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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 10:14:44 PM   
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Oral sex is only liked when done well.  Somebody lashing a tongue down there with no clue is irritating and something one would avoid. lol

My bad, I was using my "house speak"... in my house, what you describe isn't considered oral sex.  LOL

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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 10:15:15 PM   
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.  I also believe that we need to do those things together, but I do realize that for a healthy relationship, each member needs to be their own person. 

On another note, when I explained how I wasn't perfect, I wasn't trying to turn it around on her, again.  I allowed myself to become this person.  It was a personal weakness, and my fault alone.  I should have stood up to it then, but I didn't, and now it's my fault that it has become that way. 

I have many more weaknesses, or imperfections, if you will, but in the small space and time that I was typing, that was one glaring one that bothers me all the time.


Don't forget that in order to have a healthy relationship, each partner must be mentally healthy themselves. Whether that means dealing with mental illnesses (not saying that's the case here), accepting one's own faults, or taking control of one's own life before giving it to another.

There is no 'good' way to find a kink-friendly counselor, but when you call to set up an appointment you may want to speak with the counselor before hand. I believe someone earlier said to ask the counselor about his/her personal experience with alternative sexual lifestyles (I apologize for not quoting who ever said this originially). It may take a couple sessions with someone for you to find out they aren't the right counselor for you, and most likely if you explain that to them they will refer you to some one else.

You say she's tried counseling before and it didn't work...ask her to try again. Some counselors are ineffective for some people, just like friends/bosses/doctors. Encourage her to try, perhaps if she sees improvement in you she will be willing to go to a session or two. Maybe rephrase and ask her if she would be willing to go with you to help you if she doesn't feel as though she/her relationships tactics are under attack she might be less abrasive to the idea.




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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 10:17:53 PM   
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…..Don't forget that in order to have a healthy relationship, each partner must be mentally healthy themselves.

What if they are equally unbalanced in a mutually complimentary sorta way?  I’m not saying that I am unbalanced of course.  Well… there is that band camp incident. 

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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 10:20:22 PM   
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Dude, you married an alien.  All human females like oral sex.


Um.... no.

eta:  Emp (good to see you, btw), the reason I suggested a KAP is because the OP keep emphasizing his desire for the marriage to include kink...

BUt I agree.. ANY counselor would be good, provided the counselor 'fits'


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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 10:22:03 PM   
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Dude, you married an alien.  All human females like oral sex.

GreedyTop:   Um.... no.



Theres a joke like this....the punch line is "I don't know...maybe she choked or something...

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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 10:22:39 PM   
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Dude, you married an alien.  All human females like oral sex.


I am not really fond of recieving oral sex from men, RS. of course, what I like and what I don't are an issue in my sex life only to the degree that Master choses to attend to such matters, but, that is my prefrence, for what little it might be worth.

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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 10:22:45 PM   
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Dude, you married an alien.  All human females like oral sex.

Um.... no.

You just haven't had your little coochy in the the Resident Mouth-O-Love.  That’s why you say that now.  One day baby, one day. 


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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 10:23:40 PM   
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LMAO, RS!!!!

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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 10:23:50 PM   
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Dude, you married an alien.  All human females like oral sex.

Um.... no.


But they do in porn!

But then again, all the alien females in porn enjoy oral sex too...


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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 10:36:49 PM   
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Taking from both Cali and Stella's posts....
DO something. Get your butt into counseling (with or without her), TALK to her without getting defensive, work on unfucking yourself... do something.

I honestly see this relationship as a train wreck, and that is coming from someone who openly admits to having made some of the same mistakes you did (leaping before looking, lack of communication) in regards to marriage with someone who turned out to be incompatible... for me, it ended badly after far too long. FYI, she probably isn't any happier than you are with the situation, and laying it all on the table now will save you both quite a bit of misery in the end. JMHO.

[Edit] - Holy Crap! Look where the thread went while I was posting!!! LMAO!!!


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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 10:36:57 PM   
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Dude, you married an alien.  All human females like oral sex.

Um.... no.

But they do in porn!
But then again, all the alien females in porn enjoy oral sex too...

Alien porn.. like a green card and camera?  LOL

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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 10:57:22 PM   
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LOL. Well, just like misery...crazy does love company.

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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 10:57:50 PM   
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She's already got a lawyer and judge (man hating Uber-feminists btw) lined up for the divorce to take everything, the bank accounts, the $50K SUV she 'must' have, the house, and even the dog, all before the wedding.  She alienates you from your friends.  Then she tries to burn the house down for the fire insurance.

Ummm... this isn't misogyny... how? Sorry, Wulf, but please re-read the above and see it any other way.

BTW, I wasn't the one with a lawyer when my marriage went *boom*, he was. 

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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 11:32:46 PM   
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^  dude, just grab some lube, get in the other room and go for it.  My girl was on a different schedule than me but she'd wake up when I went to bed and fuck me 5 times a week and then go back to sleep.  I was nice though, because she was asleep, I’d lick her awake until she’d cum.  Then we fucked and dozed right back off to sleep with a smile on her face.


If only it were so easy.  Last time I tried that, I was told, "Leave me the fuck alone, I'm trying to sleep."  Fuck, the last time I attempted to lick her, I was almost crushed by her knees.  She does not enjoy receiving oral sex

Guys, understand.  True story: One night I asked her if she wanted to "just make out, no sex involved."  She actually told me, with a straight face, that she was watching something on TV.  THIS WAS DURING A COMMERCIAL!!!  I understood she was watching a tv show, I wanted to make out while a commercial was on.  No joy there either.  Sex is just not in her top 10 list of things to do per day. 

Dude, you married an alien.  All human females like oral sex.


100% woman here..and i happen to not enjoy recieving oral either.

and nope.. im not an alien either..

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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/23/2008 11:35:55 PM   
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Hi eric,

you got married to her. It is hard for me to believe that there wasn't any feelings involved. :) Think about all the stuff you have been through - an affair, one break-up and one divorce. That is a lot to happen in a short time-period. The way you wrote about the roses and dinner made me feel like you had some agenda behind them. It felt as if you were expecting a certain result from those gestures. Personally for me that could feel a little bit pushy. i don't know her, but it could be that to her you are still pushing her too hard and she is defending herself by shutting down completely.

i would suggest couceling too - for you. You are both responsible for this relationship. If she is not ready to work for it, you can still start doing your share of work. This is not about her, it is ultimately about you - what do you want most in this life.If it is her, then work for it.

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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/24/2008 4:29:28 AM   
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I should explain one thing.  I am only submissive in the bedroom.  If that does not make me a "true" submissive in people's eyes, so be it.  Outside of the bedroom, I believe in having my own time, space, job, friends, hobbies, etc.   



Earlier on you said:

"I allowed that to happen.  Worse, I embraced it, because I felt like I didn't have to do anything around the house.  Then, I guess she had enough." 

She cooks, cleans and does your laundry for you.

But you're submissive?

But only submissive in the bedroom?

Where your wife doesn't want to spend any time?

I guess your 'Mistress' is tired of being your 'Mommy' and unless that's a particular kink of hers, is unlikely to make her want to fuck you anytime soon. 


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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/24/2008 5:06:36 AM   
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Ummm no, they dont. 
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Dude, you married an alien.  All human females like oral sex.

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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/24/2008 5:25:40 AM   
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Earlier on you said: "I allowed that to happen.  Worse, I embraced it, because I felt like I didn't have to do anything around the house.  Then, I guess she had enough."  She cooks, cleans and does your laundry for you. But you're submissive? But only submissive in the bedroom? Where your wife doesn't want to spend any time? I guess your 'Mistress' is tired of being your 'Mommy' and unless that's a particular kink of hers, is unlikely to make her want to fuck you anytime soon. 


Thank you, Champagne.
Since the OP is only sub in the BR (reminds me greatly of women who say, 'I am not a service submissive'), I guess I should point out the facts of vanilla life to you.

Most vanilla women feel that housework is an anti-aphrodiasac. The more housework they do, the less they want sex. The less help they get, the less they want sex. They feel unappreicated. Sex becomes a chore - and, while RS and I just agreed that one does chores when one is married, there comes a point when a vanilla woman says, 'yep, i do chores. plenty of them. enough of them, already, in fact; i don't need another one.'
Maybe the way to get laid would be to - gasp - clean the kitchen?
And, while we are on the topic - how is your personal hygene? that is another big turn off for many married women - some vanilla men get married, and it's like all the old jokes about women who get married and think they can start gaining weight - there are men who get married and think that means they can quit taking a shower. Do you shave before you climb into bed at night? ect?

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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/24/2008 5:58:23 AM   
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I strongly suspect that it has a lot to do with the way in which you suggest sex - apparently, all the time. I don't blame you.
I suggest sex a lot, too. It might be down to about 15 times a day, now that my time with Master on work days is limited to an hour in the morning, (when we are already having sex) and 2 or 3 hours at night (when, usually... oh, never mind).

But, I am going to get bashed for this, but - read John Grey.
If you are hyper focused on sex, my advice isn't going to work, because you are going to change it subtly and fuck it up badly.
Be swwet, romantic, and - after a while of that, even gently and playfully physical together, without it being about sex. I suspect that the fact that everything you do and everything you say is focused on your acheiving your goals and getting your rocks off in your way is making her not want it at all. It's like making me eat all of my food covered with chocolate - I like chocolate alot, but, i'm going to get sick of chocolate.
She opened up to you and talked to you about finding a woman sexy. instead of just cuddling up and enjoying the moment with her, you jumped in - here's an open door! let's talk about me getting what I want!
and from your writing, it sounds like that happens a lot. can you just kiss her in the morning without it leading to talking about sexy? spoon her at night without trying to have sex?
Why does her liking different sensations than you make her cold? She does not like the feel of your cock being artificially vibrated. You do. So, in your mind, your 'right', and she is unsexual.
Sounds like she was sexual enough before you met her.
If I told you 'focus on her needs for a while', you'd say, 'I have. I want to know what SHE LIKES (you mean, what kind of sex...) what she needs ( what kind of sex)...'
John Grey says, one difference between men and women is, for men, sex happens in the bedroom. For women, sex is everything, everywhere.
It's the pat on the ass in the kitchen. It's the flowers you bring her. It's holding hands, talking over dinner.
(before I get attacked, yes, John Grey over generalizes. In particular, lifestyle people seem much less likely to focus on 'the act' as sex. But there are some truths in the generalities)
When was the last time you took her out for a cozy dinner, sat talking over candlelight, holding hands - and never mentioned sex? had no advance motive to get in her pants?
I suspect it has been so long that you will now have to do it repeatedly to gain back her trust.
She doesn't want to have sex with you because 'that's all you think about'. IOW, you make her feel like sex is the only reason you care about her.
Run her a bubble bath, light some candles, pour some wine and put a book by the bathtub, when she comes home tired from work. Then - leave the fucking bathroom. Go play Doom. Let her relax.
Watch a movie and snuggle, without looking for an opening in the movie to bring up 'the talk' again.
Serriously. It's not sex that is the problem. It is that you have made her feel like that is all she is to you. Get sex out of the equation until you win her trust back.
And go to councelling. What CC said.


As has been said before, this bears repeating. 

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RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me - 9/24/2008 8:41:44 AM   
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You don't know how to tell her you're unhappy?  Remember way back (however many pages) when I said you needed some lessons in communication?  Well, you keep making my point for me.  You don't know how to communicate.  PERIOD.  You don't KNOW.

One "for instance".  When my (now ex) husband moved in with me, one day he was folding towels.  I indicated in some way (can't remember exactly what I said) that he was doing it "wrong."  He got all pissed off and walked away.  In your world, that would have been the end of it, right?  As you've indicated in your previous posts.  In my world, I followed him, took his hand, apologized for snapping at him or whatever, and explained that the towels had to be folded a certain way or they wouldn't fit in the tiny linen closet.  There was no "right" or "wrong" way to fold towels, just a way that worked in the apartment we lived in.

So when she told you that you were doing stuff "wrong", you just accepted that you couldn't please her or do it the "right" way and left it at that. 

And my ex husband?  I see a lot of him in you.  A LOT.  He thought that bringing me flowers would get him laid.  No.  Me not having to be his mommy would get him laid, but that was too much work for him.  Even our marriage counselor told him that.  But he didn't listen or care.

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