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Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church affilia... - 6/18/2008 1:38:51 PM   
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Beyond Jeremiah Wright's odious polemics, Barack Obama's 20-year affiliation with Trinity United Church of Christ raises several disturbing questions about his political philosophy and beliefs.

Members of Trinity Church are taught and expected to embrace something known as the "Black Value System". On its surface, this doctrine expresses a number of positive values: Commitment to God, Community, Family, Work Ethic, et cetera. However, what is disturbing is the number of times the word "Black" appears -- 29 times to be precise.

The problem? If one does a textual replacement of "Black" with "White", this is what you get:
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These White Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Whites are gathered. They consist of the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God. “The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become White Christian Activists, soldiers for White freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

2. Commitment to the White Community. The highest level of achievement for any White person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the White Community.
3. Commitment to the White Family. The White family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society.

Those Whites who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate.

4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each White person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Whites have been denied such learning, White Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college.

Basic education for all Whites should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of White minds.

5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence. To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the White Community. We must recognize the relativity of one’s best; this year’s best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor.
6. Adherence to the White Work Ethic. “It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago.” Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the White workforce.
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of White Progress and a model for White Youth.
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.” Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.

Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:

1. Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
2. Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
3. Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”
4. So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method – the psychological entrapment of White “middleclassness.” If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, White people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.

9. Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the White Community.

10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions.

11. Pledge Allegiance to All White Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the White Value System.

12. Personal Commitment to Embracement of the White Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the White Community and the Advancement of White People towards freedom.

Obama embraced this church and its doctrines for 20 years. In his recent withdrawal from that congregation, has he repudiated a doctrine which is blatantly race-oriented, even racist, arguably separatist, and the non-black equivalent of which reads like the second coming of the KKK?

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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/18/2008 1:58:40 PM   
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ooooooooooooooooooh.......hmmmmmmmm interesting

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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/18/2008 2:22:08 PM   
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For clarity, I would like to add that the original text of the "Black Value System", to which I linked in the OP, came from Trinty United's own web site.

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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/18/2008 3:01:38 PM   
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There are a lot of things like that. Imagine if PBS pushed Conservative views instead of Liberal ones... or if College Republicans routinely harassed Liberal guest speakers. Or if Hollywood consistently slanted movies to the right.

There are many such examples, I could go on all day - and yes, the hypocrisy is thick!

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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/18/2008 4:19:04 PM   
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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/18/2008 4:57:28 PM   
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Hardly a dead horse, cjan. I am posing a real and substantive question about Barack Obama's politics, philosophy, and beliefs. Are you quite at ease with the prospect of a President who subscribes to a "Black Value System"?

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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 6:29:06 AM   
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Hardly a dead horse, cjan. I am posing a real and substantive question about Barack Obama's politics, philosophy, and beliefs. Are you quite at ease with the prospect of a President who subscribes to a "Black Value System"?


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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 6:52:52 AM   
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Hardly a dead horse, cjan. I am posing a real and substantive question about Barack Obama's politics, philosophy, and beliefs. Are you quite at ease with the prospect of a President who subscribes to a "Black Value System"?




Except he never said he subsribed to that.  I was raised Catholic but that doesn't mean I agreed and supported the church's political platform.  I generally vote Democratic, that doesn't mean I agree with all their positions.  The things we do in life are not as black and white as you want to make them (pun intended, God I crack myself up ). 

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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 7:11:44 AM   
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When questions were raised about his religion, Barack Obama claimed to be a "good Christian", citing his long membership in and extensive support of the Trinity United Church.

Then, this same "good Christian" was caught on tape talking disparagingly about "people who cling to guns and religion..."

He's written and talked about his strong relationship with the Reverend Wright - and now he's thrown that same "crazy uncle" under the bus, and he's thrown his infamous church under the bus.

So what he says now doesn't matter anymore because he obviously says and does whatever is popular and expedient... so you have to try and guess who he is. And one thing to keep in mind while guessing is his strong and enthusiastic twenty year relationship with the Black equivalent of the KKK.



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Hardly a dead horse, cjan. I am posing a real and substantive question about Barack Obama's politics, philosophy, and beliefs. Are you quite at ease with the prospect of a President who subscribes to a "Black Value System"?




Except he never said he subsribed to that.  I was raised Catholic but that doesn't mean I agreed and supported the church's political platform.  I generally vote Democratic, that doesn't mean I agree with all their positions.  The things we do in life are not as black and white as you want to make them (pun intended, God I crack myself up ). 


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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 7:20:21 AM   
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Oh, and would you be so generous with a Republican candidate, under the same circumstances? "Oh, yeah, well, he belonged to a White Power organization for twenty years, and gave them huge donations. Talked glowingly about it in his books, too. Doesn't mean he agreed with or supported them though!"


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Except he never said he subsribed to that. I was raised Catholic but that doesn't mean I agreed and supported the church's political platform. I generally vote Democratic, that doesn't mean I agree with all their positions. The things we do in life are not as black and white as you want to make them (pun intended, God I crack myself up ).


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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 7:29:22 AM   
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When questions were raised about his religion, Barack Obama claimed to be a "good Christian", citing his long membership in and extensive support of the Trinity United Church.

Then, this same "good Christian" was caught on tape talking disparagingly about "people who cling to guns and religion..."

He's written and talked about his strong relationship with the Reverend Wright - and now he's thrown that same "crazy uncle" under the bus, and he's thrown his infamous church under the bus.

So what he says now doesn't matter anymore because he obviously says and does whatever is popular and expedient... so you have to try and guess who he is. And one thing to keep in mind while guessing is his strong and enthusiastic twenty year relationship with the Black equivalent of the KKK.
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Hardly a dead horse, cjan. I am posing a real and substantive question about Barack Obama's politics, philosophy, and beliefs. Are you quite at ease with the prospect of a President who subscribes to a "Black Value System"?

Except he never said he subscribed to that.  I was raised Catholic but that doesn't mean I agreed and supported the church's political platform.  I generally vote Democratic, that doesn't mean I agree with all their positions.  The things we do in life are not as black and white as you want to make them (pun intended, God I crack myself up ). 


Sanity,
Excellent points. I've asked a fellow political junkie to differentiate the background of Senator Obama and that of David Duke. Neither of us could distinguish one from the other, except for the obvious - the opposite ends of the political spectrum of their politics. How they are treated is another matter.

From CM's policy of putting this thread in 'Random Stupidity' to the national media not covering or downplaying all of exact same history and policies that they mocked with Mr. Duke it is obvious that a political agenda is being served. It would be impossible for any candidate with a similar background 180 degrees on the other side to be considered viable to head a national ticket. Ironically, I don't believe that there is a plurality to be formed who would support such a candidate. The votes committed to the "because he is black" ignorance on either side notwithstanding; I still don't believe any such plurality will be evident in November.

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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 7:31:53 AM   
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Gee, I wonder why this thread got put into the random stupidity section...

I hate to repeat myself, but...


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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 8:10:36 AM   
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So what he says now doesn't matter anymore because he obviously says and does whatever is popular and expedient... so you have to try and guess who he is. And one thing to keep in mind while guessing is his strong and enthusiastic twenty year relationship with the Black equivalent of the KKK.

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From everything I read that is what obama does as a whole.  He does what he thinks will get him elected.  Trinity got him elected into the senate because it was a big black only church where most of Chicago went.  So, he became a member.
Just obviously stayed too long...got too confortable with the anti-american rhetoric coming out, 
Maybe all politicans do that I don't know? 

He isn't going to explain it away because he doesn't feel he needs to.  The media has for the most part ignored it.  I do see McCain coming out with some bombshell evidence against him when the time is right.   There is a whole lot to come out with...much less to come out with McCain.


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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 8:13:21 AM   
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Hey ,i post on these forums, and lord knows it's chock full of weirdo's, racists, homophobes, and countless other ne'er do well douchebags.  i'll be damned if i'll be held responsible for what all these folks think....

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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 8:18:25 AM   
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McCain might not, he says he's going to run a clean campaign... but there are other political groups who will run ads, I'm sure. But McCain is so damn  politically correct that he is trying to get such free speech outlawed.


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He isn't going to explain it away because he doesn't feel he needs to. The media has for the most part ignored it. I do see McCain coming out with some bombshell evidence against him when the time is right. There is a whole lot to come out with...much less to come out with McCain.


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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 8:19:54 AM   
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If a document such as this was pulled from the website of the church John McCain attends..and was written as it is in CelticLords op...
What would your reaction be?????


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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 8:25:48 AM   
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McCain might not, he says he's going to run a clean campaign... but there are other political groups who will run ads, I'm sure. But McCain is so damn  politically correct that he is trying to get such free speech outlawed.





If MCain wants to win and knows how....you really think something won't be leaked?  The last few weeks there was the whole rumor on the "whitey" tape.  I suspected it was a fraud since it didn't make it to the national media. 
Yet, there is A LOT of crap about Obama out there.  A LOT.  Most of it on video with him saying it.  This guy has been telling me to send people to his blog on myspace a while.  Generally I forward what looks interesting to me.  Anyway here is a link...and if it doesn't work his name is activistqueerfolk.com
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.controlcenter&MyToken=ac9f3f86-7936-4062-9221-9801cf9606f0

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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 8:34:57 AM   
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Here is a single blog post.

Monday, June 09, 2008   Obama Ad Starring Racist Preacher Obama's relationship with yet another controversial Chicago minister, the Reverend James Meeks, has received relatively light media coverage, but the two are part of a circle of friends which includes Jesse Jackson Jr., a member of Meeks church. Blogger fleaflicker wrote an in-depth story about Obama and Meeks for No Quarter in March.
In 2006, Meeks was recorded preaching, in the tradition of Wright and Pfleger:
"We don't have slave masters, we got mayors, But they are still the same white people who are presiding over systems where black people are not able to be educated. You got some preachers that are house n. You got some elected officials that are house n. Rather than them try and break this up, they're gonna fight you to protect that white man."

Now, reportedly Meeks has stopped using the "N" word at Jackson's prodding. And naturally Barack Obama's campaign has issued whatever expedient words have been needed to distance Obama from Meeks. Certainly Obama has become a master at throwing everyone except blood relatives (for now) under the bus, so no big deal
But only 4 years ago, Obama recruited Rev. Meeks for a radio advertisement in support of Barack-Obama-for-U.S. Senate. And now it's surfaced on the national stage:How does Obama explain ALL these long-term friendships with racists, homophobes, anti-semites, crooks, terrorists, and other assorted offenders ALL of whom he has disowned in the past 6 months? I'm losing track..Wright, Pfleger, Meeks, Ayres, Dorhn, Rezko, Farrakhan, Auchi, Khalidi. (probably leaving someone out). As I pondered in another post, does Obama have any normal friends? Seriously, this guy is scary.

with a utube video http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=45892945&blogID=404078537&Mytoken=4D54FB60-1F0C-41EE-859D04F2800A766149618352

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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 9:22:08 AM   
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CelticLaird. thus I refute thee :

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050102903.html

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RE: Why Obama still needs to explain Trinity Church aff... - 6/19/2008 9:59:46 AM   
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You haven't refuted anything.  Show me a news article with McCain attending a Klan rally or where whatever church McCain has attended for the past 20 years endorses a white-centered separatist theology--that would be a refutation of my original post.

This time, Wright is not the issue.  The link is therefore irrelevant.


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