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Lockit -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 7:31:23 PM)

I find it very interesting that those who are insulting and attacking are all new around here. lol 




lightscribe -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 7:38:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MISTRESSKUMA

Ever wonder why you're the only one on the block hostile and alone? Ever
wonder why other people are successful and you are not? Ever wonder why
others find happiness in this world, but you don't? It's the same world,
isn't it? Are you hostile to the sidewalk too? You get what you put out so
what your seeing in this world you hate, is a reflection of you. You are
your worst enemy.


No, no, and well no. I am not hostile nor alone actually when it comes to people in my life. No, I do not wonder why other people are successful because well, quite frankly I am successful in my career field already and pretty financially secure. I do indeed have happiness in my world and actually have very little hostility towards anyone. If having standards about myself and expectations about myself is so uncomprehensible to those who apparently do not and are unwilling to be truthful to themselves, then is it any wonder as bottomboy81 notes: "If you are man or woman and have had 100s or 1000s of offers and remain here for months or years, you're expectations are obviously not functional."

I simply wish to know why it is that dommes on here seem to think they deserve an alpha male submissive when they themselves really have nothing to offer them in return that they would want. Is that really too much to ask of a dominant personality to answer about themselves? And if that person is unwilling to look inside themselves and answer those questions truthfully, then what does it say about them as a whole or about their supposed dominance in general? Why would any successful, career driven and goal oriented person wish to be with someone who was not? After all, I do not see many CEO's, corporate business men, successful women, laywers, doctors, etc. who are with someone who does not have a similar level of drive, passion, goal awareness or self-awareness as themselves. And finally, why do those female Dominants who do not possess those traits within themselves seem to expect them in an alpha male submissive in return? What is so special about them that they seem to think someone of that status is going to be interested in the first place?

Really folks, this is not a hard set of questions to answer unless self-truth is unbearable to you. And if self-truth is unbearable, what does that speak about when it comes to a persons so called dominance? How can you expect to be dominant over an alpha male submissive when you cannot even be dominant enough with yourselves to answer simple questions regarding self-truth and self-actualization?




Ferns -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 7:45:02 PM)

Hello Lockit,

Since you replied to my post specifically, should I assume you are directing that comment at me?

There is no attack in my post, nor anything insulting.  If you have taken it that way, that is up to you.

If you have a point to make about the content of my post, please make it.  I'm genuinely interested in opinions removed of vitriol.

Ferns




RedMagic1 -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 7:48:38 PM)

Sorry, Ferns, but that's just whacked.  I'm a brainiac from hell, and none of the women I have loved most in my life have had a degree from a 4-year university.  I've also dated women with multiple degrees, and I've even dated a millionaire off this very site, but the #1 thing that attracts me is compassion and joy for life.  I already know plenty of people I can talk higher mathematics with.  I want more people in my life with an abiding love for others.

Also, please consider the following.  It is a cold, hard fact that a woman looking sexy and hot is not a good enough reason for me to ask her out.  Period.  Unless she's got it going on inside, I'm not interested.  And as a result, I've dated -- and had long-term relationships with -- models and women who could easily have been models.  Why?  Because they knew I wasn't interested in them because of their body.  I've also had a relationship with an "average-looking" woman who was beautiful to me.  But my point is that I got the thing that so many men consider so important (superficial hotness) precisely because it is not so important to me.

Relationships aren't a tit-for-tat, we each need the same number of letters after our name kind of thing.  Thank heavens.  A lot of people need to stop counting beans and value the things that really are more valuable.

Edited for typos.




Lockit -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 7:49:08 PM)

I wasn't responding to your post... just so happened it came after you posted. 




LadyIce -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 7:52:17 PM)

Well, I have a college degree.
I have a great job, and I am not bad looking.
To say that the majority of the Dominant woman on this
site don't have a career and are unattractive is a misnomer.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 7:59:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lightscribe
Why would any successful, career driven and goal oriented person wish to be with someone who was not?

Love.

Longer answer: because she believes in me and in the importance of my achieving my goals, and supports me physically and emotionally to do so.  Because, yanno, that's what friends do for one another, and when I'm in a relationship, I'm in love with my best friend.  Dominance and submission has nothing to do with this.

What I keep hearing here is, "Women won't service-top me because I fall below their standards.  So instead of elevating myself, I would like to ask the women to lower their standards to include me."




Ferns -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 8:08:29 PM)

quote:

Relationships aren't a tit-for-tat, we each need the same number of letters after our name kind of thing.  Thank heavens.  A lot of people need to stop counting beans and value the things that really are moer valuable.


I don't disagree with you there RedMagic1... we have an attraction to people for various reasons, that is a given, and you are right, it has nothing to do with 'counting the beans', as you put it, however that's not the point.

Forget trying to apply it to yourself... apply it to others who say 'I want these characteristics in a sub/Dom/partner' when they have none of those characteristics themselves. 

The point is about having an *expectation* that a person requires or deserves someone with a certain number of beans when they have only one bean...

Why is that expectation valid?





Lockit -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 8:10:22 PM)

Actually, no one has said they require that and people have been assuming all over the place and then became insulting.




Leatherist -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 8:10:44 PM)

Becuase they have to play the superior angle to get thier paws on YOUR beans.




MissEnchanted -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 8:12:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Sorry, Ferns, but that's just whacked.  I'm a brainiac from hell, and none of the women I have loved most in my life have had a degree from a 4-year university.  I've also dated women with multiple degrees, and I've even dated a millionaire off this very site, but the #1 thing that attracts me is compassion and joy for life.  I already know plenty of people I can talk higher mathematics with.  I want more people in my life with an abiding love for others.

Also, please consider the following.  It is a cold, hard fact that a woman looking sexy and hot is not a good enough reason for me to ask her out.  Period.  Unless she's got it going on inside, I'm not interested.  And as a result, I've dated -- and had long-term relationships with -- models and women who could easily have been models.  Why?  Because they knew I wasn't interested in them because of their body.  I've also had a relationship with an "average-looking" woman who was beautiful to me.  But my point is that I got the thing that so many men consider so important (superficial hotness) precisely because it is not so important to me.

Relationships aren't a tit-for-tat, we each need the same number of letters after our name kind of thing.  Thank heavens.  A lot of people need to stop counting beans and value the things that really are more valuable.

Edited for typos.



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MissEnchanted -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 8:28:12 PM)

ok, valid points, but the generalities cannot stand on their own.

Lightscribe, I wasn't responding to you when I said what I said about generalities. Your name was the last post I clicked on...

I was referring to the earlier comments from a few disgruntled males who infer: The Fem Dommes here are fat, sloppy, no-talent ugly, have nothing to offer and want all the good beans present in their sub.

Of the real Dommes I know from this site, most are educated, literate, have raised families, have all kinds of interesting hobbies, do volunteer work, creative, etc.

As an aware adult I know to 'know myself' and to have goals of improvement in every area of my life. I also know I am a wonderful person (imo) and deserve a great set of subs (smirk).

I am getting tired of what is passing for 'discussion' here from angry and frustrated males lately. I understand being frustrated, but a lot of us have been around for a while and we enjoy positive discourse, sharing creative and fun ideas, blah blah.... Can we get back to more of that, pulease?

Get out there and meet some great people, have some fun.

Life is too short,
too fleeting to waste.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 8:38:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ferns
The point is about having an *expectation* that a person requires or deserves someone with a certain number of beans when they have only one bean...

Why is that expectation valid?

That expectation is foolish, but maybe for a reason different from the one you're pointing to.  It's like the guy in the midlife crisis who dumps the "old bag" and gets a skinny young thang who loves spending his money.  It is a very insecure woman who has as absolute requirements that he has to have graduated from an Ivy League School, he has to be known in his field, he has to be well read and well traveled, etc.  Such things are insigificant compared to loyalty, respect, honor, compassion.

And I've graduated from an Ivy League school, blah-de-fucking-blah.  I'm not a life support system for a fragile ego, any more than you are a life support system for a toybag.




rulemylife -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 8:48:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dari

Having written a few different responses to this, and deleted them all, I'll just say - I really like beta and omega males.  Alpha males are okay, but from a relationship perspective I don't tend to enjoy that dynamic as much, as anything other than friends.  No matter what the personality though, I prefer strong males, and won't get involved in a relationship with a weak one.



This is truly classic, and epitomizes what the OP is saying.  Also representative of probably 80% of domme profiles on this site.

You "really" like beta males and dislike alpha males but you prefer strong males and won't get involved with weak ones?

Am I the only one that finds that to be amusingly contradictory? 




rulemylife -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 9:24:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

I find it very interesting that those who are insulting and attacking are all new around here. lol 



What I find interesting is that you feel insulted and attacked but are seemingly blind to your attacks on them. 

Your comment even in this post is an attempt to belittle because they "are all new around here".




Lockit -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 9:28:26 PM)

Look... some of these people have been attacking all the time they have been here.  Look at their post and if you have a problem with that, I am sorry.  But fact is fact... they are new, came in attacking and that is the way it is.  If I point it out.. I am insulting.. big deal.. they have been a pain in the butt to a lot of us.  Now.. I will argue no further.




rulemylife -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 9:36:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

Look... some of these people have been attacking all the time they have been here.  Look at their post and if you have a problem with that, I am sorry.  But fact is fact... they are new, came in attacking and that is the way it is.  If I point it out.. I am insulting.. big deal.. they have been a pain in the butt to a lot of us.  Now.. I will argue no further.


It's always so heartwarming to see people like you so willing to accept others opinions and so welcoming to those who don't share yours.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 9:56:10 PM)

OMG, rule, haven't you been paying attention at all?  Don't you know how unattractive macho snottiness is?  I've taken some strong positions on this thread, and nobody's flaming me or accusing me of being insulting, even though I definitely laid into a couple posters.  I swear, getting a woman to agree to meet with you in real life is as simple as (1) not being creepy, and (2) not being totally full of yourself.  Because those two things set someone apart from 99% of the men on this site.

As MissEnchanted pointed out, it's possible to discuss in a mutually constructive fashion.  You, rule, should really take a look at the profiles of the people you're defending.  One describes himself as "arrogant," having "wasted years of his life"; the other says that his goal on this site is to start arguments.  So far, their posts in the Ask A Mistress forum are 100% consistent with their profile descriptions.




bottomboy81 -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 10:25:06 PM)

The bottom line is, if an opinion has anything to do with women being in the wrong, its a social offense. It's not allowed to be mentioned or thought about, thanks to political correct rules. A problem will never be solved if its not even allowed to be expressed or talked about. Thats why these same problems exist in year 2008.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Do any ladies prefer beta males? (8/1/2008 10:40:11 PM)

I just told Ferns, a domme, that she was wrong.  Twice, pretty much.  Nobody's calling me out for that.  I disagree with her statements, but I respect her.  Your attitude and behavior demonstrate disrespect of others.  That is why you get pushback and I don't.  That is also why I will be offline for the next four days, on an extended date with a woman I met on this site, who happens to be employed as a pro domme.  I'm not a sub, but I do bottom at times, as does she.  The problem you are encountering is not the fact that you are a bottom, but that you show little respect to others.




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