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ORIGINAL: Racquelle

WE are all US.  There is no THEM.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

'Berber' was coined in the 19th century, from the Arabic Al-Barbar... by which time 'bararian' had been around for  centuries, often applied to the northern Germanic marauding tribes.

And the Imazighen people of north Africa were called Libyans, Mashesh, Numidians, etc. before they were called Berbers..


The fact that you wish to use barbarian  as a racial epithet, is as much your choice as your embracing of the others you've posted.


uhhhhh....me and al run hot and cold, but he is excellent with etymology.

Berber is still a carpet...
and barber is a slash and burn sort of motherfucker.

as I said at the outset.

Nope, he's right.

Not that I will make a difference here, but it is what it is.

Ron



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ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

greetings alumbrado,

"my" choice is alongside that of scholars whose work and opinions i respect greatly. i'm sure they're probably all just yuppie postpostpostpost-modernists stuck in their ivory tower according to the posters here, no matter how many years of fieldwork they have, and of course the amazigh themselves don't know what they're talking about, either. :P i consider "barbaric" to be just as fraught with problems as many other terms commonly applied when discussing certain issues about africa, and in this particular case, a term that's been used more broadly, but that's a whole nother thread that i don't have the stamina at the moment to bang my head against.

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ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

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c.1300, "foreign lands" (especially non-Christian lands," from L. barbarus "barbarous" (see barbarian). Meaning "Saracens living in coastal North Africa" is attested from 1596, via Fr. (O.Fr. Barbarie), from Arabic Barbar, Berber, ancient Arabic name for the inhabitants of N.Africa beyond Egypt. Perhaps a native Arabic word, from barbara "to babble confusedly," which may be ult. from Gk. barbaria (see barbarian). "The actual relations (if any) of the Arabic and Gr[eek] words cannot be settled; but in European langs. barbaria, Barbarie, Barbary, have from the first been treated as identical with L. barbaria, Byzantine Gr[eek] barbaria land of barbarians.

this is also from what alumbrado posted, stating that the arabic word itself may originate from the greek pejorative term.

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

Rest assured when I want to spew venom at those who are our enemies, I have much much much more colorful words to use... Neither Berber nor Barbarian appears anywhere in the various chorouses of  "Napalm Sticks To Kids" and I have never heard of a strike launching with the intended goal of slaying "barbarians" or "berbers"... LMFAO If they are offended by "barbarians" they oughta listen to US Navy PT runs... If they heard what we sing about them, they would explode without even donning the suicide vest LOL

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ORIGINAL: hisannabelle


i'm rarely so joyful that the us navy would not allow me to enlist as i am when i read your posts, domaviator.

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
Yes be very joyful, you would probably have had a heart attack to discover how many copies of the Quaran are circulating through various heads and the cartoons of the prophet Mohammed (you know the pedophile with the six year old wife) passed around would probably upset you greatly were you to see them. So be very grateful they wouldnt accept you. You would not have been happy there...

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WE are all US. There is no THEM.

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ORIGINAL: NumberSix

biggest word he can spell ?

Help a motherfucker out, what up G?

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ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

did you not see the very obviously bold and underlined section i quoted FROM THE LINK YOU POSTED stating that although the etymology itself is unclear (which you still failed to note when you were laying out things in such a black and white fashion), the use of the term in arabic could have just as easily originated from the greek as the other way around?

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ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

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c.1300, "foreign lands" (especially non-Christian lands," from L. barbarus "barbarous" (see barbarian). Meaning "Saracens living in coastal North Africa" is attested from 1596, via Fr. (O.Fr. Barbarie), from Arabic Barbar, Berber, ancient Arabic name for the inhabitants of N.Africa beyond Egypt. Perhaps a native Arabic word, from barbara "to babble confusedly," which may be ult. from Gk. barbaria (see barbarian). "The actual relations (if any) of the Arabic and Gr[eek] words cannot be settled; but in European langs. barbaria, Barbarie, Barbary, have from the first been treated as identical with L. barbaria, Byzantine Gr[eek] barbaria land of barbarians.

this is also from what alumbrado posted, stating that the arabic word itself may originate from the greek pejorative term.

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I used to prefer cold pizza and vodka for Sunday morning breakfast... Where do I fit into the dynamic?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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I used to prefer cold pizza and vodka for Sunday morning breakfast... Where do I fit into the dynamic?

Depends on how you acquire the pizza

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ORIGINAL: NeedingMore220

As long as there's no arguing linguistics, I'm game.  lol