matter of a new slave should not cost me in the end. The value of their services to me should come out as more than the maintenance cost.

I'm not looking to get rich off a new slave But I am looking to make sure that they don't cost me more than they are worth. The concept is really pretty simple.
If you eat more than you provide you're not staying here. I'm really only looking for a break even or maybe a little better situation.



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RE: living expenses - 10/4/2005 7:09:01 AM   
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I agree with Iron Bear, if the Dom has the means to provide for his slave (I am male for familiarities sake though it does happen the other way too, female Doms and Male subs or in other types of relationships etc..) if he cannot and they agree them she should work.
No matter how its done, who works or not, All of this should be agreed upon BEFORE hand. So everyone knows there role, job, etc...its makes NO ONE less Dominante nor less submissive. It just makes sense to pay the bills....

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RE: living expenses - 10/4/2005 7:52:45 AM   
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IronBear,

That is my point, you would not leave one of "yours" destitute at the "end". I fully understand the concept of her (or him) contributing to the household in whatever manner that works. What I don't understand is how others would take the entire paycheck and whatever other assets, do whatever with it, and then should the relationship ends (for whatever reason), turn said slave out with nothing, claiming that all those assets are theirs.

I guess I just don't get how some people could be quite that self-centered.




Ok so if a Master asks you to come and live with him, you move across the country to be with him. He states that he will care for all of your (slaves) needs therefore you are not working, have no income and no money to your name. Then lets say that the relationship is not working out for various reasons. (nothing like cheating or theft just personality conflicts within the household). Is he still responsible for supporting his slave until she finds another place to live or another Master?

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RE: living expenses - 10/4/2005 6:31:12 PM   
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I don't understand why Masters don't feel that "all living expenses provided" is a necessity when trying to aquire a slave. If you want to own someone, then you need to be responsible for them, IMHO. Living expenses doesn't mean anything the slave WANTS you to buy her, it means anything she NEEDS. If you want someone to come live in your house, take care of your wants and needs, and do as you say, then don't you have the responsibility to take care of them and provide for them?


I don't understand when becoming a slave meant getting a free meal ticket. Contrary to popular belief you can actually be an effective slave *and* hold down a job.

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RE: living expenses - 10/4/2005 10:08:18 PM   
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I don't understand when becoming a slave meant getting a free meal ticket. Contrary to popular belief you can actually be an effective slave *and* hold down a job.


I really should just bite my tongue here and not say anything, but the arrogance of this statement really grates on my nerves. Free meal ticket? I suppose you're one of those who thinks all a housewife does is sit on the couch all day and watch soap operas, too, yes?

Now, I have no problem with a slave paying his or her own personal expenses. In fact, I do it myself. But I do NOT support Master's household. He wanted a slave to cook and clean and maintain His house and handle every detail of running a household so He doesn't have to deal with it and cater to His every whim. He got one, and I work my butt off for Him. In exchange for all that I do for Him, He provides the roof over my head, the food in my belly, and the gas for me to get to work and back.

But, I suppose you'd say I got a free meal ticket.

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RE: living expenses - 10/4/2005 10:58:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: worshipmoons

Ok so if a Master asks you to come and live with him, you move across the country to be with him. He states that he will care for all of your (slaves) needs therefore you are not working, have no income and no money to your name. Then lets say that the relationship is not working out for various reasons. (nothing like cheating or theft just personality conflicts within the household). Is he still responsible for supporting his slave until she finds another place to live or another Master?

wm


What happened to my "pre-master" savings and assets? Did he insist I sign them over to him (like that's gonna happen). When thing just don't work, am I supposed to pack up and leave on a moment's notice?

When a couple gets married and decide that the wife will be a "stay at home" mom, should she not share in the assets of the husband because she didn't work? Maintaining a home IS work, raising a child IS work.

As you said in a previous post, these things must be addressed prior to making that move. I don't think it would be unreasonable to allow someone to stay long enough to get a job and the financial ability to move out as opposed to just turning them out on the street with nothing. As for pre-relationship assets, do you think it unreasonable to believe they should be returned to allow that person the ability to move out and start over?

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RE: living expenses - 10/5/2005 7:17:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

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ORIGINAL: sweetieboop

I don't understand why Masters don't feel that "all living expenses provided" is a necessity when trying to aquire a slave. If you want to own someone, then you need to be responsible for them, IMHO. Living expenses doesn't mean anything the slave WANTS you to buy her, it means anything she NEEDS. If you want someone to come live in your house, take care of your wants and needs, and do as you say, then don't you have the responsibility to take care of them and provide for them?


I don't understand when becoming a slave meant getting a free meal ticket. Contrary to popular belief you can actually be an effective slave *and* hold down a job.

C~



Most people get paid to cook, clean, laundry, gardening etc...in fact most large housr holds have more then one person hired to do such tasks.....if you were to add up what it would cost to hire out cooks and maids and gardeners you would find that owning a slave is cheeper even with metical and dental...so who gets the better end of the deal? The master....the slave is doing the work load of several people.....
From your statement you obvisoulsy have no concept of what a slave is capable of doing........

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RE: living expenses - 10/5/2005 7:29:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut
What happened to my "pre-master" savings and assets? Did he insist I sign them over to him (like that's gonna happen). When thing just don't work, am I supposed to pack up and leave on a moment's notice?

When a couple gets married and decide that the wife will be a "stay at home" mom, should she not share in the assets of the husband because she didn't work? Maintaining a home IS work, raising a child IS work.

As you said in a previous post, these things must be addressed prior to making that move. I don't think it would be unreasonable to allow someone to stay long enough to get a job and the financial ability to move out as opposed to just turning them out on the street with nothing. As for pre-relationship assets, do you think it unreasonable to believe they should be returned to allow that person the ability to move out and start over?





That would be my advice....Returnt he assests, no not take them at in the first palce, and let theslavestay long enough to either find another Master or wait until the job/funds/ become availible....

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RE: living expenses - 10/5/2005 7:53:51 AM   
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Well I've seen one what I considered good format for taking total control of finances in print that was both workable and to a point ethical.

All previously held property of a slave was to be stored access provided on a schedule,
Their car would be bought by the Master at market value and then loaned back to them as a privledge, any cash would be put into an account for them.

The slave would work an outside job and there was an automatic set asside of X% of each paycheck into that account, slave would turn over all checks to the house.
In return all slave's needs would be met from the house, up to and including in one case the bills for the slave's mother's nursing home costs.

Should the relationshiop end the slave would recieve 2 months of their paycheck or a set ammount which was close to a couple months salary for a enrty level professional career, whichever was higher as well as access to the money in their account along with the bank's interest.

It was a well thought out and pretty thorough system.


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RE: living expenses - 10/5/2005 3:31:02 PM   
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quote:

What happened to my "pre-master" savings and assets? Did he insist I sign them over to him (like that's gonna happen). When thing just don't work, am I supposed to pack up and leave on a moment's notice?

When a couple gets married and decide that the wife will be a "stay at home" mom, should she not share in the assets of the husband because she didn't work? Maintaining a home IS work, raising a child IS work.

As you said in a previous post, these things must be addressed prior to making that move. I don't think it would be unreasonable to allow someone to stay long enough to get a job and the financial ability to move out as opposed to just turning them out on the street with nothing. As for pre-relationship assets, do you think it unreasonable to believe they should be returned to allow that person the ability to move out and start over?


I just had something pop into my head while reading this PRE-NUP!!! I find it odd that in a lifestyle where negotiation & sometimes contracting are normal why aren't things spelled out up front in a cohabitation agreement of sorts? While I don't believe that these contracts would necessarily hold up in court spelling out expectations for he relationship & it's potential demise seems wise. Am I off track here?

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RE: living expenses - 10/5/2005 4:23:22 PM   
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Having given this some thought in recent years, a tactic I would use would be to establish a bank account in the slave’s name. Create an automatic monthly payment to this account… whatever amount seems reasonable – this becomes the slaves “emergency fund”.


Look into LLC's. It has a very interesting and flexible structure that can help with this stuff.

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RE: living expenses - 10/5/2005 4:25:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sweetieboop
I don't understand why Masters don't feel that "all living expenses provided" is a necessity when trying to aquire a slave.


Because it isn't a necessity. Many items of property are capable of providing for their own needs quite well. For that matter there is nothing wrong with operating them at a profit if thats what an owner chooses.

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ORIGINAL: sweetieboop
If you want someone to come live in your house, take care of your wants and needs, and do as you say, then don't you have the responsibility to take care of them and provide for them?


That would depend on the specific relationship. In some cases allowing them to do that is a favor or boon you are granting them... they will provide it with no cost or burden to you as part of their service. The potential risk to their future solvency in this circumstance is a risk they have agreed to take.


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RE: living expenses - 10/5/2005 4:39:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Evanesce

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I don't understand when becoming a slave meant getting a free meal ticket. Contrary to popular belief you can actually be an effective slave *and* hold down a job.


I really should just bite my tongue here and not say anything, but the arrogance of this statement really grates on my nerves. Free meal ticket? I suppose you're one of those who thinks all a housewife does is sit on the couch all day and watch soap operas, too, yes?


I have no idea what a housewife does, I've never been married, had children, or stayed at home to take care of the house and/or children.

If you want my honest opinion *if* you have a person who stays at home of their own free will not due to medical reasons or raising children (i.e. no kids, no illness) then yeah I think it is a luxury and one which I hope they take the time to enjoy.

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Now, I have no problem with a slave paying his or her own personal expenses. In fact, I do it myself. But I do NOT support Master's household. He wanted a slave to cook and clean and maintain His house and handle every detail of running a household so He doesn't have to deal with it and cater to His every whim. He got one, and I work my butt off for Him. In exchange for all that I do for Him, He provides the roof over my head, the food in my belly, and the gas for me to get to work and back.


Thats wonderful that you do that, my point was simply that someone can actually do that and work. It sounds like in fact you do work and keep the house. The original post made it sound like how dare a dominant actually expect a submissive to work. As though the submissive should be demanding the (to me) luxury to stay at home.

C~

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RE: living expenses - 10/5/2005 4:43:42 PM   
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Most people get paid to cook, clean, laundry, gardening etc...in fact most large housr holds have more then one person hired to do such tasks.....


If you look at the average household income in America, most people cannot afford to hire people to do such tasks. They actually (I know this is shocking) find time in the day to cook food, clean, do laundry, and perhaps even also work. And some of these people also have children on top of it. It is certainly difficult, but it is also managable.

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if you were to add up what it would cost to hire out cooks and maids and gardeners you would find that owning a slave is cheeper even with metical and dental...so who gets the better end of the deal? The master....the slave is doing the work load of several people.....
From your statement you obvisoulsy have no concept of what a slave is capable of doing........


It does not take several people to manage the average household. And in case it isn't clear I'm saying that a slave is capable of doing *more* than staying at home and keeping the home. They are capable of doing that *and* working *if* thats what their dominant wants. But to *require* that a dominant must allow them to stay at home while the dominant works their ass off (i.e. a "true" dominant provides financially for the submissive)... well I wonder who is wearing the pants.

C~

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RE: living expenses - 10/5/2005 4:49:13 PM   
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Let me be more specific. If you want a slave that does not work outside the home. You consider the slave's job to take care of you and your home. I'm talking about 24/7 slave, not a sub.



I expect my slaves to obey me. IF I tell them to get a job and contribute financailly, then they do that. The purpose of a slave is to help and please her (his) owner. NOT the other way around.

Let's face it, if you are going to be taken care of, then you are not a slave. A slave is to obey the master, not require the master to work for the slave.

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RE: living expenses - 10/5/2005 5:37:26 PM   
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Masterlash Wrote:

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Let's face it, if you are going to be taken care of, then you are not a slave.


Sorry, pal, but that's some real, honest-to-god, high grade, Texas-style bullshit. If she is serving you in your household, cleaning, cooking, washing clothes, and comforting you after your work each day, she deserves to have provisions made. I am not saying go out and buy her a Lincoln and a fur coat each week, but I can tell you as a single dad running a house all alone, keeping a household going is a full time job, bud. You aren't honestly saying you would begrudge her food, shelter, clothing, and necessities if she is freely giving and taking care of you?

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A slave is to obey the master, not require the master to work for the slave.


I fail to see where one thing has anything to do with the other. This is the way I see it: The Master works and provides for his children, his wife, his slave, and all others under his roof as long as he is physically able to do so. I work. I work very hard, physically demanding, mentally strenuous work. That is My role in life. Work, and bring home the money. If I cannot provide for Mine, and protect Mine from hunger and poverty, how then shall I expect to be called "Master"? Master of what?
A slave can remain at home and work for her Master and be very obedient. she isn't requiring Master to work for her... He works for the satisfaction of being who is supposed to be, and for that of being Provider.


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RE: living expenses - 10/6/2005 2:34:08 AM   
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This is not a reply to anyone in particular but to the thread as a whole. I was sitting here this morning thinking about it. Its early, still dark out and quiet, a good time to think and listen to your own thoughts. As I did so something came to mind about all this and I decided to share what that was because I think its an important point.

As I read through the thread, even reading some of my own remarks, I couldn't help but feel that somehow something had been missed. That too much we had focused on mathematics, on balance sheets, on accounting. That with the best of intentions we were slipping towards reducing relationships to credit scores and numbers and that something of the individuals involved was being lost. Perhaps the key word then is not the accounting that should be looked at... but the accountability.

It struck me that in all this talk of financial agreements, trust funds, annuities, LLCs, savings accounts, contracts and pre-nuptual agreements that without realizing it we were saying something very wrong. Because in all these things, in suggesting that a slave should perhaps seek or require these things, that a master should be obligated to provide these things, we are saying one thing. We are saying, "I don't trust you." For those of us who take collaring seriously, who do view owning a slave as owning property and take that seriously, we are asking a slave to place a great deal of trust in us. How then do we reconcile the conundrum of encouraging them not to trust in us, but to trust in financial and legal agreements? The "vanilla" world has these for marriages and it has not provided them with guarantees, the divorce rate still hovers between 40% to 50% depending on who's numbers you use. For all the laws and financial agreements in place, it has not provided a solution, it has not made those relationships work any better nor guaranteed afterwards that things will go as intended. Lawyers find loop holes in prenuptual agreements, probate courts contest wills, trust funds are abused by trustees... are we to place our faith in these same things? These same broken remedies for that essential necessity of trust?

I am in no way saying a master should not be responsible and take care of the needs of their property. But merely questioning where we look to for an assurance that that will be the case. Suggesting that perhaps instead of laws and financial arrangements we look instead to the character of the individual. Consider this. If a master is not of good character and in a break up that becomes bitter, despite all those financial arrangements are you really certain you can rely on them? But, if he is of good character, if he has within him a sense of genuine honor, is that not a better assurance... that these things of his nature say he can be trusted? I know some of you will be inclined to say no, it isn't enough.

Let me challenge you to consider why it might not be enough. Could it be that because we live in a world of indemnity clauses and liability clauses and financial agreements and contractual obligations and golden parachutes, a world where we look to the law to take the place of trust, that we have forgotten something essential about how to trust? That we have forgotten something of how to judge whether a person is of good character? And that because of this, we look with fear at relationships, any relationship, that requires us to actually trust as part of that relationship? Should we not and would it not be better to teach those who would be slaves how to trust, how to know who they can trust, how to judge good character? To give them that skill of self reliance that allows them to insure their own life through their own judgement? Or would we teach them instead that they cannot trust their own judgement... do we really believe them too stupid for that? Would we as masters really want property too stupid for that?

Ironbear, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to use you for an example. In the last six months that I have been a member here, I have watched Ironbear, read his posts and observed his behavior and I have over that period of time reached a conclusion about him. In my own judgement I believe him to be a man of good character. I came to this conclusion not because of any single incident, not any single thing he has said or not said, not because of who he agrees with (or even whether he agrees with me), not because he is Gorean and as such claims to believe in honor, not because of any of these things. But more simply because over that period of time I have observed in his daily behavior a man who's actions are those of a man of good character. Because in the things he does, the things he says I believe he does so with good intentions, that he does to the best of his knowledge what he believes is right. That although I believe he holds himself to high standards, he has not lost the common touch. There is within him that spirit of bonhomme, of eudaemonia, of good spirit. If Ironbear an I lived on the same continent, in the same town and he asked to borrow my car I would not ask for a contract, nor liability clauses, nor insurance... I would let him borrow my car because I believe him a man of good character and that should something happen, should the car be wrecked, because he is a man of good character we would work it out. That is, because I believe him a man of good character, and because I believe I am a good judge of that character, I believe I can trust him and therefore I do not fear those situations which require that I trust him.

In another thread on these boards it was brought up that many submissives and slaves online flirt with relationships but do not commit because of fear. Could it be that fear springs from that same simple lack of trust. That they do not trust their ability to judge good character, to know that this individual or that is of good character, and so when faced with the choice of entering into a relationship that requires trust and is based on trust, they fear to do so?

In the end, a master (or mistress) of good character will do their best to take care of their property, their slave, because that is their nature. It will not matter whether any such agreements are in place, whether laws or societies or cultures obligate them to do so, because their own nature, their own good character, that nobility of spirit will require it of themselves.

There is no perfect solution to these questions, but I cannot help but think that in any solution we choose, trust should be an essential element. h|How can there be that trust if we have not sought out and learned to recognize good character? Because in good character we find not accounting... but accountability.

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RE: living expenses - 10/6/2005 10:17:06 AM   
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Thats wonderful that you do that, my point was simply that someone can actually do that and work. It sounds like in fact you do work and keep the house.


But that wasn't always the case. For the first year and a half that I lived with Master, I did not work at all. Not outside the home, at least. And we have no children living with us, either, so I did not have that additional burden. What I DID have was a routine He expected me to live by, and specific things He required of me when He was not home. And I still paid my own bills.

My typical day started at 2:00 am, when He got up to get ready for work. While He was in the shower, I fixed His breakfast. When He left for work at 3:00 am, I started my daily chores. I did the dishes, walked the dog, fed the birds and cats, cleaned litter boxes and bird cages, cleaned the house, painted walls and landscaped the yard and mowed and weeded, worked out, and found the time to keep my nails done as He preferred. Then, if I had time, I checked email and, sometime around 11:00 am, I got in the shower and prepared for His arrival home. When He pulled in the drive around noon, I greeted Him, clean, naked and kneeling, to await His permission to arise and fix His lunch. After lunch, we usually napped a couple hours, after which I would get up about an hour before Him and go prepare His dinner. I then woke Him for dinner, cleaned up the dishes afterwards, and then my job was to be His companion until it was time for bed. Right now, I WISH I had that life back again, because our house now is four times the size of the one we had when I moved in with Him, and it's literally impossible for me to maintain it to the standards I have in the past. And things He "wants" don't always get done due to things He "needs" me to do. Sometimes, if the Master wants the slave to work outside the home (or circumstances force that situation), He has to sacrifice a few wants, too.

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As though the submissive should be demanding the (to me) luxury to stay at home.


While I would agree with you that SOME would take advantage of the "opportunity" to stay home, it's not always a luxury. Unless the Master has a cook, housekeeper and gardener, it's a lot of work.

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RE: living expenses - 10/6/2005 10:19:27 AM   
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A slave can remain at home and work for her Master and be very obedient. she isn't requiring Master to work for her... He works for the satisfaction of being who is supposed to be, and for that of being Provider.


Amen. Thank you for saying this.

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RE: living expenses - 10/6/2005 3:06:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: theRose4U

I just had something pop into my head while reading this PRE-NUP!!! I find it odd that in a lifestyle where negotiation & sometimes contracting are normal why aren't things spelled out up front in a cohabitation agreement of sorts? While I don't believe that these contracts would necessarily hold up in court spelling out expectations for he relationship & it's potential demise seems wise. Am I off track here?


I'm not sure which types of contracts you are talking about. I would recommend that any "relationship" (i.e. slave) contract and any contract discussing financial issues be two separate documents.

We all know that "slave contracts" are lovely ritualistic pieces of paper. The contract discussing financial issues, however, would be legally binding documents just like a pre-nuptial agreement is a legally binding document. You aren't spelling out expectations for the relationship, rather you are protecting your assets, on both sides.


Archer,

The agreement you describe seems quite reasonable, although the car issue I don't know that I personally would agree to. Cars are expensive, and while I might agree that a master get control over the use of the car (or my use as you put it), reasonably, at the end of the relationship, the sub/slave would need a vehicle. Of course, the decrease in value and such all comes into play as well. Just think the car issue can be a bit more complex.

Then again, I also come from an area where public transportation was NOT readily available and I have a brand new (2005) car that I would not readily give up ownership of at the moment. That could be influencing my thoughts on the issue.

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